Should SBR Reduce Rollover??

[Optional]

What I want to ask you Opti, is do you think (many) people are really interested in playing poker on here if they AREN'T

trying to roll over points? I don't.


[...]

And while you are at it, please tell me WHY SBR would want more people playing poker all the time on here?

Why does it matter to SBR? Why do they want more people playing poker on here?

1) totally understandable about only/mostly playing to roll over poker points. That's why I am thinking we need more poker points and more people with them in the system.

2) Poker is like promotion and advertizing for SBR. If it keeps bringing people to the site, and keeps them engaged, and drives other site activity from the points, then the costs seem worth continuing to spend. That's all. Maybe I am missing your point though, as it seems strange to even ask the question really.

[Triple_D_Bet]

You haven't been around as much as you used to be.

I've learned not to argue or I'll just get more words than I really want to read back in return, saying the same thing as last time I read them.

But Joe is ok. Just likes to make his point, a lot, and at length.



That's not a bad idea as an alternative if it can be done.

Meh, these guys are the same as they were months ago....I've just never been good at just ignoring incoherent rants; I keep wasting my time reading them in their entirety, expecting them to eventually make sense

On a serious note Joe, your OCD mental illness is covered by most insurance companies.

So please seek immediate treatment for your Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. The SBR poker community thanks you in advance, as your repetitive posts are unbearable to read.

You've had some impressive posts for sure, but Joe takes it to an entirely different level

2) Poker is like promotion and advertizing for SBR. If it keeps bringing people to the site, and keeps them engaged, and drives other site activity from the points, then the costs seem worth continuing to spend. That's all. Maybe I am missing your point though, as it seems strange to even ask the question really.

[bobbywaves]

LOL Damn Waves, you yourself even admit that you TRY to intentionally be rude & childish to other fellow Pro's and you don't care that almost everybody on here hates you for running your mouth and being a rude & childish instigator!

You're insecure, lack real friends & rely on cyber friends. I'm secure, have real friends & don't rely on cyber friends.

So why bash me for my post

you sure wouldn't reply to the person (ME) who didn't start it

Joe, why are you interpreting my constructive criticism as bashing? I want you to be aware of OCD problem & seek professional help for it. Then you can become a better poker forum contributor, by posting in a concise non repetitive nature.

For the record, you started by calling me out 4 times in post #66. I simply finished.

speak for YOURSELF and YOURSELF ONLY!
know that you don't speak for "The SBR poker community!"
then you'd know that you don't speak for others

And like you would ever be able speak for the "SBR Poker community"
Don't speak for the "SBR poker community"

I don't speak for just myself:

Joe takes it to an entirely different level

I can assure you the majority of poker forum would agree. Whoever disagrees with your OCD is illiterate, as your long winded repetitive posts are more than enough evidence.

When you stated I was more hated than you, I simply created a poll & proved you wrong. We can go that route again if you wish to continue.

A red bump on my ass has more intelligence

While you're getting the OCD checked out, have the doc treat your ass acne as well. You're a mess, it's time to get cleaned up.

Considering you believe your ass acne has intelligence, I'm confident doc will immediately check you into insane asylum to receive the help you desperately need. Good luck Joe.

[cincinnatikid513]

somebody come play 1-2

[JoeCool20]

Yeah playing poker is better than reading childish name calling and mouth running! I'm sorry to anyone who reads

this that I got "suckered" EVEN ONCE back into the dumb-ass back and forth "Waves" childish crap!!!

But I just scrolled up and Waves has CERTAINLY replied with his usual

5 different replies up under 5 different snippets of my post! LOL I'm not even going to read it!

If I just don't read it, then I know I won't get "goaded" or "baited" into replying to the dumb shit!

Back and forth horse-shit childish name-calling is not what I am on this site for!!

[JoeCool20]

1) totally understandable about only/mostly playing to roll over poker points. That's why I am thinking we need more poker points and more people with them in the system.

2) Poker is like promotion and advertizing for SBR. If it keeps bringing people to the site, and keeps them engaged, and drives other site activity from the points, then the costs seem worth continuing to spend. That's all. Maybe I am missing your point though, as it seems strange to even ask the question really.

Hey you didn't "miss my point" at all! Actually you answered the question!!! T.Y.

Quite frankly, I didn't even know why their was a "rollover" AT ALL of poker points that pros had won in tournaments!

I didn't understand why SBR wanted to "force" the pros to sit on here for hours and play poker when the ONLY reason

they were playing was because they HAD to try and roll their points! Instead of SBR just giving them the points after

they placed wherever in the tourney! Maybe I still don't know the answer to that!

SOMEBODY is going to get the points in the end anyway!

So why does SBR make/force the pros to sit at the tables for 2 hours trying to complete rollovers when SOMEBODY

is going to end up with those points anyway?

Because obviously there is a reason that SBR "wishes" that the Poker tables were full of players all the time!

I guess it is safe to say that I still don't know why SBR cares whether nobody is playing poker or all the tables are full?

What difference does it make? This isn't a "real money" site where they are making money off the rake! It's points!!

[Optional]

That's true that most of the points are going to end up in someones hands, minus the rake. That's the cost of the program.

I guess the thinking is, well my thinking is, that more daily activity will attract more people to join in, more people to join the pro program and more people to join the site just to play.

If SBR just wanted to just give out the points as the promotion point, I'd think the current 12000 weekly poker points from the daily tournies might be able to be used to greater effect than what poker currently gives.

That's over $25,000/yr in Bitcoin at the store btw. Just for the dailies points as they are now.

Add in weekend tournies, 3 or 4 finals series promos and staff time, and it's probably well over double that number in final costs.

[Triple_D_Bet]

Hey you didn't "miss my point" at all! Actually you answered the question!!! T.Y.

Quite frankly, I didn't even know why their was a "rollover" AT ALL of poker points that pros had won in tournaments!

I didn't understand why SBR wanted to "force" the pros to sit on here for hours and play poker when the ONLY reason

they were playing was because they HAD to try and roll their points! Instead of SBR just giving them the points after

they placed wherever in the tourney! Maybe I still don't know the answer to that!

SOMEBODY is going to get the points in the end anyway!

So why does SBR make/force the pros to sit at the tables for 2 hours trying to complete rollovers when SOMEBODY

is going to end up with those points anyway?

Because obviously there is a reason that SBR "wishes" that the Poker tables were full of players all the time!

I guess it is safe to say that I still don't know why SBR cares whether nobody is playing poker or all the tables are full?

What difference does it make? This isn't a "real money" site where they are making money off the rake! It's points!!

At the risk of being "childish" (by pointing out things that are true even if they don't make you look good), Opti's answer had been said before in this thread, and the answers to the rest of the things you still don't know are in this thread too, just waiting for you to read them. You've actually quoted some of it in your replies

[Triple_D_Bet]

That's true that most of the points are going to end up in someones hands, minus the rake. That's the cost of the program.

I guess the thinking is, well my thinking is, that more daily activity will attract more people to join in, more people to join the pro program and more people to join the site just to play.

If SBR just wanted to just give out the points as the promotion point, I'd think the current 12000 weekly poker points from the daily tournies might be able to be used to greater effect than what poker currently gives.

They have to end up in people's hands, preferably a bunch of them....but the more iterations of playing a game of skill are required to turn poker points into betpoints, the more likely the points will concentrate with the better players. As it stands, extremely small rollovers make it more likely for a worse player to get lucky and rollover some points before losing them; if that went up to a 15x rollover, the odds of rolling over before losing go way down. Anyone who cares enough would probably go to O8 to stand more of a chance, so you'd have to limit access to that too. Making O8 tables betpoints only would leave the option available, but doesn't seem like the software could do that?

I enjoy SBR poker, and the guys running it have done a great job in the past...but given the limitations of the software, I'm not sure there's anything that can be practically done to bring it on par with returns elsewhere. If we say 12k points per week get rolled over into 10k points, that's over 500k points a year; if those were dropped into sports betting contests it's almost certain the return would be higher. Maybe someone out there has a killer idea that can actually be implemented, but it seems less than likely

[Optional]

12000 poker points probably has a similar cost as 25-30K in sportsbook freeplays too.

As you'd expect about half of them to be lost. I think?

[Triple_D_Bet]

12000 poker points probably has a similar cost as 25-30K in sportsbook freeplays too.

As you'd expect about half of them to be lost. I think?

Really depends on how the freeplays are used; 8 3-teamers to clear gives about 70% return, but people here are probably more likely to lose in the sportsbook than on the poker tables. But you could definitely take those equivalent poker points and give out more in freeplays for the same cost.

[JoeCool20]

At the risk of being "childish" (by pointing out things that are true even if they don't make you look good), Opti's answer had been said before in this thread, and the answers to the rest of the things you still don't know are in this thread too, just waiting for you to read them. You've actually quoted some of it in your replies

LOL Gotta remember dude! I have to "filter" out what things I read and what things I scroll over that are just

dumb-asses trying to take childish "shots" at me or others with their comments!

Sometimes I would swear that you and Waves are ghost accounts and you are the same person!

Because yall's 4th grade juvenile/childish "antics" & replies are identical at times!

And you know you don't want to be considered a "Waves II" type on here!

But you just can't give up on the "snarkiness"!!

Now you make me say it again because you aren't comprehending it! So here goes AGAIN! If you (or ANYONE on here)

don't start stupid child-like shit with me, then I will never reply with any back to you! And we can be productive

and congenial on here! Just keep trying to work on it is all I can say! Just remember this and make it your mantra!


"Rude and snide idiocy only makes you look like a rude and snide idiot!"

[JoeCool20]

That's true that most of the points are going to end up in someones hands, minus the rake. That's the cost of the program.

I guess the thinking is, well my thinking is, that more daily activity will attract more people to join in, more people to join the pro program and more people to join the site just to play.

If SBR just wanted to just give out the points as the promotion point, I'd think the current 12000 weekly poker points from the daily tournies might be able to be used to greater effect than what poker currently gives.

That's over $25,000/yr in Bitcoin at the store btw. Just for the dailies points as they are now.

Add in weekend tournies, 3 or 4 finals series promos and staff time, and it's probably well over double that number in final costs.

Now THAT is a helluva response!! I get it! The "costs" to SBR are having to pay out all the Bt-coin to all the people

on here who play poker EVERY damn day and twice on weekends just so they can then go cash it into BTC.

Which DOES cost yall (SBR) because people aren't using their own money to play poker with like a normal

poker site! It is all betpoints being used! And therefore all "cost" to SBR to pay the BTC from it!

[bobbywaves]

I'm sorry to anyone who reads this

Apology not accepted...Stop posting nonsense & concentrate not losing your measly 532 pts in sportsbook.

If I just don't read it, then I know I won't get "goaded" or "baited" into replying

Smart move not reading your obituary, R.I.P.

[JoeCool20]

I will also add that I don't think a lot of people are ever going to play poker on here if they aren't HAVING to play in order to try and rollover points. Because nobody wants to risk any of their points other than points that need/have to be rolled over on this damn wild luck donk ass SBR Poker software! LOL Look at all the posts about how it donks in 2 and 3 outers OVER and OVER on people when they get into an all-in! People can't stand it and they won't risk their own points in SBR Poker when we have all seen how this shit constantly donks in 5 and 10% shots on the all ins!

The goof-ball who keeps putting his "2 cents in" even though he doesn't work here keeps on saying that the "better" players will end up with the poker points on here if there is a bigger/higher rollover requirement!
And he is either TRYING to look stupid or he is oblivious to the SBR Poker being KNOWN for the wild ass luck donks! LOL The "better" players don't win more tournaments on here! And they don't end up with all the points either!
Because playing "good poker" on here doesn't mean you are going to win ANYTHING on this site! LOL

If 5 people sit down with 600, and all have a 600 rollover to try and accomplish,
then it has NOTHING to do with who is "better" that will get the points!
And it never does on here! It has all to do with who gets the most wild-ass luck donks outs during that session!
That's who would get the points! Just like that's who wins or earns points in the daily tourneys!
And it frustrates people and they can't stand it! And it ain't just ME saying that!

MANY MANY people post on here about their frustration about that. And I don't think they'll play poker on here and risk their own points that don't have to be rolled over because of that! Playing "good poker" and the "better" players are NOT rewarded on here for their "Good" play! Not at the percentages that they should be!

[JoeCool20]

Apology not accepted...Stop posting nonsense & concentrate not losing your measly 532 pts in sportsbook.



Smart move not reading your obituary, R.I.P.

LOL Didn't read again, I just hit "reply with quote" but I bet a million that THIS statement applies to your post!

I could close my eyes and not read your comments and just put this up under 99% of your
juvenile/childish posts on here!..................................



"Rude and snide idiocy only makes you look like a rude and snide idiot!"

[Triple_D_Bet]

..."Rude and snide idiocy only makes you look like a rude and snide idiot!"

Appreciate the advice Joe; if you (the guy who needed to have it explained to him that SBR giving away points costs them money) say I'm an idiot, who am I to argue?

[JoeCool20]

Appreciate the advice Joe; if you (the guy who needed to have it explained to him that SBR giving away points costs them money) say I'm an idiot, who am I to argue?

LOL You said it!! But hey, At least you know you are an idiot! that's a step in the right direction!

And by the way, who the hell said SBR was "giving away points" and it was "Costing them money?"

And where in the fuk did you get that I needed that "explained" to me? LOL Are you a compulsive liar too?

Or just an idiot like you said you were?

We are on a poker thread talking about poker points that people have to sit at the tables for hours trying to rollover

AFTER they have already played poker and won or placed in a tourney! LOL SBR isn't "giving away" points! What the hell

are you talking about? Are you drunk or being intentionally obtuse again? LOL

People are winning or placing in the poker tourneys to EARN the points! And they don't like having to then sit at the

tables for hours trying to roll them over! And that was my question! Was since SOMEBODY is going to end up

with the points ANYWAY, then why make the pro's sit there trying to roll them over for hours? And Opti answered me.

Who the fuk said anything about SBR "giving away" points and it was "Costing them money?"

If SBR doesn't want to offer points for winning or placing in poker tourneys because it is "costing them money"

then don't offer points for winning or placing in poker tourneys!! DUH!

Sheez I was kinda kidding when I said you couldn't read & comprehend very well. But obviously you really can't!

Damn dude, read & comprehend the thread before you make a fool of yourself with a dumb-ass post!

[blankoblanco]

Yeah, "comprenend" before you make a fool of yourself, idiot

[JoeCool20]

LOL

[JoeCool20]

Yeah, "comprenend" before you make a fool of yourself, idiot

LOL You accidentally misspelled "comprehend" in your post but who gives a flying fuk?

Anybody on here who would "bash" someone for an accidentally misspelled word is a flaming idiot dumb-ass!

Because we've all done it!


But anyway, I hear you man! it all started with Triple-Douche because the dude had to be a smart-ass

instead of being congenial.

Among other things, he told me what he thought I didn't understand! LOL You are an immediate idiot/smart-ass

when you tell someone else what you think they don't understand! Because you have no clue what they

do & don't understand! Then it has gone on for about 6 more posts & replies now!

All because he chose to start it by being a smart-ass instead of being congenial.

Shit it is so damn ridiculous of me that I keep getting "sucked in" to it and I keep replying!

Truly better to let everybody else see the smart-ass post and NOT reply.


But I have failed at that about 6 times now! LOL

[JoeCool20]

It is bringing back terrible memories. Triple_ Douche_Bag has been gone for months and he hasn't seen all

my posts telling people that I am not interested in this back and forth mouth running shit.

All he remembers is back when 3 or 4 people would stalk me and run their mouths to me and then I'd

"fall for it" and run my mouth back and humiliate them and embarrass them to the point that they were

infatuated with hunting down my comments and running their mouths up under EVERY post that I made!

It is so stupid and I finally got them to stop doing the dumb shit by simply not replying and letting other SBR members

tell them to stop trying to instigate dumb childish crap with rude posts. But T-Douche-Bag had left this site so he didn't

see any of it. And now he has come back and started the stupid stalking/mouth running shit again that he remembers

I would "participate" in and reply to! I can't stand the dumb shit and I just have to keep remembering not to reply.

The old saying: "if you lower yourself down to someone's level, then you are no better than them." applies here.

I just haven't had to deal with any of it in several months.

And I have forgotten to stay "classy" and "take the high road" and not reply, and let them look stupid and childish!

[Triple_D_Bet]

Yeah, "comprenend" before you make a fool of yourself, idiot

Well played, made even funnier by the edit....but I don't think he gets it, which admittedly, makes it even funnier