[astro61200]

***** Hand history (v1.2) *****
Hand ID 5221155
$0 + $6 Texas Hold'em (No Limit) -
20:22:00 31/07/2015 ET
Table 'Table 62446', 10 seats max,
Real money
Seat 6 is the button. Small Blind $400, Big Blind $800
Note: seat IDs range from 1 to 10
Seat 1 (playing) : cankid, amount $3260, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 2 (playing) : bracerman, amount $3880, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 3 (playing) : gauchojake, amount $5190, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 4 (playing) : spurginobili1, amount $6559, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 5 (playing) : ShogunRua, amount $12810, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 6 (playing) : no1here, amount $5160, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 7 (playing) : zjohnzzz, amount $4138, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 8 (playing) : qwertvt, amount $7125, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 9 (playing) : hhsilver, amount $4713, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 10 (playing) : astro61200, amount $4165, amount bet $0, penalty (None)zjohnzzz: Small Blind ($400)qwertvt: Big Blind ($800)**
Dealing Down Cards **Dealt to astro61200: [Qd, Qh]
hhsilver: Fold
astro61200: Raise [btn] ($2400)
cankid: Raise ($3210)
bracerman: Fold
gauchojake: Fold
spurginobili1: Fold
ShogunRua: Fold
no1here: Fold
zjohnzzz: Raise ($4088)
qwertvt: Fold
astro61200: Call [btn] ($1688)
cankid: Show Cards ($0)
zjohnzzz: Show Cards ($0)
astro61200: Show Cards ($0)
** Dealing Flop **
Community cards: [Th, 2s, 6s]
** Dealing Turn **
Community cards: [Kd]
** Dealing River **
Community cards: [8c]
** End Round **
** Evaluate **
zjohnzzz: Show Cards ($0)
astro61200: Show Cards ($0)
cankid: Show Cards ($0)
** Showdown **
Main pot $10930, Rake $0
Side pot #1 $1756, Rake $0
Summary cankid: bet $3210, won $0, net $-3210, HoleCards [Qc, Qd]
Summary zjohnzzz: bet $4488, won $12686, net $8198, HoleCards [Ks, Kh], HiHand [three of a kind, kings] [Ks, Kh, Kd, Th, 8c], won $10930 from main pot, won $1756 from side pot #1
Summary astro61200: bet $4088, won $0, net $-4088, HoleCards [Qd, Qh]



What are the odds of KK vs QQ vs QQ?

[downsouth]

***** Hand history (v1.2) *****
Hand ID 5221155
$0 + $6 Texas Hold'em (No Limit) -
20:22:00 31/07/2015 ET
Table 'Table 62446', 10 seats max,
Real money
Seat 6 is the button. Small Blind $400, Big Blind $800
Note: seat IDs range from 1 to 10
Seat 1 (playing) : cankid, amount $3260, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 2 (playing) : bracerman, amount $3880, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 3 (playing) : gauchojake, amount $5190, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 4 (playing) : spurginobili1, amount $6559, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 5 (playing) : ShogunRua, amount $12810, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 6 (playing) : no1here, amount $5160, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 7 (playing) : zjohnzzz, amount $4138, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 8 (playing) : qwertvt, amount $7125, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 9 (playing) : hhsilver, amount $4713, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 10 (playing) : astro61200, amount $4165, amount bet $0, penalty (None)zjohnzzz: Small Blind ($400)qwertvt: Big Blind ($800)**
Dealing Down Cards **Dealt to astro61200: [Qd, Qh]
hhsilver: Fold
astro61200: Raise [btn] ($2400)
cankid: Raise ($3210)
bracerman: Fold
gauchojake: Fold
spurginobili1: Fold
ShogunRua: Fold
no1here: Fold
zjohnzzz: Raise ($4088)
qwertvt: Fold
astro61200: Call [btn] ($1688)
cankid: Show Cards ($0)
zjohnzzz: Show Cards ($0)
astro61200: Show Cards ($0)
** Dealing Flop **
Community cards: [Th, 2s, 6s]
** Dealing Turn **
Community cards: [Kd]
** Dealing River **
Community cards: [8c]
** End Round **
** Evaluate **
zjohnzzz: Show Cards ($0)
astro61200: Show Cards ($0)
cankid: Show Cards ($0)
** Showdown **
Main pot $10930, Rake $0
Side pot #1 $1756, Rake $0
Summary cankid: bet $3210, won $0, net $-3210, HoleCards [Qc, Qd]
Summary zjohnzzz: bet $4488, won $12686, net $8198, HoleCards [Ks, Kh], HiHand [three of a kind, kings] [Ks, Kh, Kd, Th, 8c], won $10930 from main pot, won $1756 from side pot #1
Summary astro61200: bet $4088, won $0, net $-4088, HoleCards [Qd, Qh]



What are the odds of KK vs QQ vs QQ?

I am slightly more worried that there may be two Queen of diamonds in the deck.

[astro61200]

I am slightly more worried that there may be two Queen of diamonds in the deck.

Queen of spades.. it doesn't show the losers cards, for some reason, so had to fill it in myself. If I had the Qd and Qh then cankid had Qs and Qc. Just a typo.

Though, since I wasn't surprised to see this hand, I wouldn't be surprised to see 2 queen of diamonds either.

Does anyone know the odds of QQ vs QQ vs KK? Need to know if I should go buy a Powerball ticket.

[BigDaddy]

your in real bad shape.

about a 32-1 dog to win/split

[downsouth]

I played a live hand years ago with two players Having AA, One having KK, one having QQ and one having JJ

[boscokid]

Whats the point of holding back $1688 if you playing as if you are pot committed?

Also, when zjohnzzz re-raises you can safely assume its AA or KK.
Are you sure you had the odds to call with another player all in for the main pot?

Its tough to tell who the hell sat where with your hand history :
zjohnzzz: Small Blind ($400)qwertvt: Big Blind ($800)**

astro61200: Raise [btn] ($2400)
cankid: Raise ($3210)

Cankid gets a kick in the nuts for acting out of turn I guess

[astro61200]

Whats the point of holding back $1688 if you playing as if you are pot committed?

Also, when zjohnzzz re-raises you can safely assume its AA or KK.
Are you sure you had the odds to call with another player all in for the main pot?

Its tough to tell who the hell sat where with your hand history :
zjohnzzz: Small Blind ($400)qwertvt: Big Blind ($800)**

astro61200: Raise [btn] ($2400)
cankid: Raise ($3210)

Cankid gets a kick in the nuts for acting out of turn I guess

I can safely assume that a 2nd all-in, when only a handful of people have more than 5 big blinds left and blinds increasing again soon, is AA or KK?

Wow, with that outlook I'm pretty sure I'd be blinded away at any of the dailies final tables.

[astro61200]

your in real bad shape.

about a 32-1 dog to win/split

I know how bad of shape I was in, that isn't hard to figure out. Was looking for the probability of 2 people being dealt all 4 queens and then someone else getting a pp higher than them.

[SharpAngles]

There's 10 starting hands here so its not as odd as you'd think. Remember, at a full table you're about 5% to run into AA when dealt KK.

Odds of being dealt any pocket pair is about 220/1 or .04% so 3 specific hands occuring should be around 1.2%. So 1 time out off 100 being dealt a certain pair you'll be one of the suckers with no set outs against an over pair

[yisman]

There's 10 starting hands here so its not as odd as you'd think. Remember, at a full table you're about 5% to run into AA when dealt KK.

Odds of being dealt any pocket pair is about 220/1 or .04% so 3 specific hands occuring should be around 1.2%.

1.2%? Can you explain?

[astro61200]

There's 10 starting hands here so its not as odd as you'd think. Remember, at a full table you're about 5% to run into AA when dealt KK.

Odds of being dealt any pocket pair is about 220/1 or .04% so 3 specific hands occuring should be around 1.2%. So 1 time out off 100 being dealt a certain pair you'll be one of the suckers with no set outs against an over pair

The odds I found for AA vs KK vs QQ was around 74000/1

"The first hand would be (12/52*3/51)=1.4% (any of AA, KK or QQ), then (8/50*3/49)=0.98%, and then finally (4/48*3/47)=0.53%, so then timed together and multiplied by the permutations would give slightly better odds than that of about 74000/1, which is still unlikely, since you'd then expect to see it on average once in over 10,000 hours of play."

http://www.cardschat.com/f13/aa-vers...rsus-qq-67897/

Post #3

However, QQ vs QQ vs KK would be harder as in the AA vs KK vs QQ example there are 4 of each card, with the double pp queens there are only 2 cards left after the first QQ

I only have my computer calculator, which can't go so indepth, but I would think it would be

(8/52*3/51) = 0.0090497737556561
KKKK QQQQ

(4/50*3/49) = 0.0048979591836735
QQQQ

(2/48*1/47) = 0.00088652482
QQ

Then multiply all 3 of them together.. this seems right as the first would be the the probability of receiving either KK or QQ, so 0.91%.. The next would be the the chances of receiving QQ with 2 cards removed to make up the first pp (normally is 0.45% but with 2 cards gone it increases to 0.49%) then the third would be the chances of receiving QQ with only 2 queens left (and 4 cards gone in total), so comes out to 0.088%

Then multiply all 3 together to come out with the chances of any 2 pp's shared and a 3rd pp. That's any random 3rd pp. To figure out the chances of 2 pocket Queens and an over pair you'd need to do (4/52*3/51)(2/50*1/49)(8/48*3/47).. To find out the chances of it being specifically kings it would be (4/52*3/51)(2/50*1/49)(4/48*3/47)

[astro61200]

On another note, I need to stop playing pocket pairs.. here are the hands I've busted with in the past week plus of tournies


Date - Hand (# of people in hand, probability of a preflop over pair)
8/4 QQ vs KK (8handed, 7.6%)
8/3 AK vs QQ
8/2 77 vs KK (10, 27.2%)
8/1 JJ vs QQ (9, 12.9%)
7/31 QQ vs QQ vs KK (10, 9.6%(chances of higher pp than QQ))
7/28 AQ vs TT
7/27 TT vs KK (10, 19.1%)

This is why I say I'm unlucky on here. Folding the PP's are an option, but not as much of an option due to the quickly increasing blinds of a turbo. So disregarding if I should have played the PP or not (I'm not listing each hand history or looking through every one to see my amount of chips compared to the blinds) I feel like the fact I'm constantly busting out to a higher PP is equally as bad as people busting out with AK vs Ax and the x hitting, or so on.

[SharpAngles]

1.2%? Can you explain?

It was a rough estimate based on 3 pairs being dealt, ex AA v KK v QQ, in a single hand but I failed to consider that 2 of a rank have been dealt already so Astros math is probably right. Rare, but it happens if you play enough hands and most tend to forget when they've got the AA, or not even see the cooler if it's a cash game.

[SharpAngles]

On another note, I need to stop playing pocket pairs.. here are the hands I've busted with in the past week plus of tournies


Date - Hand (# of people in hand, probability of a preflop over pair)
8/4 QQ vs KK (8handed, 7.6%)
8/3 AK vs QQ
8/2 77 vs KK (10, 27.2%)
8/1 JJ vs QQ (9, 12.9%)
7/31 QQ vs QQ vs KK (10, 9.6%(chances of higher pp than QQ))
7/28 AQ vs TT
7/27 TT vs KK (10, 19.1%)

This is why I say I'm unlucky on here. Folding the PP's are an option, but not as much of an option due to the quickly increasing blinds of a turbo. So disregarding if I should have played the PP or not (I'm not listing each hand history or looking through every one to see my amount of chips compared to the blinds) I feel like the fact I'm constantly busting out to a higher PP is equally as bad as people busting out with AK vs Ax and the x hitting, or so on.

That's just running bad in some donkaments. Next week you're probably the one with the bigger pair.

And as for the last sentence, no not really because they had more equity when the money went in. You were dominated drawing to 2 outs or a miracle board

[astro61200]

That's just running bad in some donkaments. Next week you're probably the one with the bigger pair.

And as for the last sentence, no not really because they had more equity when the money went in. You were dominated drawing to 2 outs or a miracle board

Most of the odds of a higher PP showing up are about as proportionate to the odds of me winning with the lower PP.. So next week I fully expect to get the higher PP but lose to the lower.

Just annoying this has been going on for 2 weeks, right before the WC qualifiers end. Unfortunately, I'm from the US so the longer it goes on the further I drop. I don't get a free walk into the thing like others do for living somewhere else.