Did the Arunsh thread get deleted??

**princecharles** · 08-20-12, 03:23 AM

Originally posted by ArunSh

The amount you mention was not my wire amount nor my total bank account amount - I think this is a sort of a class action lawsuit. Several other people's $ they are probably trying to seize the same way, and all of our property together (giving the total amount you saw) is named as the "defendant's property".

In any case, the only $ I personally have in jeopardy is this one wire from heritage which is why contesting it is not really a good option.

ArunSh
Please let us know of what you post is the advice from a lawyer, vs your personal opinion.

I know you are trying now to be extra careful about posting sensitive info, especially after chatting with Heritage.

It seems like each time you post you have an evolved understanding about what's going on, so letting us know in the appropriate way would be great.

I have a feeling many who followed this thread, and could possibly be affected, are seeking thier own legal heads up.

Best of luck guys, really.

**ArunSh** · 08-20-12, 04:46 AM

Originally posted by princecharles

ArunSh
Please let us know of what you post is the advice from a lawyer, vs your personal opinion.

I know you are trying now to be extra careful about posting sensitive info, especially after chatting with Heritage.

It seems like each time you post you have an evolved understanding about what's going on, so letting us know in the appropriate way would be great.

I have a feeling many who followed this thread, and could possibly be affected, are seeking thier own legal heads up.

Best of luck guys, really.

I have not spoken to a lawyer, nor do I intend to at this point. Given I am not planning to contest the forfeiture, there doesn't seem to be a need to at this stage.

That said, part of what I post is based upon information that Mike (one of the lead guys at Heritage) has told me so it's not necessarily my opinion either, and I really cannot speak to whether this information is truthful or correct, but I can say that what was told to me did sound very plausible.

For the quote you posted, that's mostly based upon information I was told by Mike which again does make sense to me. Essentially they froze several wires (mine being one of them) and are attempting to seize the $. That is why the amount that they are trying to seize is so much more than my personal wire, again it's several people's combined. And he mentioned also that another client got a letter very similar to mine on essentially the same day as I did (whether that person's wire is amongst the ones being held with mine I do not know).

What does this mean for everyone else? I don't know, and I don't think Mike was really sure either. Fact is that the feds are clearly going after these processors who they suspect are acting as "shells" for gambling transactions and are trying to $ grab. Clearly the processor that was used here has been discovered, and others may soon follow. As you saw from the letter I showed, the processor involved in this was used by tons of books and also by poker sites which could well be why they were the (seemingly) earliest one to be nailed. But my (uneasy) feeling is that this is likely to happen to other processors soon. Just my opinion of course on that.

The fact that this lawsuit happens to be a "class" lawsuit (trying to get several players' wires at once) is in some sense a good sign as it seems nearly certain that they are not going after the individual players at all, only their $. So probably personal legal problems are not a worry. Of course, should you choose to contest the forfeiture, well who knows how that might change (I personally really don't care to find out myself).

I plan to talk to Heritage again today as they will likely give me an update on exactly what will happen. Will definitely keep you all apprised of what is going on. Thanks again for all the positive comments and support from everyone.

**physed** · 08-20-12, 05:25 AM

ArunSh,

Sorry for all the crap that's happening to you. So what does this mean for everyone else and how would it affect us in the future. I definitely will not make any bank wires but will it affect things such as checks and **/moneygrams in the future.

**LordVodka** · 08-20-12, 05:36 AM

Originally posted by physed

ArunSh,

Sorry for all the crap that's happening to you. So what does this mean for everyone else and how would it affect us in the future. I definitely will not make any bank wires but will it affect things such as checks and **/moneygrams in the future.

Would love to know as well. I think the main problem was the shell company doing the bankwires was in the US.

**Easy-Rider 66** · 08-20-12, 05:40 AM

Originally posted by physed

ArunSh,

Sorry for all the crap that's happening to you. So what does this mean for everyone else and how would it affect us in the future. I definitely will not make any bank wires but will it affect things such as checks and **/moneygrams in the future.

Who knows when the Feds are going to target a specific book/processor. They can't go after everyone, so they try and make examples to scare people away. Venture at your own risk.

**ArunSh** · 08-20-12, 06:02 AM

Originally posted by physed

ArunSh,

Sorry for all the crap that's happening to you. So what does this mean for everyone else and how would it affect us in the future. I definitely will not make any bank wires but will it affect things such as checks and **/moneygrams in the future.

Well the fact that this happened to me doesn't really give me any additional insight over anyone else about the security of any of that stuff.

What I can say is though that I used to be a WST/MRG guy myself but eventually was blocked from sending by them. Not that unusual perhaps as I've heard of that happening to others, many of whom reverted to using friends/relatives names to try to get around that (something which I personally didn't want to do).

My main recourse to being blocked there was to switch to wires thinking them to be basically safe. But as you can see, that turned out not to be the case either. So who can really be sure that anything is safe and whether it will remain that way in the near future? Checks for instance are paid out by a certain bank - should the feds go after the banks which these checks originate from, well then it could result in a similar situation, again who can be certain that won't happen?

Fact is, I don't think anything is even close to 100% safe at this juncture, and I don't plan to venture into it (by depositing anywhere) again until the situation improves (how the situation would really improve I don't know, perhaps only through being legitimized in the US by the government which I fear is a long ways away). I fear it really is, as easy-rider said, a venture at your own risk sort of thing now.

**robmpink** · 08-20-12, 08:46 AM

An unfortunate situation for you and others. After reading it a second time, not that it would have the problem fixed, was you did give specific processor info, which isn't good. Also, I do feel your frustration, really. If you are ever in a bad situation wait til you chat with the head guy or the guy under him before posting with specific details. I've learned this is the best to do.

Whatever the case, you have alerted the community to this problem and it is scary. Hope you get it resolved or just lay low.

**goduke** · 08-20-12, 10:14 AM

I think its kind of crazy that the original thread and this thread have been up since I think thursday or friday and we still dont know why the first thread was deleted or what the mods opinion on this stuff is.

**HedgeHog** · 08-20-12, 12:16 PM

Originally posted by goduke

I think its kind of crazy that the original thread and this thread have been up since I think thursday or friday and we still dont know why the first thread was deleted or what the mods opinion on this stuff is.

I think it's a safe bet that it was deleted because the OP posted the letter detailing the processor involved (bad idea). SBR's lack of response to either thread is interesting to say the least. Maybe they just want to distance themselves from anything Fed related--hard to blame them for that! ArunSH is following the right path now--let Heritage handle it first and if he's not satisfied then involve SBR.

**RudyRuetigger** · 08-20-12, 02:28 PM

1. I agreed with someone else at the beginning although I didn't state it. Dumb to delete the post, the Feds already confiscated that account. SBR seems to be working more for the books than the players.

2. I have nothing to do with banks, but to the person that said can't they just retroactively go back to all withdrawals from an account, i would say no. This one stayed pending or whatever. Ofcourse someone can clarify or correct this for me, which I hope will happen.

3. I have to disagree with those that said this is the same as a bank not letting you deposit after your submitted it and you lost the money...that heritage would still want you to pay. Well yea, that's true but its not the same as this instance. In the former, you still are in possession of your money, the bank does not confiscate it. In this instance Heritage did pay. So I don't think thats a good comparison at all.

**ArunSh** · 08-20-12, 05:21 PM

So spoke with Mike again at fair length, and this is basically the situation now.

He spoke to a lawyer about it who believes the government's case is fairly weak. The processor this involves is a legitimate bank which does plenty of non-gambling business, and they really only have suspicion, based upon other people's admissions, that any transaction involving this processor is actually a gambling transaction. Suffice to say, in a court of law, their case would be pretty weak having no real evidence. As such, if one were to contest this, they would likely be able to win.

That said, in order to contest this, one would basically have to get tangled up with the federal government which the lawyer feels is not at all advisable even if their case seems to be weak. So there will be no contesting it by either me or Heritage.

And Heritage is planning to make good on my wire as they said. They will be sending me the first chunk of it tomorrow, and as soon as I cash that in without troubles they will send the remainder. Kudos to them for sure for doing that.

Shall update when I actually receive.

**sharpcat** · 08-20-12, 06:21 PM

Originally posted by ArunSh

So spoke with Mike again at fair length, and this is basically the situation now.

He spoke to a lawyer about it who believes the government's case is fairly weak. The processor this involves is a legitimate bank which does plenty of non-gambling business, and they really only have suspicion, based upon other people's admissions, that any transaction involving this processor is actually a gambling transaction. Suffice to say, in a court of law, their case would be pretty weak having no real evidence. As such, if one were to contest this, they would likely be able to win.

That said, in order to contest this, one would basically have to get tangled up with the federal government which the lawyer feels is not at all advisable even if their case seems to be weak. So there will be no contesting it by either me or Heritage.

And Heritage is planning to make good on my wire as they said. They will be sending me the first chunk of it tomorrow, and as soon as I cash that in without troubles they will send the remainder. Kudos to them for sure for doing that.

Shall update when I actually receive.

Contesting this (even though the government has no case) should be avoided since any information they force you to provide them with can be harmful not only to you but to Heritage and the entire industry.

Wise and classy move on the end of Heritage to pay in to the governments extortion and square up with the affected player.

**Emily_Haines** · 08-20-12, 06:27 PM

Originally posted by RudyRuetigger

SBR seems to be working more for the books than the players.

When ever money is involved you can bet your ass that there is some shenanigans going on. Heritage pays SBR money to advertise and SBR likes this money, so as long as they keep paying they get to have a the diamond studded rating even though they hand pick their customers and deal them shit lines and get rid of any player that think could beat them long term. SBR calls it risk management but I call it bullshit. If SBR really gave a fuk about the players they would get me the 8600 Cascade stole from me or make good on it themselves.

**marcojuiceman** · 08-20-12, 06:58 PM

Heritage Sportsbook Banking Nailed By USA Government in North Carolina

Heritage Sportsbook that they have got notices in the mail in regards to bank wires they have received from the sportsbook. The class action suit is coming out of North Carolina in which happens to be one of the largest banking hubs in the United States. The processing company used was being ran from the state and at this time are being told all the funds traced from the accounts have been frozen in and out. This has been a huge issue for this company (since February) along with a few other sportsbooks in which was first reported on SBR and quickly deleted from public viewing.
What can Heritage Sports Players Do?
There seems to be a few options for players but none are attractive at this point:
(1) The player can let the money go and forget about the entire situation .
(2) The player can contest it however by doing so they would have to lie on where/what the money was for in which could get a player in serious legal trouble. The government already has heritage processor nailed so would be a stupid and very risky venture.
(3) The player could demand Heritage credit their playing account. This seems like an obvious and best option but this is where the entire thing gets nasty. Heritage sportsbook does not want to meet players in this situation and have gone as far as saying, "gamblers are aware about online gambling and the risk for making bets online". To give Heritage credit they did get players winning cash outs to the states but from there was never actually in most players accounts.
http://www.************.com/heritage...s-wires-52618/

SBR do your HomeWork!

**burgaweddie** · 08-20-12, 06:59 PM

Cash ???

Originally posted by ArunSh

So spoke with Mike again at fair length, and this is basically the situation now.

He spoke to a lawyer about it who believes the government's case is fairly weak. The processor this involves is a legitimate bank which does plenty of non-gambling business, and they really only have suspicion, based upon other people's admissions, that any transaction involving this processor is actually a gambling transaction. Suffice to say, in a court of law, their case would be pretty weak having no real evidence. As such, if one were to contest this, they would likely be able to win.

That said, in order to contest this, one would basically have to get tangled up with the federal government which the lawyer feels is not at all advisable even if their case seems to be weak. So there will be no contesting it by either me or Heritage.

And Heritage is planning to make good on my wire as they said. They will be sending me the first chunk of it tomorrow, and as soon as I cash that in without troubles they will send the remainder. Kudos to them for sure for doing that.

Shall update when I actually receive.

How the hell could they be sending you $$ money tomorrow ?? I would be petrified going to ** or ** to pick it up, YOU SAID EARLIER YOU WERE BLACKLISTED AT BOTH OF THOSE, so unless a plane is flying in your money How you expect to get paid?

**JerseyLove** · 08-20-12, 07:01 PM

Unreal

**robmpink** · 08-20-12, 07:01 PM

Wonder if this would have happened if they didn't take on all of the accounts.

**yisman** · 08-20-12, 07:03 PM

big thread about this

**marcojuiceman** · 08-20-12, 07:05 PM

Sounds Like Beef Read Below

Other concerns we have is in regards to how SBR handled this "high graded sportsbook" on there community boards. They have yet to respond to hundreds of questions on why the original thread was deleted and have yet to even make a public comment in regards to this large financial legal situation. Are they protecting Heritage Sportsbook or was they forced from the USA Government to delete the information in an active case?

**firedawg** · 08-20-12, 07:09 PM

Uh oh

**JerseyLove** · 08-20-12, 07:16 PM

Where u getting this info from?

**Bill Dozer** · 08-20-12, 07:24 PM

This is from Ask*The*Bookie.com, which is bet33/1vice/AmericasBookie. It's not true.

We have been receiving reports by players who wager with Heritage Sportsbook that...

No, no they haven't. Players don't use their forum or find them to send them "reports".

Other concerns we have is in regards to how SBR handled this "high graded sportsbook" on there community boards.

These guys there spend all day reading our forum or spamming for 1vice and trying to rent poster avatars. They are trying to bait with this and get a mention here again.

They have yet to respond to hundreds of questions on why the original thread was deleted and have yet to even make a public comment in regards to this large financial legal situation.

It's the same reason why they asked us to delete the posts about how they take Paypal. Except this one isnt true. The initial thread by the player who got his money resent.

**Mikeyanks23** · 08-20-12, 07:28 PM

wowsers

**marcojuiceman** · 08-20-12, 07:29 PM

Originally posted by Bill Dozer

This is from Ask*The*Bookie.com, which is bet33/1vice/AmericasBookie.

No, no they haven't. Players don't use their forum or find them to send them "reports".

These guys there spend all day reading our forum or spamming for 1vice and trying to rent poster avatars. They are trying to get mentioned here.

It's the same reason why they asked us to delete the posts about how they take Paypal.

Oh ok just wondering WTH was going on.. I Couldnt find another source to back up there claim, had to make sure before I make this 4 figure deposit with Heritage for football

**frostno98** · 08-20-12, 07:29 PM

Heritage has the highest safe guards of any books, surprised they got nailed hard! Because they didn't even allow me to login after not reuping money within a 3 month period.

**spankie** · 08-20-12, 07:31 PM

Nothing from SBR on the issue?

hrm.

**minet123** · 08-20-12, 07:34 PM

**Emily_Haines** · 08-20-12, 07:38 PM

Originally posted by spankie

Nothing from SBR on the issue?

hrm.

SBR could give a shit about the players. They just want to keep the cash coming from Heritage. What other excuse is there forum to delete a thread at a books request where their players where getting screwed over.

**Kindred** · 08-20-12, 07:38 PM

Personally I would contest, it's your money and I don't think you are risking any legal consequences in contesting it. I'm not a lawyer though, just my opinion. You probably should talk to a lawyer, consultations are free and you can get most if not all of your questions answered for free in the consultation without paying any retainer.

The DOJ is paying out Full Tilt customers. And they previously allowed Poker Stars to pay out it's U.S. customers after shutting them down for money laundering. No players were charged with any crimes. I know this is sports betting not poker but I still don't see how you broke any laws. The government LOVES to send scary letters..usually lots of bark little bite.

Before giving up on the money I'd at least talk to a lawyer, mostly because I just don't want it to be so easy for the feds to steal money. Also really don't think you have to worry about legal troubles..again not a lawyer just my 2 cents. Good luck, hopefully Heritage comes through for you before football starts

**spankie** · 08-20-12, 07:41 PM

Originally posted by Emily_Haines

SBR could give a shit about the players. They just want to keep the cash coming from Heritage. What other excuse is there forum to delete a thread at a books request where their players where getting screwed over.

don't disagree.

betislands released my personal information to someone without my knowledge/consent and i started a thread complaining about it and was quickly attacked by sbr lou saying i was trying to extort them out of a freeplay.

**Strider** · 08-20-12, 07:46 PM

interesting

**LordVodka** · 08-20-12, 07:46 PM

Who did betislands give your info to?

**Bill Dozer** · 08-20-12, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by marcojuiceman

Sounds Like Beef Read Below

Other concerns we have is in regards to how SBR handled this "high graded sportsbook" on there community boards. They have yet to respond to hundreds of questions on why the original thread was deleted and have yet to even make a public comment in regards to this large financial legal situation. Are they protecting Heritage Sportsbook or was they forced from the USA Government to delete the information in an active case?

We always recommend on sticking with sportsbooks in regards to there last payout. Books like America's Bookie have not had a slow pay report in over 5 years and continue to impress members around the gambling community. There is no reason to involve yourself with sportsbooks that cannot even get players paid or credited for there own legal issues and at this time we are dropping Heritage Sportsbook rating to a book to avoid until they can prove to be a fair and safe online sportsbook.

This is the last part of the article. They don't say 6 years because that would include the year he stiffed everyone under Apex Sportsbook. More trolling from these guys because they don't have a marketing budget.

**hawley** · 08-20-12, 07:48 PM

when can we expect a comment from SBR?

**spankie** · 08-20-12, 07:49 PM

Originally posted by LordVodka

Who did betislands give your info to?

deuce.