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  • bobbywaves
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 05-06-08
    • 13280

    #71
    Originally posted by chico2663
    bobbo is honourable.
    Chico gets it.

    dlow why did u even take the bait?
    Because dlow's a fish.
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    • mikejamm
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 08-24-09
      • 11034

      #72
      Originally posted by bobbywaves
      Hint: If you had taken your beat like a man without your childish comments after losing, no thread by Waves is created.

      I asked you multiple times to post the hand, even generously offered half your pts back for posting hand. Yet you fail to post the hand, due to sheer embarrassment & humiliation.
      Yeah, gotta agree with bobo on this one. The fuk'in time bank is there to use at your discretion. Dblow and his little cry baby puss antics. Talks a bunch of shit and then whines like a little bitch when he gets it shoved up his ass! Dblow won't post the hand cause he's a fuk'in piece of shit loser.

      I wouldn't refund him shit. Let him go shove a DiCaprio dick down his throat. We all know how much he dreams of suck'in the pretty face boys.
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      • dlowilly
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 11-09-16
        • 13862

        #73
        Originally posted by mikejamm
        Yeah, gotta agree with bobo on this one. The fuk'in time bank is there to use at your discretion. Dblow and his little cry baby puss antics. Talks a bunch of shit and then whines like a little bitch when he gets it shoved up his ass! Dblow won't post the hand cause he's a fuk'in piece of shit loser.

        I wouldn't refund him shit. Let him go shove a DiCaprio dick down his throat. We all know how much he dreams of suck'in the pretty face boys.
        Aww really mikeypuss, ur siding with bobo? What happened, did he accept your offer for being roomies in Vegas? Maybe you could bring your handcarved gayrider guitar and you two could have a great time!

        LOL, you think dares and offers from welching trolls who would never pay up the points are going to make me jump through hoops to find the hand and post it? I know exactly what happened and so does boobywaves. He slowrolled. I said "fuk u" and left. Then he created this offering to trolls thread because he's a weird dude.
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        • bobbywaves
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 05-06-08
          • 13280

          #74
          Originally posted by dlowilly
          I know exactly what happened and so does waves. He outplayed me. I said "fuk u" and left like a sad pathetic child.
          Only thing better than stacking Dblow, pissing on the chumps grave:
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          • JoeCool20
            SBR MVP
            • 05-31-18
            • 4440

            #75
            If i had em right now id gamble the dog shit out of them.
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            • bobbywaves
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 05-06-08
              • 13280

              #76
              Originally posted by JoeCool20
              If i had em right now id gamble the dog shit out of them.
              Wow, you really have no discipline nor management skills that you need Arunsh to baby sit your 922 pts? Does Arunsh wipe your ass too Joe?

              It doesn't get any more pathetic than these two clowns.
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              • ArunSh
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 09-24-07
                • 6801

                #77
                I'm beginning to wonder if this hand really played out exactly as it was claimed (not that it is even clear, dlowilly says flop was JT5, Waves says JT8, obviously it isn't totally clear). So I too want to see the HH - that will make it absolutely clear how exactly this all went down.

                Waves says he doesn't have the HH, while dlowilly hasn't seemed to confirm or deny that he has it. But assuming dlowilly does have it, perhaps Waves' offer to pay him half of what he roughly lost (I guess it was about 50 points) would encourage him to post it.

                So why don't we go down that route. To ensure no funny business, Waves would transfer the 50 points to one of the moderators, say spider or Optional (to ensure a neutral third party deals with it). Then dlowilly would have a set amount of time to post the HH. If he does not do so in that time frame, then the points go back to Waves, and if he does, the moderator gives the points to dlowilly. That's fair yes?

                Is that fair Waves? If so, you can just get spider or Optional to officiate this, and transfer them the points right when they know what's up. And anyone else like uscphillyguy, joecool, mikejamm etc. who also wants to see it, if you want to contribute to that effort, feel free!

                Of course this is all a moot point if dlowilly doesn't actually have it, but this seems like a fair way to reconcile the issues if he does have it.
                Last edited by ArunSh; 07-21-19, 11:58 AM.
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                • USCPHILLYGUY
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 12-15-12
                  • 21744

                  #78
                  I think the bigger question is why do you even care? There’s been many opinions in this thread. BW has his detractors / Willy has called out several when disagreeing with how they play in cash games. If I had to guess it appears Willy tends to bluff a lot in this game and BW hit a set on flop so figured he’d rub it in a little. Maybe not the best poker etiquette but prob not a slow role.

                  Seeing horseshit threads like this really solidifies my reasoning not to waste time playing poker here anymore.
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                  • ArunSh
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 09-24-07
                    • 6801

                    #79
                    Originally posted by USCPHILLYGUY
                    I think the bigger question is why do you even care? There’s been many opinions in this thread. BW has his detractors / Willy has called out several when disagreeing with how they play in cash games. If I had to guess it appears Willy tends to bluff a lot in this game and BW hit a set on flop so figured he’d rub it in a little. Maybe not the best poker etiquette but prob not a slow role.

                    Seeing horseshit threads like this really solidifies my reasoning not to waste time playing poker here anymore.

                    I have to return the question: if you don't care then why do you keep posting here yourself (as you just did in my other thread as well)? For someone who reputedly doesn't care himself (or he wouldn't be asking others why they do) and doesn't play poker anymore, you sure seem to have a lot of commentary!

                    Whatever my motivations might be for "caring", there's no question I contribute a lot in the poker forum and I play a lot so my interest in this at least makes sense. For someone who doesn't even play, I'm really struggling to understand your motivations to comment so often.
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                    • USCPHILLYGUY
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 12-15-12
                      • 21744

                      #80
                      Originally posted by ArunSh
                      I have to return the question: if you don't care then why do you keep posting here yourself (as you just did in my other thread as well)? For someone who reputedly doesn't care himself (or he wouldn't be asking others why they do) and doesn't play poker anymore, you sure seem to have a lot of commentary!

                      Whatever my motivations might be for "caring", there's no question I contribute a lot in the poker forum and I play a lot so my interest in this at least makes sense. For someone who doesn't even play, I'm really struggling to understand your motivations to comment so often.
                      Personally the jump on waves bandwagon just gets old. You seem to get a kick out of it so please, carry on
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                      • ArunSh
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 09-24-07
                        • 6801

                        #81
                        Originally posted by USCPHILLYGUY
                        Personally the jump on waves bandwagon just gets old. You seem to get a kick out of it so please, carry on
                        The "jump on waves bandwagon". Who is the one who made this thread, I'm curious? And in Optional's thread, who was the one who first commented on the other person, me or Waves? I think you have it backwards, but it's clear given how often you defend him that the two of you are friends irl so that's not surprising.

                        Simple fact is if Waves is going to call people out, when they naturally respond to him, if a buddy of his wants to claim it's because others are "jumping on him", well if you want to look at it in that distorted way, guess I can't stop you.
                        Last edited by ArunSh; 07-21-19, 12:23 PM.
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                        • USCPHILLYGUY
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 12-15-12
                          • 21744

                          #82
                          Originally posted by ArunSh
                          The "jump on waves bandwagon". Who is the one who made this thread, I'm curious? And in Optional's thread, who was the one who first commented on the other person, me or Waves? I think you have it backwards, but it's clear given how often you defend him that the two of you are friends irl so that's not surprising.

                          Simple fact is if Waves is going to call people out, when they naturally respond to him, if a buddy of his wants to claim it's because others are "jumping on him", well if you want to look at it in that distorted way, guess I can't stop you.
                          Met BW at bash in 2015. Far from friends but spoke with him for a bit. I think he relishes the bad guy role here for whatever reason.

                          If if meet someone from the site and they are respectful then they are ok in my book. I’ll just leave it at that
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                          • ArunSh
                            SBR Hall of Famer
                            • 09-24-07
                            • 6801

                            #83
                            I'm curious phillyguy: the list of people who have gotten into it with waves over the years is rather endless (Triple_D_Bet, downsouth, AutoDonk, myself, and now dlowilly, etc. etc.). All people who don't (at least I don't) get into it with others on here. So are you claiming that all these folks and many others are just "jumping on a waves bandwagon" arbitrarily? Or is it just possible that he's the one who instigates it with everyone and then human nature compels them to respond?

                            Which do you think it is? Everyone just randomly getting on him for no apparent reason when they don't do that to anyone else or him instigating it and thereby bringing it on himself?

                            As you just said he perhaps just relishes the bad guy role on here. If that's the role he wants to play on here, fine. But if that's the role he wants to play, then these types of reactions are exactly what he's probably hoping for - he likely enjoys it! So why would you then want to spoil his fun by indirectly telling people not to do it?

                            Anyway, as I just mentioned dealing with him is more than enough, don't want to add you to the list lol! So let's just agree to disagree on this issue - simpler!
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                            • ArunSh
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                              • 09-24-07
                              • 6801

                              #84
                              In any event, to keep it simple: Waves I suggested you work with spider/Optional to transfer them 50 points under the agreement that if dlowilly posts the hand (assuming he has it) then they give him those 50 points, otherwise they get returned to you, very simple and fair I think. Will you agree to that arrangement?
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                              • USCPHILLYGUY
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 12-15-12
                                • 21744

                                #85
                                Originally posted by ArunSh
                                I'm curious phillyguy: the list of people who have gotten into it with waves over the years is rather endless (Triple_D_Bet, downsouth, AutoDonk, myself, and now dlowilly, etc. etc.). All people who don't (at least I don't) get into it with others on here. So are you claiming that all these folks and many others are just "jumping on a waves bandwagon" arbitrarily? Or is it just possible that he's the one who instigates it with everyone and then human nature compels them to respond?

                                Which do you think it is? Everyone just randomly getting on him for no apparent reason when they don't do that to anyone else or him instigating it and thereby bringing it on himself?

                                As you just said he perhaps just relishes the bad guy role on here. If that's the role he wants to play on here, fine. But if that's the role he wants to play, then these types of reactions are exactly what he's probably hoping for - he likely enjoys it! So why would you then want to spoil his fun by indirectly telling people not to do it?

                                Anyway, as I just mentioned dealing with him is more than enough, don't want to add you to the list lol! So let's just agree to disagree on this issue - simpler!
                                Not here to fight with a chit chat room stranger. I think most of the list of posters you mentioned were because of ridiculous betpoint wagers. I don’t remember the auto Donk and waves back story, think it started before I got here. I will say that Trip and I believe Downsouth both met BW at that 2015 bash (I know trip did) and everyone was cordial, almost jolly at meeting one another. Hey it brings traffic to a poker sub that’s just about drying up so that’s a win win
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                                • ArunSh
                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                  • 09-24-07
                                  • 6801

                                  #86
                                  Originally posted by USCPHILLYGUY
                                  Not here to fight with a chit chat room stranger. I think most of the list of posters you mentioned were because of ridiculous betpoint wagers. I don’t remember the auto Donk and waves back story, think it started before I got here. I will say that Trip and I believe Downsouth both met BW at that 2015 bash (I know trip did) and everyone was cordial, almost jolly at meeting one another. Hey it brings traffic to a poker sub that’s just about drying up so that’s a win win
                                  Yup you are right about that! Whatever I and others might personally think of Waves, there is no doubt that his antics bring traffic to a not very active forum so that's something. While I don't personally ascribe to the theory that "all publicity is good", others might disagree with that and may think all attention is good so you definitely have a point there!
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                                  • bobbywaves
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 05-06-08
                                    • 13280

                                    #87
                                    Originally posted by ArunSh
                                    In any event, to keep it simple: Waves I suggested you work with spider/Optional to transfer them 50 points under the agreement that if dlowilly posts the hand (assuming he has it) then they give him those 50 points, otherwise they get returned to you, very simple and fair I think. Will you agree to that arrangement?
                                    I agree, with this exception: I'll transfer the 53 pt escrow to whatever 3rd party I want.

                                    My OP clearly stated "I think" the flop is 8,10,J. Wasn't sure, all I remember for sure was Dlo had possible outs whatever the flop was. I don't doubt Dlo's testimony of a 5,10, J flop. Only question his all in shove & other two hole cards, besides the 8 & 10 he made 2 pair with.

                                    Dlo's hand history will show his 4 hole cards. That will answer my question of what his other 2 hole cards were, & if it warranted a shove raise. I'll gladly pay 53 pts for that vital information. If Dlo deletes the 4 hole cards from his hand history, then he doesn't receive my generous offer of 53 pts back.
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                                    • ArunSh
                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                      • 09-24-07
                                      • 6801

                                      #88
                                      Originally posted by bobbywaves
                                      I agree, with this exception: I'll transfer the 53 pt escrow to whatever 3rd party I want.

                                      My OP clearly stated "I think" the flop is 8,10,J. Wasn't sure, all I remember for sure was Dlo had possible outs whatever the flop was. I don't doubt Dlo's testimony of a 5,10, J flop. Only question his all in shove & other two hole cards, besides the 8 & 10 he made 2 pair with.

                                      Dlo's hand history will show his 4 hole cards. That will answer my question of what his other 2 hole cards were, & if it warranted a shove raise. I'll gladly pay 53 pts for that vital information. If Dlo deletes the 4 hole cards from his hand history, then he doesn't receive my generous offer of 53 pts back.

                                      Well, that rather defeats the point. The whole point of having a third party in such a situation is that it's someone who BOTH sides can trust to hold up the agreement, again why use a third party at all if not? And if it's someone who you are picking, that obviously isn't necessarily going to be someone who the other party can trust.

                                      I don't understand - why do you object to using say spider or Optional? Surely you trust them both to be fair (I see you make bets with spider often). And I think dlowilly would be agreeable to that also (i.e. that if he did have the HH and was willing to post it under the condition that either of those two would send him the 53 points you gave them that they would) so what's the problem?

                                      By saying you want to pick the third party, might as well just be you deciding on your own whether not you wanted to live up to it. Gotta be someone neutral or it isn't fair to both sides.
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                                      • bobbywaves
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 05-06-08
                                        • 13280

                                        #89
                                        Originally posted by ArunSh
                                        Well, that rather defeats the point. The whole point of having a third party in such a situation is that it's someone who BOTH sides can trust to hold up the agreement, again why use a third party at all if not? And if it's someone who you are picking, that obviously isn't necessarily going to be someone who the other party can trust.

                                        I don't understand - why do you object to using say spider or Optional? Surely you trust them both to be fair (I see you make bets with spider often). And I think dlowilly would be agreeable to that also (i.e. that if he did have the HH and was willing to post it under the condition that either of those two would send him the 53 points you gave them that they would) so what's the problem?

                                        By saying you want to pick the third party, might as well just be you deciding on your own whether not you wanted to live up to it. Gotta be someone neutral or it isn't fair to both sides.
                                        It can be a mutual agreed upon 3rd party. If Dlo wants Spider to hold pts, then I'll agree to it. If Dlo wants someone else, then I'll have to approve it.

                                        Dlo's not interested in posting the HH out of humiliation & embarrassment, which is understandable. You're talking to the wrong person. I already made the generous offer, Dlo is the one who stated he's not interested in accepting my offer.
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                                        • ArunSh
                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                          • 09-24-07
                                          • 6801

                                          #90
                                          Originally posted by bobbywaves
                                          It can be a mutual agreed upon 3rd party. If Dlo wants Spider to hold pts, then I'll agree to it. If Dlo wants someone else, then I'll have to approve it.

                                          Dlo's not interested in posting the HH out of humiliation & embarrassment, which is understandable. You're talking to the wrong person. I already made the generous offer, Dlo is the one who stated he's not interested in accepting my offer.

                                          Dlowilly doesn't have to agree, you are the one sending the points, that's all that really is required - nothing needed on his end. As I said, it's quite simple, you inform spider of the situation and send him the points (he can post here acknowledging the terms). Then dlowilly has a set amount of time (whatever you want it to be) to post the HH. If he doesn't, then spider sends the points back to you, and if he does then spider sends him the points. Very simple!
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                                          • bobbywaves
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 05-06-08
                                            • 13280

                                            #91
                                            Originally posted by ArunSh
                                            Dlowilly doesn't have to agree, you are the one sending the points, that's all that really is required - nothing needed on his end. As I said, it's quite simple, you inform spider of the situation and send him the points (he can post here acknowledging the terms). Then dlowilly has a set amount of time (whatever you want it to be) to post the HH. If he doesn't, then spider sends the points back to you, and if he does then spider sends him the points. Very simple!
                                            If Spider checks in & is willing to hold the escrow, I'll promptly ship Spider the pts for safe keeping.

                                            I think one week is more than enough time for Dlo to respond & post the hand. I'm confident he won't post it. Not only did he state this, I don't see how my generous 53 pt rebate is worth the humiliation of showing everyone how he played the hand.
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                                            • spider
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                                              • 05-21-11
                                              • 11378

                                              #92
                                              ok, no problem, I will hold the escrow.
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                                              • ArunSh
                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                • 09-24-07
                                                • 6801

                                                #93
                                                Ok, good, then this is simple. Waves, just ship the 53 points to spider, and then dlowilly you have a week to post the HH.

                                                Personally I doubt he has it, probably would have posted it when he originally commented to prove the flop was what he claimed rather than what Waves thought it was especially since that lends credence to his theory that it was a slowroll - obviously JT8 flop that couldn't really be argued. But I guess this will help us find out!

                                                Thanks to spider for his willingness to step in and officiate! Now let's get this settled both of you!
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                                                • bobbywaves
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                                                  • 05-06-08
                                                  • 13280

                                                  #94
                                                  Not sure if Dlo has ever posted a hand in the past. But if so, he probably has it.

                                                  When you download poker, saving hand history should be the default option, but it's not. You have to manually check off the box yourself, which makes no sense. Otherwise I would have the HH, but downloaded poker to new laptop & forgot to check the save hand history box.
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                                                  • bobbywaves
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 05-06-08
                                                    • 13280

                                                    #95
                                                    Originally posted by spider
                                                    ok, no problem, I will hold the escrow.
                                                    Please keep in mind If Dlo posts the hand history & deletes hole cards from hand history, my rebate offer is null/void. He must post the full hand history without any edits/deletions by 11:59pm ET on 7/28, to receive the rebate.
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                                                    • dlowilly
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 11-09-16
                                                      • 13862

                                                      #96
                                                      Originally posted by mikejamm
                                                      Yeah, gotta agree with bobo on this one. The fuk'in time bank is there to use at your discretion. Dblow and his little cry baby puss antics. Talks a bunch of shit and then whines like a little bitch when he gets it shoved up his ass! Dblow won't post the hand cause he's a fuk'in piece of shit loser.

                                                      I wouldn't refund him shit. Let him go shove a DiCaprio dick down his throat. We all know how much he dreams of suck'in the pretty face boys.
                                                      Lol mikejamm bubbles again

                                                      Guy was making fun of me for going out in last place but he keeps wasting an hr to get what last place gets

                                                      I will start calling him mikeybubbles
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                                                      • dlowilly
                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                        • 11-09-16
                                                        • 13862

                                                        #97
                                                        Never said I made a great play but I was trying to rollover

                                                        TIA for the points Spider

                                                        Boobywaves is on my ignore list but I'm sure he'll have some trolling bs to spew out of his slowrolling piehole

                                                        ***** Hand history (v1.2) *****
                                                        Hand ID 7851581
                                                        $0.50/$1 NL Omaha Hi/Lo (No Limit) - 19:44:34 14/07/2019 ET
                                                        Table 'Night in Bangkok', 10 seats max, Real money
                                                        Seat 5 is the button. Small Blind $0.50, Big Blind $1
                                                        Note: seat IDs range from 1 to 10
                                                        Seat 5 (playing) : bobbywaves_CONF, amount $107.37, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
                                                        Seat 10 (playing) : dlowilly, amount $148.18, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
                                                        bobbywaves_CONF: Small Blind ($0.50)
                                                        dlowilly: Big Blind ($1)
                                                        ** Dealing Down Cards **
                                                        Dealt to dlowilly: [6d, 8s, 5h, Th]
                                                        bobbywaves_CONF: Call ($0.50)
                                                        dlowilly: Check [btn] ($0)
                                                        ** Dealing Flop **
                                                        Community cards: [Tc, Jd, 5s]
                                                        dlowilly: Check [btn] ($0)
                                                        bobbywaves_CONF: Bet ($3)
                                                        dlowilly: Raise [btn] ($147.18)
                                                        bobbywaves_CONF: Call ($103.37)
                                                        bobbywaves_CONF: Show Cards ($0)
                                                        dlowilly: Show Cards ($0)
                                                        ** Dealing Turn **
                                                        Community cards: [7d]
                                                        ** Dealing River **
                                                        Community cards: [8h]
                                                        ** End Round **
                                                        ** Evaluate **
                                                        dlowilly: Show Cards ($0)
                                                        bobbywaves_CONF: Show Cards ($0)
                                                        ** Showdown **
                                                        Main pot $213.74, Rake $1
                                                        Side pot #1 $40.81, Rake $0
                                                        Summary bobbywaves_CONF: bet $107.37, won $213.74, net $106.37, HoleCards [Jc, 8c, 5c, Js], HiHand [three of a kind, jacks] [Js, Jd, Jc, Tc, 8h], won $213.74 from main pot
                                                        Summary dlowilly: bet $148.18, won $40.81, net $-107.37, HoleCards [6d, 8s, 5h, Th], HiHand [two pairs, tens and eights] [Th, Tc, 8s, 8h, Jd], won $40.81 from side pot #1
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                                                        • bobbywaves
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 05-06-08
                                                          • 13280

                                                          #98
                                                          Originally posted by dlowilly
                                                          What difference would a hand history make?
                                                          Apparently, it made a 53 pt difference to a lying broke dikk fukk.

                                                          With that flop there were obviously open ended str8 possibilities, so it's not a slowroll at all. But don't worry, I'll have no problem admitting when I intentionally slow roll you next time the situation arises in a tourney.

                                                          When I'm raised all in, I'll take as much time as allowed to make an educated decision regarding my whole stack. If you don't like that, tough shit.
                                                          Last edited by bobbywaves; 07-28-19, 09:17 PM.
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                                                          • bobbywaves
                                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                                            • 05-06-08
                                                            • 13280

                                                            #99
                                                            Originally posted by dlowilly
                                                            Never said I made a great play
                                                            Obviously, as that would be another lie.

                                                            TIA for the points Waves. The humiliation of posting the hand was worth the measly 53 pts, considering I'm a pathetic broke dikk
                                                            You're welcome for accepting my generous rebate offer.

                                                            Boobywaves is on my ignore list
                                                            Only insecure pu$$ies utilize the ignore list.
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                                                            • bobbywaves
                                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                                              • 05-06-08
                                                              • 13280

                                                              #100
                                                              Figured I should win $500 to make up for the 53 pts, just in case you accepted my generous rebate offer:


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                                                              • dlowilly
                                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                                • 11-09-16
                                                                • 13862

                                                                #101


                                                                Wow, hope the poor guy is ok!
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                                                                • bobbywaves
                                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                                  • 05-06-08
                                                                  • 13280

                                                                  #102
                                                                  Originally posted by dlowilly

                                                                  Originally posted by bobbywaves
                                                                  Only insecure pu$$ies utilize the ignore list.
                                                                  Thanks for proving you're an insecure pu$$y.
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                                                                  • bigblue74
                                                                    SBR Sharp
                                                                    • 01-24-08
                                                                    • 345

                                                                    #103
                                                                    thread - tl;dr

                                                                    just wanna opine that dlilwilly is maybe one of the worst players ive seen
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