Did the Arunsh thread get deleted??

**Easy-Rider 66** · 08-18-12, 12:45 PM

Looks like it. Probably too much personal info for SBR's liking.

**BranchDavidian** · 08-18-12, 12:57 PM

I think it had more to do with too much processing info.

**John Dough** · 08-18-12, 12:58 PM

Originally posted by BranchDavidian

I think it had more to do with too much processing info.

**RudyRuetigger** · 08-18-12, 01:05 PM

I think we'd all like to know what happens incase one of these things shows up to our house

**BranchDavidian** · 08-18-12, 01:17 PM

I'm with you Rudy. I found that thread disturbing and was very interested in it.

**Strider** · 08-18-12, 01:35 PM

i would like to see this thread restored. It was interesting. If there is too much detailed info posted, just removed those pdf documents that he uploaded.

**wtt0315** · 08-18-12, 02:55 PM

Guess sbr would rather people come on here and post racists comments or just talk about stupid shit like seeing someones picture then actually having a post that interest a lot of us. This is the type of stuff we cant find out unless we have something like sbr.

**leeloo** · 08-18-12, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by BranchDavidian

I'm with you Rudy. I found that thread disturbing and was very interested in it.

Same here.

**LordVodka** · 08-18-12, 03:23 PM

Just came back to see if it got cleared up and it was deleted. I really want a clear answer. Did he get banned as well?

**FreeseOut** · 08-18-12, 03:57 PM

Originally posted by BranchDavidian

I think it had more to do with too much processing info.

When the DOJ already knows/closed them down? Who else does that info need to be hidden from?

**Strider** · 08-18-12, 04:10 PM

its a bit concerning his post and he himself disappeared

**LordVodka** · 08-18-12, 04:14 PM

And still no response from mods. There must have been something to that thread.

**lilprog** · 08-18-12, 04:20 PM

Was lurking from another forum that had posted this link. if you go to yahoo and search for the former url you get the cached link. Normally you can click this and see the old page, however when you do it on yahoo for the link to the prev thread it redirects to an FBI fraud page.

**LordVodka** · 08-18-12, 04:32 PM

You're right lilprog. Does that mean FBI was lurking here and told SBR to take it down? Goes to show govt is always scouring these forums.

Just re-checked and if you copy an URL to any thread on SBR and then search for it on yahoo.com and click on cache it takes you automatically to the FBI site.

**ArunSh** · 08-18-12, 04:44 PM

I know nothing - SBR didn't tell me anything.

If the FBI did shut it down or tell SBR to shut it down, that's rather concerning though.

**lilprog** · 08-18-12, 04:45 PM

Good catch vodka, its prolly just a catch all for sportsbook sites in general then, nothing related to the url

**LordVodka** · 08-18-12, 04:46 PM

Keep us updated on whatever happens. That thread is enough to keep me from gambling although I have little to worry since I rarely win anything.

**PD77** · 08-18-12, 05:04 PM

Kind of bush league of SBR to take it down and not say anything. One of the problems with those civil cases is that they are public information. You could go to the website and look up exactly who Arunsh is. Heritage may have had more to do with it being taken down than anything. Someone might get the impression that if you get a wire from Heritage you might get a letter from the Feds. Not to mention the entire thread was bad for business.If SBR comes out and says they took it down bc of too much processing info that is pure BS. All the words hiding behind those ** and **** and ***** is all over the internet. There are plenty of sites that post it everywhere. It would be nice if we could find out what happens in the end.

**ArunSh** · 08-18-12, 05:55 PM

I apologize to SBR if they don't want me to post about this - they deleted my earlier thread for a reason, but I don't know what it was. However, clearly people are interested in what is going on (as I would be even if I were on the outside with this) so I want to update them.

I had a long talk with an account rep at Heritage, and basically what he told me is this: This has happened to many other people (as my other thread showed, this is not the only sportsbook that this pertained to). This apparently has even happened to some people who had their wires go through and still got a similar letter. Strange to me how I haven't heard anything from anyone else about it, but likely people want to keep mum about it.

And unfortunately my options are not good. His general impression seemed to be that I have these two options:

(1) I let the $ go. If so, it shouldn't be any problem for me as they are not going after individual players, I would just have to lose the $.

(2) I try to contest it. But if I do that, since they have the processor basically nailed to the wall (it's obvious based on the number of admissions that they have from people what the processor was doing), if I don't admit where/what this $ was for (essentially meaning lie about it) then I could get into serious legal trouble myself. And if I'm honest about it, then I won't get the $ back anyway.

So two unattractive options, but unless he's wrong, obviously option #1 is obviously the better one. Again he says this has happened to a ton of people, and pretty much everyone has chosen to just let the $ go as few want to get involved with the federal government.

He unfortunately did make it pretty clear that Heritage would not reimburse me for the $ though as they did their part in getting the $ to the US and suggested that I look at this as "one of the risks involved in making bets online"

Not sure what to think. It's possible that he doesn't want me to contest it since if I admit where the $ came from, that could cause Heritage more problems. But if I end up admitting that, I think that's putting me on a road I don't want to be on anyway. So even if he's speaking towards the book's self interest, I don't think I want to go there anyway.

So I'm leaning strongly towards just letting the $ go. Not the way I wanted this to work out, but as everyone knows, given the climate in the US, I suppose this is indeed something that is always a risk, and I have to additionally worry about the fact that if I contest it, there are previous bank wires I've gotten from them and other books that they might then try to go after.

I guess people can assess this and make their own choices, but I suppose getting bank wires from any book for any amount should be completely disregarded as an option from this point onward.

**sneak-a-peak** · 08-18-12, 05:55 PM

his situation is very alarming

**LordVodka** · 08-18-12, 06:04 PM

I wanted to get Justin7's take on this since he knows more about laws than other mods here.

ArunSh, are you gonna quit gambling until this clears up?

**ArunSh** · 08-18-12, 06:07 PM

I basically had already stopped. Once my wire got frozen in February, I stopped depositing completely since I had to be worried about ever withdrawing. Several books have called me about depositing for football, but given what's going on right now, just not going to risk it. Seems like nothing is safe and everything has some kind of trail - just not worth the risks again.

But hopefully in the end, I still can use the SBR Book + Bet the Prick so I won't be completely without action!

**burgaweddie** · 08-18-12, 06:23 PM

Enough for me

You know what, after reading this thread and all the others, I can officially thank the Govt for making me quit gambling, this shit aint worth it if we all have to worry aboutgetting paid. Probably best if we all said fk it. I know my family is more important than some wager as to who will winsome damn game. Arunsh, did Lou say who took down the post ?

**sharpcat** · 08-18-12, 06:43 PM

So the US seizes the funds from the processor before it clears into the players account and Heritage tells the players to go fukk themselves???

**LordVodka** · 08-18-12, 06:44 PM

I wouldn't care about not getting paid but paying a lawyer and serving jail time is what scares me.

**sharpcat** · 08-18-12, 06:50 PM

Originally posted by LordVodka

I wouldn't care about not getting paid but paying a lawyer and serving jail time is what scares me.

The documents clearly stated that this was a civil case and that has nothing to do with criminal charges. I am not sure about individual state laws in NC but there is no federal law against placing sports wagers on the internet, only laws against booking bets.

As long as you are paying taxes on your winnings there is practically no meaningful criminal charges that can be brought against you.

**sharpcat** · 08-18-12, 06:52 PM

ArunSH,

Be sure to follow the elections in your area and be sure to make every attempt possible to see this states attorney voted out of office.

This is nothing more than a cash grab from this attorneys office and they are stealing money from their own citizens.

**ArunSh** · 08-18-12, 06:58 PM

Originally posted by sharpcat

The documents clearly stated that this was a civil case and that has nothing to do with criminal charges. I am not sure about individual state laws in NC but there is no federal law against placing sports wagers on the internet, only laws against booking bets.

As long as you are paying taxes on your winnings there is practically no meaningful criminal charges that can be brought against you.

Thing is, I'm not even from North Carolina - have no idea why that state would be involved with this. Never even set foot in the state in my life.

**LordVodka** · 08-18-12, 07:06 PM

Look up the case and attorney online. Is there any chance someone was trying to scam you?

**ArunSh** · 08-18-12, 07:14 PM

Originally posted by LordVodka

Look up the case and attorney online. Is there any chance someone was trying to scam you?

I don't see how that's possible. I know the wire has been frozen since February (my own bank told me that) along with the processor named in the letter they sent me being the correct processor.

So obviously the general details are correct, it's just a matter of why the state of North Carolina would be doing this since I'm not affiliated with them in any way, shape, or form.

And if it's a scam - what's the point? I don't have the $ anyway, and the way it looks now, the worst possible result of this would be that that would remain the case. So not sure how they could really be scamming me out of something which I already seem to have probably lost.

**burgaweddie** · 08-18-12, 07:18 PM

Arunsh, again wjo took the thread down, was it sbr or other ? Lou where are you when we need an answer?

**LordVodka** · 08-18-12, 07:19 PM

Or possibly the processing company was located in North Carolina. That's the best guess.

**PD77** · 08-18-12, 07:42 PM

Charlotte is the second largest banking hub in the US. I think BkofAma and Wells Fargo are HQ'ed there along with many other smaller banks.

**PD77** · 08-18-12, 08:00 PM

As far as what Heritage said, they arent out any money either way but they still need to meet the affected players in the middle. They said they did their part but in reality they did not. Since they are not going to credit the full amount back they should at least credit half of it. If you are at the cashout cage getting paid out and the place gets robbed before you touch the money the casino should still be liable to pay you.

I guess The Greek and BetJam knew what they were doing when they left the US market.