Will Obama voters go down in history as traitors and a disgrace to our nation?

[BuddyBear]

Buddy you are aware "scholars" such as yourself, tend to be liberal? And there is nothing wrong with that. But...best president should be judged by the electorate, not some elite group, left or right. Margin of victory in a re election shows you how the American people judge the job the president did not a scholar group that votes almost exclusively for Democrats.

Sure, that may be true that scholars are more liberal than other segments of the population, but at the of end of the day, scholarship is value-neutral. It has to be, otherwise we won't build knowledge. Plus, science itself is self-correcting and very public. We move forward through replication and multiple studies (in this case, polls) are done to ensure that we achieve consistency in results. It's open so that people can challenge the status quo and the prevailing wisdom. There is really nothing better than that system we have for scientific inquiry. It is truly amazing when you think about it IMO. Just like SBR takes money from the books they review, some may see this as a bias preventing SBR from doing their job of a watchdog. Same thing here, just like most "scholars" are probably liberal, that does not prevent them from critically evaluating the presidents that have served in office. You have to take the system for what it is. That's why I said, take a poll of worst presidents according to the public with a grain of salt and believe the one's historians and scholars do. Plus, should not it be obvious that the two worst presidents are the two most recent? You think the public can think back very far?

Nobody every says there is a conservative bias in the military, in the business world, in the religious places people worship. No need to question the integrity of academics on their presidential rankings. Pretty much all academics are value-neutral. They have to be.

[BuddyBear]

No I don't know the difference I was busy playing football and baseball instead of going home right after school to do homework, I regret saying what I do and how much I make cause it makes me look like a fagg,not trying to prove anything. You are making a far greater impact in the world then me being a doctor, ok shithead?

You are a douchebag in every sense of the word. LOL making 6 figures selling diamonds on the internet

Send me the website, I might want to buy one. For real.

[KingJD31]

edit, guys a clown

[KingJD31]

it's called being a fuking jeweler you jackass, what you think john doe can walk into the importer and ask to buy diamonds? worry about your med books

[muldoon]

worry about your med books

Guy said he was a PHD, not an MD.

[BuddyBear]

it's called being a fuking jeweler you jackass, what you think john doe can walk into the importer and ask to buy diamonds? worry about your med books

Website

[ByeShea]

Actually, Obama is ranked really high right now by presidential scholars and historians.

[BuddyBear]

wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_Presidents_of_the _United_States

[CanuckG]

mediaite.com/online/romney-has-zero-percent-support-from-african-americans-in-new-nbcwsj-poll/


shocker

[GUMMO77]

When I get the mail, it's addressed as "Doctor" so the STFU with your uneducated claims. The Tea Party is the party for the politically ignorant and religious zealots and pure white trash.

What does cutting up a stomach have to do with politics, you got no time to learn politics, I got all day I'm not cutting up a stomach

Keep pretending your a doctor and you are most likely doubled my age so congrats you are e fighting with someone half your age about politics

Phd bro from one of the best universities in the world. 32 years old. Top that.

Lol you want me to top that? Barley got out of highschool never went to college and now make 6 figures picking up diamonds and selling them online, top that

hey moron, i have a phd, not an md. You even know the difference? I teach college students at a university. Something you will never be. Keep dreaming about the money you make. Everyone on here knows you are full of it. You have to work hard in life to get places. LOL selling diamonds on the internet making 6 figures. There are sharp guys on here and they can see through you. Remember, you can fool some people some of the time, but you can't fool yourself. And you certainly don't have me fooled as anything other than a full-fledged douchebag.

No I don't know the difference I was busy playing football and baseball instead of going home right after school to do homework, I regret saying what I do and how much I make cause it makes me look like a fagg,not trying to prove anything. You are making a far greater impact in the world then me being a doctor, ok shithead?

it's called being a fuking jeweler you jackass, what you think john doe can walk into the importer and ask to buy diamonds? worry about your med books

Not shocking KingJD is Tea Party affiliated.

[KingJD31]

Not shocking you are a democrat playing 11 sbr point poker everyday, I have seen it all. Guy you couldn't be more out of line in the real world, I make more money then you make points

Not shocking KingJD is Tea Party affiliated.

[KingJD31]

Gotta give it to buddybear though he woke me up spending way to much time on here and not enough on pornhub,
I will leave you with this as my final comment, tell your grand children one day you got to see kingjd post
[video=youtube;Yky4QtRX_DI

[PittsburghPlayer]

agree our country is sad
cant even overthrow the government,we need a civil war again

Maybe we should pay the Chinese to overthrow our gov`t. Lord knows that we fat lazy Americans are not going to do it for ourselves. If we collectively are not the biggest complaining pussies in the world that expect someone else to solve our problems, I wonder who is? Everthing problem is always someone else`s fault and to be fixed by someone other than ourselves.

[ByeShea]

[QUOTE=BuddyBear;15761908]

[ByeShea]

mediaite.com/online/romney-has-zero-percent-support-from-african-americans-in-new-nbcwsj-poll/


shocker

content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/08/obama-has-millions-of-fake-twitter-followers/1#.UDeX0ND3uEa

And by the way, if the NY Times and all the rest are predicting a close one (like they did with Jimmy Carter) now - then Obama has no shot.

Romney crushing the money race and hasn't even begun to spend.

Obama blew his $$$ load already on negative ads and barely made a dent.

Obama won WI by 14% in 2008 - virtually even today.

Romney/Ryan = crowds. Obama struggles to get a crowd.

The only real question is whether it's going to be a Romney landslide or not.

[dante1]

You're one family lets talk about the majority of Americans.

Progressive D have passed laws in the past 60 to 70 years that have greatly improved living conditions for millions of people, those laws without the progressives would have taken much longer and some may have never passed.

[CanuckG]

content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/08/obama-has-millions-of-fake-twitter-followers/1#.UDeX0ND3uEa

And by the way, if the NY Times and all the rest are predicting a close one (like they did with Jimmy Carter) now - then Obama has no shot.

Romney crushing the money race and hasn't even begun to spend.

Obama blew his $$$ load already on negative ads and barely made a dent.

Obama won WI by 14% in 2008 - virtually even today.

Romney/Ryan = crowds. Obama struggles to get a crowd.

The only real question is whether it's going to be a Romney landslide or not.

All this talk I want a better price than -190 for Obama.

[ByeShea]

All this talk I want a better price than -190 for Obama.

I already have 2 100 even bets on Romney, speaks volumes about your confidence though.

Read: breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/08/25/2012-Untold-Story-Obama-Is-Losing

[SBR_John]

Progressive D have passed laws in the past 60 to 70 years that have greatly improved living conditions for millions of people, those laws without the progressives would have taken much longer and some may have never passed.

They improved conditions by raping people with money and redistributing to those who don't.

At the end of the day its a trade off. Do you want a robust economy where jobs pay well and anyone has the chance to make it big? Or do want what we have now where you tax, make improve the lives of millions, and spend until their is no more investment and no chance at making it big? Basically redistribution kills the American dream. The money has to stay in the private sector instead of being stripped out via taxes to pay for entitlement and military programs.

[Tully Mars 63]

They improved conditions by raping people with money and redistributing to those who don't.

At the end of the day its a trade off. Do you want a robust economy where jobs pay well and anyone has the chance to make it big? Or do want what we have now where you tax, make improve the lives of millions, and spend until their is no more investment and no chance at making it big? Basically redistribution kills the American dream. The money has to stay in the private sector instead of being stripped out via taxes to pay for entitlement and military programs.

Taking the upper tax rate from 35.5% to 39% isn't exactly raping people, is it? And Romney's plan to increase military funding isn't going to help either, is it? How about his latest claim to put back the 700+ billion Obama supposedly took out of medicare? Or his plan to lower all taxes? How exactly is he going to do that? He won't tell you what his plan is, exactly, until you elect him. That doesn't worry you?

In my opinion he's going to do those things the same way Obama closed GITMO and reunited the country.

[andywend]

They improved conditions by raping people with money and redistributing to those who don't.

At the end of the day its a trade off. Do you want a robust economy where jobs pay well and anyone has the chance to make it big? Or do want what we have now where you tax, make improve the lives of millions, and spend until their is no more investment and no chance at making it big? Basically redistribution kills the American dream. The money has to stay in the private sector instead of being stripped out via taxes to pay for entitlement and military programs.

Progressives aren't really interested in doing their "fair share" of the workload. They very much prefer to live off the hard work of others and will continue to elect politicians who believe in redistributing the wealth of those that "can" to those that "won't".

Conservatives (even those who aren't wealthy) are willing to put in the extended work weeks that are necessary to become successful. They want the opportunity to become successful themselves and they know that when the government tries to raise taxes on the wealthy, it will limit their opportunities.

The reason why the unemployment rate stubbornly remains above 8% (really closer to 15% as they are no longer counting those that have given up looking for work as unemployed) is because the wealthy are keeping their money on the sidelines as opposed to investing in new businesses that create private sector jobs. They are doing this because of their concern as to what the tax climate will look like if Obama wins re-election.

Obama and the democrats continue to attack the wealthy because they believe doing so will help them politically as political gain is by far and away the most important thing to the democrat party.

With more and more Americans out of work, the democrats are doing everything they possibly can to make things even worse for middle class America:

1. They continue to attack the wealthy which leads to LESS JOBS AVAILABLE for the middle class to fill.

2. Fearing another poor election result this November (the 2010 democrat party massacre is still fresh in their minds), Obama is issuing special work permits to ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS in order to avoid their deportation (hoping it will lead to increased hispanic support come November). Middle class America now has to battle with a whole new group of people looking for jobs.

Instead of doing whatever he can to INCREASE THE SUPPLY of jobs available, President Obama and the democrats are instead INCREASING THE DEMAND for jobs and the middle class is suffering greatly as a result.

If Romney wins the presidency, you will see millionaires and billionaires all over the country using their huge net worths to invest in new business creating a massive number of new jobs that will need to be filled with millions of middle class Americans waiting to fill them.

If Obama wins re-election, the status quo will continue with record numbers of Americans needing public assistance and more and more companies outsourcing their labor needs to more business friendly climates.

There is no greater enemy to the middle class than the Democrat Party.

[MoneyLineDawg]

It's not fukkin black and white.......I'm not a Democrat at all but Conservatives need to get real

Even under an Obama America anyone can still become a multi-millionaire from scratch if they work hard enough or come up with a great idea/business.

Im willing to make a little less in the long run personally if it goes to a good public Cause (Education, roads, parks, high speed rail, medical research, etc)

Yeah the freeloaders suck, but that's more about leaks and loopholes in the welfare/Public assistance system......Why doesn't anyone ever fukkin try to fix this instead of constantly arguing about how much to pay them? Fix the fukkin system, tighten up the fukkin gaping holes in the system

[Tully Mars 63]

Progressives aren't really interested in doing their "fair share" of the workload. They very much prefer to live off the hard work of others and will continue to elect politicians who believe in redistributing the wealth of those that "can" to those that "won't".

Conservatives (even those who aren't wealthy) are willing to put in the extended work weeks that are necessary to become successful. They want the opportunity to become successful themselves and they know that when the government tries to raise taxes on the wealthy, it will limit their opportunities.

The reason why the unemployment rate stubbornly remains above 8% (really closer to 15% as they are no longer counting those that have given up looking for work as unemployed) is because the wealthy are keeping their money on the sidelines as opposed to investing in new businesses that create private sector jobs. They are doing this because of their concern as to what the tax climate will look like if Obama wins re-election.

Obama and the democrats continue to attack the wealthy because they believe doing so will help them politically as political gain is by far and away the most important thing to the democrat party.

With more and more Americans out of work, the democrats are doing everything they possibly can to make things even worse for middle class America:

1. They continue to attack the wealthy which leads to LESS JOBS AVAILABLE for the middle class to fill.

2. Fearing another poor election result this November (the 2010 democrat party massacre is still fresh in their minds), Obama is issuing special work permits to ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS in order to avoid their deportation (hoping it will lead to increased hispanic support come November). Middle class America now has to battle with a whole new group of people looking for jobs.

Instead of doing whatever he can to INCREASE THE SUPPLY of jobs available, President Obama and the democrats are instead INCREASING THE DEMAND for jobs and the middle class is suffering greatly as a result.

If Romney wins the presidency, you will see millionaires and billionaires all over the country using their huge net worths to invest in new business creating a massive number of new jobs that will need to be filled with millions of middle class Americans waiting to fill them.

If Obama wins re-election, the status quo will continue with record numbers of Americans needing public assistance and more and more companies outsourcing their labor needs to more business friendly climates.

There is no greater enemy to the middle class than the Democrat Party.

Conservatives lined up in droves to support two unfunded wars, still have no plan to pay for them. Those wars cost a shit load of money. They want stuff without paying for it too, it's just different stuff.

[rkelly110]

Exactly, Tully. Repubs cry to high heaven if the poor/ middle class get something they don't.

Andy thinks only conserves work for a living, while every Dem/ lib takes hand outs.

[DwightShrute]

Taking the upper tax rate from 35.5% to 39% isn't exactly raping people, is it? And Romney's plan to increase military funding isn't going to help either, is it? How about his latest claim to put back the 700+ billion Obama supposedly took out of medicare? Or his plan to lower all taxes? How exactly is he going to do that? He won't tell you what his plan is, exactly, until you elect him. That doesn't worry you?

In my opinion he's going to do those things the same way Obama closed GITMO and reunited the country.

do you think almost 40% is acceptable? That's almost half your money! Going to a government which will spend it on all sorts of shit. You earn 50,000 lets say and $20,000 of that will go to a government that over spent move than 5 trillion in less than 4 years and managed to make everything worse. Do you see how insane that is?

Maybe, just maybe if the highest tax bracket was 15% or maybe 20%, they wouldn't have all this money to waste? Personally I don't see how you can defend 39%. Raping sure sounds accurate to me.

[DwightShrute]

Conservatives lined up in droves to support two unfunded wars, still have no plan to pay for them. Those wars cost a shit load of money. They want stuff without paying for it too, it's just different stuff.

they Democrats voted for it also didn't they?

[Boner_18]

I don't understand why there is hate for the tea party.

More personal freedom, less spending. What's not to like? I feel like every dolt who claims to be a libretarian (I used to associate with this group) should be championing thier cause. But all the sudden when faced with the reality of electing people affiliated with this movement everyone who claimed to be in favor of reducing gov't through spending is staunchly against this group.

What gives?

[Boner_18]

It's not fukkin black and white.......I'm not a Democrat at all but Conservatives need to get real

Even under an Obama America anyone can still become a multi-millionaire from scratch if they work hard enough or come up with a great idea/business.

Im willing to make a little less in the long run personally if it goes to a good public Cause (Education, roads, parks, high speed rail, medical research, etc)

Yeah the freeloaders suck, but that's more about leaks and loopholes in the welfare/Public assistance system......Why doesn't anyone ever fukkin try to fix this instead of constantly arguing about how much to pay them? Fix the fukkin system, tighten up the fukkin gaping holes in the system

Don't you think giving less funds to the wastefull system is the best way to force it to self correct? Instead of papering over each loophole with another regulation creating an endless quagmire of costly legistlation shouldn't we let the system correct by simplifying?

[babyjesus]

It all depends on who you are and who you're family is. My grandfather won't add me to his will if I vote for Obama this year...

[MoneyLineDawg]

Don't you think giving less funds to the wastefull system is the best way to force it to self correct? Instead of papering over each loophole with another regulation creating an endless quagmire of costly legistlation shouldn't we let the system correct by simplifying?

Rather fix the situation to the core.......The endless back and forth on this issue divides the fukk out of us and is such a waste of time.

Arguing about how much money to actually pay towards corrupt systems is just semantics to me......

Making this country more efficient in all areas should be the priority.....We got this shit all wrong

[ByeShea]

Arguing about how much money to actually pay towards corrupt systems is just semantics to me......

Making this country more efficient in all areas should be the priority.....We got this shit all wrong

We got this country $16 trillion wrong because people like you think money talk is just semantics. Obama banks his giveaways and crony capitalism (Solyndra, etc.) on this.

Won and done. Academia awaits, Barry.

[rkelly110]

they Democrats voted for it also didn't they?

From wiki on Iraq:
United States House of Representatives

Republican	215	6		2
Democratic	82	126		1
Independent		1
TOTALS	297	133		3

United States Senate

Republican	48	1
Democratic	29	21
Independent		1
TOTALS	77	23

From Wiki on Afghanistan: Democrats in the House of Representatives and in the Senate near-unanimously voted for the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists against "those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States" in Afghanistan in 2001, supporting the NATO coalition invasion of the nation.

[SBR_John]

Quote Originally Posted by andywend View Post
Progressives aren't really interested in doing their "fair share" of the workload. They very much prefer to live off the hard work of others and will continue to elect politicians who believe in redistributing the wealth of those that "can" to those that "won't".

Conservatives (even those who aren't wealthy) are willing to put in the extended work weeks that are necessary to become successful. They want the opportunity to become successful themselves and they know that when the government tries to raise taxes on the wealthy, it will limit their opportunities.

The reason why the unemployment rate stubbornly remains above 8% (really closer to 15% as they are no longer counting those that have given up looking for work as unemployed) is because the wealthy are keeping their money on the sidelines as opposed to investing in new businesses that create private sector jobs. They are doing this because of their concern as to what the tax climate will look like if Obama wins re-election.

Great post.

[Tully Mars 63]

do you think almost 40% is acceptable? That's almost half your money! Going to a government which will spend it on all sorts of shit. You earn 50,000 lets say and $20,000 of that will go to a government that over spent move than 5 trillion in less than 4 years and managed to make everything worse. Do you see how insane that is?

Maybe, just maybe if the highest tax bracket was 15% or maybe 20%, they wouldn't have all this money to waste? Personally I don't see how you can defend 39%. Raping sure sounds accurate to me.

First it's only 39% on the money you earn OVER 250K. Second that's the tax rate before you start taking deductions.

I paid nearly double the rate Romney paid last year I don't feel raped. I'd like to pay off these wars we borrowed the money for instead of passing it off to my grand children.

[rkelly110]

You could tax those fcks at a 100% rate and they will pay even less taxes.

Look, our govt has good intentions, but the bill writers are dumb as hell. Lawyers can find loopholes
faster than you can find your butt hole to wipe.