HOW would you have PLAYED QQ on the button ?

[daneblazer]

Shove. The pot is nice and you almost certainly have the best hand on the table right now. If the initial raiser has KK or AA oh well. He could also have several other holdings in his range and unless someone is playing the same two holdings in an odd way you have everyone else at the table beat. Depending on stack sizes raising gives the others on the table better odds and set value with every additional caller. Shove an make them pay to their their over card or set.

[hoobiwan]

I want to play this guy heads up.

You're welcome.
you have no idea what u'll miss

[mrmarket]

2-3 NL game full table LIVE

Left of the BB raises to 12 (standard raise where I play). Everyone left of him calls.

I'm the dealer and I have QdQs. I have 240.00

So, how would you play it?

It the table 9 or 10 handed? The answer differs slightly with more information.

Anyway
UTG Raises to 12
UTG+1 calls 12
MP1 calls 12
MP2 calls 12
Cutoff calls 12
Hijack Calls 12
Hero ?
SB 2
BB 3

Pot = 77

Your stack = 80 BB

Calling is just really bad
If you raise it 2.5 x pot = 192 you're pot committed to any flop anyway
Shove = Pick up dead money in pot by folding out other players and most likely end up HU vs. a shortie (they will not only call with AA,KK. JJ-AKs,AKo,AQs,AQo,TT are still in their range) Deeper stacks will not stack off deep with bottom end of range and will fold all but best. If they end up with top of range so be it.

Raising and then folding to 4 bet is just terrible as well barring some sick hero read on UTG but even then the fold is bad. All the money is going in it just depends on what street. Push your preflop equity edge vs their ranges.

Results of the pot are irrelevant.

[Skidcom]

You played it well and gave yourself another chance. Good fold BTW some would have stuck around

[Sam Odom]

"If an ALL IN came pre flop over my 100.00 I would have considered folding strongly"

this would be absolutely terrible

Depends on who goes all-in on me. Also, I have a rep too at this Card Room. If the right person pushes all-in over my 100.00 I'm fairly sure they have AA, KK or AK

[Congruency]

if the 4 bet shove came from the original raiser, its not a bad fold, depending on the player

[pitman]

I would have called the 12 and saw a flop with the intentions of folding if an ace or a king came up without a queen unless it got checked around I would have tried to bluff the ace,if someone called Id check to river or fold any bet unless made trips or 4 card straight.

[Congruency]

I would have called the 12 and saw a flop with the intentions of folding if an ace or a king came up without a queen unless it got checked around I would have tried to bluff the ace,if someone called Id check to river or fold any bet unless made trips or 4 card straight.

lol what if the flop comes 9 5 2...there could be someone out there with 99, 55, or 22 (or god forbid, 95) if the pot is multiway

i see the argument for shoving but i still think a raise to 70 is best

[pitman]

it was already 4 times BB raise, If everyone just limped in then I'd make the 4X BB raise.
I dont call 4XBB raise with 99,55,or 22.
I'm guessing AQ made the intial 4X BB raise..??? I see A or K on flops way to often in these type of hands.
Laugh if you want but thats how Id play it and it works for me. Solid tournment stats to back that up.
Although I am just a tournament player with little cash game experience.
Thats just my style of play.I like made hands. minimize loss , maximize gain.

[Congruency]

you dont call 4x BB raises with those hands? yeah, stick to tournaments

whats your pokerstars/full tilt online name?

[lolottumwa]

after reading this thread, i want to get an SBR poker game going... as soon as possible

lol at limping the button

[OmgUrMom]

"If an ALL IN came pre flop over my 100.00 I would have considered folding strongly"




Depends on who goes all-in on me. Also, I have a rep too at this Card Room. If the right person pushes all-in over my 100.00 I'm fairly sure they have AA, KK or AK

hilarious you just proved my point

Against a range of AA, KK and AK, you should call after your raise of $100. I don't want to pokerstove it right now, but I think you will have around 40% equity vs that range.

12x7=84 (7 players in for $12), then your $100 and guy who is shovings $240, we will assume all others fold. so pot is 84+100+240= $424 and you have $140 left to call. You need 25% equity to make this call and you have 40%, so as you can see that would be a HUGE HUGE MISTAKE to fold, like i already told you.

Even if you think it's likely he only would make this move with AA and KK, and not ANY other hand, you would still have to call. You will never have less than 20% equity and as I pointed out you only need 25% to call.

[poker_dummy101]

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Calling is just really bad
If you raise it 2.5 x pot = 192 you're pot committed to any flop anyway
Shove = Pick up dead money in pot by folding out other players and most likely end up HU vs. a shortie (they will not only call with AA,KK. JJ-AKs,AKo,AQs,AQo,TT are still in their range) Deeper stacks will not stack off deep with bottom end of range and will fold all but best. If they end up with top of range so be it.

Raising and then folding to 4 bet is just terrible as well barring some sick hero read on UTG but even then the fold is bad. All the money is going in it just depends on what street. Push your preflop equity edge vs their ranges.

Results of the pot are irrelevant.

Exactly. but thats why i rated calling ahead of raising in my first post.

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Gonna 3bet and then play passively on an a or k flop when most of your stack is in? And/or play passively (i.e fold) if he 4 bets preflop? If you are doing that then the set value of queens played in position is more worthwhile imo

[pitman]

Came second in one of the SBR marchmadness poker tourneys at bodog. Guess its cuz I play bad....
I play differently then most for a reason. If everyone played the same then it would be way too predictable

[OmgUrMom]

Came second in one of the SBR marchmadness poker tourneys at bodog. Guess its cuz I play bad....
I play differently then most for a reason. If everyone played the same then it would be way too predictable

oh boy you finished 2nd in a freeroll, call the press!
If you ALWAYS fold 99 to a 4xbb raise(once in awhile you might find a fold, but not very often), I can tell you right now you are a bad player and have no clue what you are doing, and thats a fact, jack.

[pitman]

thanks man
under the gun yes, with 4 players in the pot yes.heads up i call

[pitman]

[OmgUrMom]

yea you can beat micros playing an uber nit style.

Why would you not be calling with 4 other people in the pot? You have good set-mining odds at the very least.

[pitman]

you are not worth my time. sorry

[OmgUrMom]

you are a fish

[pitman]

you are a true champ

[jlgarciaiii22]

100.00 and all in after the flop...

[OmgUrMom]

I'll take mine over yours....

Game * Prizes Profit ROI ABI AFS R/A ITM ITM Hold'em NL $13,294 $9,097 217% $7.22 963 14% 94/581 16%

[yahoonino]

you wont get away from that hand.
raise to 90 or 100 and push on the flop

i agree

[OmgUrMom]

That was hard to read, but $13,349 dollars in prizes, 9,057 profit, 211% roi, $7.15 avg buy-in, 16% in the money %.

Highlights were winning a $55 dollar buy-in, (1st of 1,035) for $9,398 and also winning a $3 buy-in (1st of 2223) for $967.

Not super impressive or anything, just showing dumbass (pitman) that I am better than him at the only game he can play (tourney poker).

Don't play much on-line anymore, I enjoy live games more plus the competition is much softer.

[keyboarding]

If he raises to $100, he will get one called, the AQ. Very unlikely the suited cards will call. When the ace flops, why are people still insisting you push? Your opponent has hit the one card he was looking for and will call your all in.

[pitman]

I'll take mine over yours.... Game * Prizes Profit ROI ABI AFS R/A ITM ITM Hold'em NL $13,294 $9,097 217% $7.22 963 14% 94/581 16%

you can tell I'm I bad player?...
and I can tell you are a bum
Looks like you have a real nice job at a retailer making 9$/hr.
I'll take mine over yours anyday

[poker_dummy101]

yea you can beat micros playing an uber nit style.

Why would you not be calling with 4 other people in the pot? You have good set-mining odds at the very least.

[OmgUrMom]

you can tell I'm I bad player?...
and I can tell you are a bum
Looks like you have a real nice job at a retailer making 9$/hr.
I'll take mine over yours anyday

my job has what to do with this poker discussion?

Lol, at least you know your beat, so you try and change the subject, too funny

[pitman]

you have been negative and comment on my style of play like a dik.
to each their own. no need for that negative shit. you fuk with me ill fuk with you.
fuk you. go blow some more on BJ and get back to your GA meetings.

[Sam Odom]

hilarious you just proved my point

[Sam Odom]

When the ace flops, why are people still insisting you push? Your opponent has hit the one card he was looking for and will call your all in.

Because this is the internet and they can say anything

Besides, 3 clubs on the flop and I dont have one.

[ND25]

Push, pots already big enough. If UTG has AA or KK oh well.

[keyboarding]

Because this is the internet and they can say anything

Besides, 3 clubs on the flop and I dont have one.

3 clubs? I thought you said the ace held up? But one guy had a suited hand, so didn't he flop a flush? Or did the Ac hit?

[Sam Odom]

3 clubs? I thought you said the ace held up? But one guy had a suited hand, so didn't he flop a flush? Or did the Ac hit?

From post 17


The 1st guy to my left had Xh Xc

The next guy had Ad Qh

The flop came Ac Jc 6c