Justin7 on Behind The Bets!

[nosniboR11]

love him or hate him

the guy is one of the sharpest around

[wantitall4moi]

easy to make these statements when youre a shut in that most people think is a ghost of someone else on here and not even a real person.

But any time you want to start comparing shit let me know, you post stuff you think you know then I will throw out about 50 things that show youre not even close.

Go ahead make one sports gambling statement you think is fact as determined by what you 'math model' tells you.

[mathdotcom]

easy to make these statements when youre a shut in that most people think is a ghost of someone else on here and not even a real person.

But any time you want to start comparing shit let me know, you post stuff you think you know then I will throw out about 50 things that show youre not even close.

Go ahead make one sports gambling statement you think is fact as determined by what you 'math model' tells you.

Here's a fin, go get me a coffee

You can keep the change

[jjgold]

Everytime you read Wanty's posts you say to yourself

Kid make s alot of sense

Mathy he is challenging you

Post your model here with all the formulas

[mathdotcom]

jj the most classic thing about this guy is he paid some college kids to build him the Noah's arc of databases ... and then he says he made 'math models' out of them... but none of them do anything.



How come all the famously sharp gamblers use 'math models' successfully but yours doesn't do anything wanty?

Wanty you sound pretty disgruntled about betting

I guess I would be too if I paid some kids a few dimes to enter data only not to be able to make any sense out of it

[Ghenghis Kahn]

One of my favorite podcasts...gonna go listen to it now

where can i find his podcast?

[darkhat]

[dodger33]

where can i find his podcast?

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnradio/podcast/archive?id=5395837

Or download through iTunes on your mobile

[CanuckG]

Wanty know any good hookers/escorts in Canada pal?

[Ghenghis Kahn]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnradio/...ive?id=5395837

Or download through iTunes on your mobile

cool thanks

[ProfitBettingSov]

Mathy is right here.

Wantitall4moi is a fukking joke. "Math models don't work" Just because you're too stupid to make one that's good

[darkhat]

Wanty can we bury the internet hatchet?

I want to fly out to Cali and and shoot a video of your databases

Labor day weekend???

[wantitall4moi]

OK whatever, as usual guys make statements no info to back it up other than what stupid people have been told.

Fezzik was a genius too, guy won 2 hilton contests back to back, EVERYONE bought in that he had some secret formula, fast forward a few years later and he bankrupted more guys than Fannie Mae.

He was one of the originals back in the day also trying to sell his snake oil, he sounded smart (to the average retard) and he had some 'success' that was dubious at best. But he did do well in contests and free radio shows here and there. But when it came, and comes to betting in the here and now he gets buried over and over again.

He was one of the first guys to tout a model and call sports betting a market. Once he actually tried to prove it out with full disclosure he got killed.

So he tweaked his model (makes sense to some) guess what... did even worse. He would have almost made money fading it, thats how bad it was.

So when I see guy after guy after guy who tries to post plays based on some magic formula and continues to fail time and time again I will take that as all I need to know. Certainly more than someone who has never ever made any sort of statement that can be etsted or proofed out.

Like I said post a single bit of something anything. Not a play or an opinion but something that is verifiable or something that can be tested.

[mathdotcom]

OK whatever, as usual guys make statements no info to back it up other than what stupid people have been told.

Fezzik was a genius too, guy won 2 hilton contests back to back, EVERYONE bought in that he had some secret formula, fast forward a few years later and he bankrupted more guys than Fannie Mae.

He was one of the originals back in the day also trying to sell his snake oil, he sounded smart (to the average retard) and he had some 'success' that was dubious at best. But he did do well in contests and free radio shows here and there. But when it came, and comes to betting in the here and now he gets buried over and over again.

He was one of the first guys to tout a model and call sports betting a market. Once he actually tried to prove it out with full disclosure he got killed.

So he tweaked his model (makes sense to some) guess what... did even worse. He would have almost made money fading it, thats how bad it was.

So when I see guy after guy after guy who tries to post plays based on some magic formula and continues to fail time and time again I will take that as all I need to know. Certainly more than someone who has never ever made any sort of statement that can be etsted or proofed out.

Like I said post a single bit of something anything. Not a play or an opinion but something that is verifiable or something that can be tested.

So you're defending your argument by saying Fezzik couldn't model so no one can?

That's like saying we can't send a man to the moon because jjgold failed to build a rocket in his backyard

How about you tell us a little bit about Billy Walters' methods. You think he doesn't have a model?

[Ghenghis Kahn]

fezzik was never a math guy. he was or is a market capper. and he admitted before that he can't beat bases...

[jjgold]

Mathy ......................Billy Walters made his money booking and illegal land deals nt sports betting

He is biggest fraud of all times

[Inkwell77]

Mathy ......................Billy Walters made his money booking and illegal land deals nt sports betting

He is biggest fraud of all times

he made quite a bit of money betting on Donaghy games. You know this

[Kindred]

finally got to listen to the podcast, best behind the bets podcast i've heard

Alan Bostons podcasts with millman are a close second but just for entertainment value

And wanty there were few forums in 97, and you did not make a living sports betting ya ignorant smug lying prick

[JohnGalt2341]

Justin7 is so good the Government is already attempting to clone him:

[onacloud]

Justin7 went to valpo? I have a buddy that is a undergrad there right now, and that is one of the universities I have on my list for law.

Where is J7 from? His real name is Elihu Feustel? I have no idea how to pronounce that and have no idea where it comes from?

Great podcast however!

[tb1984]

Justin7 is so good the Government is already attempting to clone him:

[AribaAriba]

Ariba you could be sharp

What books you winning at?

pinny jj but trying to be low profile here, dont post plays because they generally lost when i do. i spot plays and pound it hard. withdrew 9k already to supplement my college for the year and just hoping to at leat gets all my losses in gambling(roughly 40k) plus the time that gambling took school away from me ill say 20k. my last sure bet where i won 3k was on the cws last night and tonight i dont see any play that match my own model. sportsbetting is fun when u win for sure

[CanuckG]

Ariba just stay away from CFL

[AribaAriba]

damn cfl its a moneymaking league and half of those winners was wagered on them.

[jjgold]

pinny jj but trying to be low profile here, dont post plays because they generally lost when i do. i spot plays and pound it hard. withdrew 9k already to supplement my college for the year and just hoping to at leat gets all my losses in gambling(roughly 40k) plus the time that gambling took school away from me ill say 20k. my last sure bet where i won 3k was on the cws last night and tonight i dont see any play that match my own model. sportsbetting is fun when u win for sure

great work
be careful
be smart

[jgilmartin]

Like I said post a single bit of something anything. Not a play or an opinion but something that is verifiable or something that can be tested.

Do you not understand that someone posting their model would be 100% counterproductive? If someone has a good model, the only way for it to have any chance of winning going forward is if it remains private. Once others (be they oddsmakers or other bettors) have access to your methods, your edge will quickly become zero.

Whether or not you believe people can and do build good models is your own business. But to suggest that the fact that people don't post winning models on public forums proves that such models don't exist is beyond absurd.

[Pokerjoe]

That was a very good podcast, considering the audience, Elihu. Well done.

[BuddyBear]

Millman is such a square. Interview could have been better if he had a clue. Thanks for letting us know about it though Inkwell.

Be interesting to hear Justin7's take on the interview.

Milmann does terrible terrible interviews. He asks all the wrong questions and comes totally unprepared. Most of the time, he lets the interviewees take over and dictate. You should see when Alan Boston comes on. Millman has no control

He had on Big Al McMordie a few months ago and rather than ask Big Al serious questions (e.g. Do you bet your own plays) he let Big Al talk about how much he enjoys watching the San Antonio Spurs and how they would destroy OKC in the playoffs.

Millman's interviewing skills are pure garbage and he should not be interviewing anyone. To be fair, his book "The Odds" is excellent and I highly recommend it.

[Inkwell77]

No doubt about it, Justin7 is a sharp.
One of the sharpest in the sportsgambling media world, if not the sharpest!

[jjgold]

Why is Justin not getting the 15k??? that they owe an sbr player???

Maybe he should send more time on that than writing books

[wantitall4moi]

Do you not understand that someone posting their model would be 100% counterproductive? If someone has a good model, the only way for it to have any chance of winning going forward is if it remains private. Once others (be they oddsmakers or other bettors) have access to your methods, your edge will quickly become zero.

Whether or not you believe people can and do build good models is your own business. But to suggest that the fact that people don't post winning models on public forums proves that such models don't exist is beyond absurd.

thats the ultimate excuse everyone gives. You can put stuff up that wouldnt provide a way to reverse it.

Its all proff by inspection.

Seriously if these guys had models that were THAT good they wouldnt be working or making videos for some website, or trying to sell books, or trying (and failing) to go tout. They would BET these plays. THAT is the ultimate 'proof' that guys who claim to be able to win aren't really winning because they dont have the fruits of this so called knowledge.

I myself do. Whether or not people believe it doesnt matter. But I know what I have and how I got it.

But I have also been around since the mid 90s. Even if some guys werent around back then I was posting on the RX the day it opened. Covers the day that one opened, madjacks, major wager , bobby Bs and a lot of the older places that were around back then. Never made aliases or ghosts and have had this same name since I started posting. Not many can make that claim. Because most guys kill themselves with stupidity or controversial stuff or they out and out steal money from suckers and have to change their moniker to feed their need to post. I am not some guy coming out of no where making claims with absolutely zero credibility.

That is the irony. I say things that these so called 'sharps' all laugh at and dismiss, but I could buy and sell all of them combined I would wager with money I made gambling. So IMO even if I am not sharp, I still am better at gambling than guys that think they are. At least better at making money. Which in the end is all that matters.

Last comment on this, I made a simple 'system' when I was in prison that I have continued to track over the past few years. It is actually better than most would think as it has only had one losing single on the parameters it outlines since 1997. It is semi math based. So I suppose I could claim it was a model and it worked. It would also more than likely pass a 'test' (for most degenerates) if I was asked to provide some anecdotal 'evidence' of its validity.

I might make a season long posting of the 'predictions' just for shits and giggles. Last time I did it was on Covers and it was pretty impressive. Thing about posting plays those is no one really follow them. They might use them to help build confidence in their play if they agree, but not many people are going to blindly follow anyone no matter how sharp or smart they think they are. So posting plays for the most part is a no win situation. because if it wins no one bet it on your say so. If it loses then guys come out of the wood work to laugh at you.

Like I have always said, no one cares what you think, even when they ask you. They just want confirmation on a team they like or a reason to argue with you why you are wrong.

[Darkside Magick]

Wanti in here killing you fools

[Duff85]

Wanti in here killing you fools

with boredom and bullshit.

[baskets]

surprised durito hasn't jumped in here to try to put his dick in Justin's ass as he tries to do in most threads where Justin appears