How is SBR any better than The RX?

[shari91]

That was a private comment to durito, please don't interrupt

You did not ask him a question.

Are you going to the Bash? I swear to f I'll toss you into a pool of jello or something.

[King Mayan]

Somebody ban this twink mathdotcom and his circle jerk crew...

[mathdotcom]

shari how are you going to handle all the male attention at the bash?

[Bill Dozer]

bill i respect the heck out of your opinion and so does almost everyone here. a couple things about your post:
1st bold print - if average is "about a month" that means some of those have been waiting a couple months. unacceptable but let's face facts, this is still very much in the slow-pay/processor issue rather than no-pay category.
2nd bold print - isn't this true of every top-tier book, right until they start not paying? in times like this if i ran a book i would say "i'll send you the max mon.eygr.am or we.ster.uni.on every day at my expense until this gets settled"

Thanks MM. Nah, all the wire requests were in July. Avg is inside 4 weeks -all guys in this same batch. Two guys in China with a lost payouts in June.
Keep in mind there are 8 accts of upper hundreds in a week. It's not that everyone should expect to wait a month. If it was it would be a new normal instead of a one-off.

To point 2, yes, of course. But most that are paying for a long time and then stop are not top tier. Nothing is guarenteed but almost all the big books who stop paying weren't top tier. If they cheated a player before even out of an earned bonus, thats not top tier. WSEX is the black eye that always comes to mind here and wouldnt want to dispute that. Even there, a lot of players who didnt have the near 6 fig balances were able to get out when they started falling.

Maybe a fresh voice will wake you up.

Mathy is not complaining that BOL is slowpaying him. He understands and accepts that risk when weighing whether or not to play at BOL or any other book for that matter.

Mathy has a problem with the way SBR is handling BOL given that SBR claims to look out for the player. That is his point. Mathy is simply stating that SBR is more quick to play the "watchdog" role when complaints involve a book that is not a primary advertiser (or better yet, a book that advertises at RX and not here).

Wake up.

I addressed that in para 2. Mathdotcom along with posters who havent been around long enough to remember what a real forum scam was and running cover was can try to rewrite the story. Its easy to say things weren't so bad after its done.

[SBR_John]

We've posted in threads about the book.

BetOnline has an issue with a wire processor. Average total time now is about a month wait for 8 owed accounts. 6 are wires. Two, via other method, in Asia are waiting over a month. It's the same as it always has been... If it's one batch of players due to a processing problem, we work on letting players know the updates and expect the book to fix and move on. If it is a new trend for a high rated book taking x days to send funds then we adjust the rating.

Bodog, who is back down to 2 weeks from 4 or more, is one of the biggest and longest standing sponsors and was recently downgraded 2 spots. They hope to be at one week's time soon. But, they also started higher than BetOnline.

BetOnline has had their share of issues this summer, but as I tell new guys who ask, they have corrected each and have never cheated or not paid a player in 6 years. They also rescued Sportsbetting.com. There is a lot to keep an eye on right now. Hopefully things stay smooth for their existing BetOnline players.

Let's not muck up a perfectly good thread with this reason bs. Hopefully no one reads that. It's a 100 degrees everywhere and we need this.

[Deuce]

Walker, I want a raise.

[mathdotcom]

Thanks MM. Nah, all the wire requests were in July.

You mean April right?

[shari91]

shari how are you going to handle all the male attention at the bash?

After 2 mins, no one will care. But last resort my parents always taught me to divert divert divert. I'm assuming with you're baby blues you'll be the perfect one for the job.

[mathdotcom]

They also rescued Sportsbetting.com.

Sportsbetting has always paid me in 3-4 days for years... now they were rescued by BOL and can't process payouts anymore.

Reminds me of this phrase



Just replace government with BOL

[milwaukee mike]

You did not ask him a question.

Are you going to the Bash? I swear to f I'll toss you into a pool of jello or something.

shari if you're going to be anywhere near a pool of jello i think i speak for everyone here when i hope you and the miss sbr(s) are wrestling in that pool

please don't let my perverted comments stop you from coming since i have side bets on your attendance

[billysink]

Maybe a fresh voice will wake you up.

Mathy is not complaining that BOL is slowpaying him. He understands and accepts that risk when weighing whether or not to play at BOL or any other book for that matter.

Mathy has a problem with the way SBR is handling BOL given that SBR claims to look out for the player. That is his point. Mathy is simply stating that SBR is more quick to play the "watchdog" role when complaints involve a book that is not a primary advertiser (or better yet, a book that advertises at RX and not here).

Wake up.

Ronnie thanks so much for your fukkin clarity.

Not one bit of argument with you Ray Ray or anyone else. If you go back and read my posts you will at some point figure it out.

Answer this question. If Mathy, Ray Ray or anyone else accepts the risk of playing at a book that they both deem "shit" and "incompetent" then what right do they have to question how SBR handles the situation. How can they make a valid point here having assume the risk on their own. So that is the business model here? Play at "shit" or "incompetent" books until you get burned and then run for help. When help does not arrive to their liking, start a shit storm?

What cracks me up is that so many pass themselves off as big timers but when the shit hits the fan they gotta question SBR's handling of the situation. The somebody please wipe my ass, i've shit myself approach. Fukkin big timers.

That being said, if someone in the know does a bit of ear to the ground and on the street research here they may find out more than is being made mention of here.

For the record I agree with Mathy, Ray, JJ et al. The book should be downgraded. I am hearing that processing is not the only issue at hand.

[newguy]

[billysink]

Sportsbetting has always paid me in 3-4 days for years... now they were rescued by BOL and can't process payouts anymore.

Reminds me of this phrase



Just replace government with BOL

The rescue may have just been a desperation move to increase cash flow. See post 203. There is a problem here me thinks.

[shari91]

shari if you're going to be anywhere near a pool of jello i think i speak for everyone here when i hope you and the miss sbr(s) are wrestling in that pool

please don't let my perverted comments stop you from coming since i have side bets on your attendance

I'm pretty small... I figure Matty is more of a fair fight in the 110 pound weight class than any of those broads whose boobs weigh that much.

Everyone will cash their bets on my showing up... all 40k or so of them now?! 8 days until I get on the plane. I'll be there but remember the deal is no pics or vids

[milwaukee mike]

Ronnie thanks so much for your fukkin clarity.

Not one bit of argument with you Ray Ray or anyone else. If you go back and read my posts you will at some point figure it out.

Answer this question. If Mathy, Ray Ray or anyone else accepts the risk of playing at a book that they both deem "shit" and "incompetent" then what right do they have to question how SBR handles the situation. How can they make a valid point here having assume the risk on their own. So that is the business model here? Play at "shit" or "incompetent" books until you get burned and then run for help. When help does not arrive to their liking, start a shit storm?

What cracks me up is that so many pass themselves off as big timers but when the shit hits the fan they gotta question SBR's handling of the situation. The somebody please wipe my ass, i've shit myself approach. Fukkin big timers.

That being said, if someone in the know does a bit of ear to the ground and on the street research here they may find out more than is being made mention of here.

For the record I agree with Mathy, Ray, JJ et al. The book should be downgraded. I am hearing that processing is not the only issue at hand.

part of the inherent risk of a c or d rated book was always reduced by having pull at sbr or other watchdog sites. so the benefits of high bonuses usually outweighed the risks for some of us.

but in this case mathy isn't running for help and doesn't appear worried about a slow pay situation, he is worried about a rating at a site that he now seems to put little faith in. so not only is that a bit counter-intuitive, it is a self-fulfilling prophecy - because if players assume they are going to get screwed whether or not sbr has their back, and they say that directly to john/dozer/etc, then what incentive do sbrjohn and bill dozer have to work hard for them?

i go back to the old saying "you catch more bees with honey than vinegar" meaning pissing people off that have your money and/or help you get your money at some point in the future in this case or a different one might not be the best idea.

[billysink]

part of the inherent risk of a c or d rated book was always reduced by having pull at sbr or other watchdog sites. so the benefits of high bonuses usually outweighed the risks for some of us.

but in this case mathy isn't running for help and doesn't appear worried about a slow pay situation, he is worried about a rating at a site that he now seems to put little faith in. so not only is that a bit counter-intuitive, it is a self-fulfilling prophecy - because if players assume they are going to get screwed whether or not sbr has their back, and they say that directly to john/dozer/etc, then what incentive do sbrjohn and bill dozer have to work hard for them?

i go back to the old saying "you catch more bees with honey than vinegar" meaning pissing people off that have your money and/or help you get your money at some point in the future in this case or a different one might not be the best idea.

Agreed. Remove Mathy's arrogant approach and Ray Ray's "we are on a different level than you" leave this for the big boys attitude and we may be on to something. If the thread had started and played out as an advocacy then you would be quite right here Mike.

Remove all the posturing here and it would appear that everyone is on the same page. No need to posture further. Let's get all the facts and research out in the open and get this thing dealt with.

[raydog]

Agreed. Remove Mathy's arrogant approach and Ray Ray's "we are on a different level than you" leave this for the big boys attitude and we may be on to something. If the thread had started and played out as an advocacy then you would be quite right here Mike.

Remove all the posturing here and it would appear that everyone is on the same page. No need to posture further. Let's get all the facts and research out in the open and get this thing dealt with.

very sorry for the way that sounded, billy... you could have millions in those 3 books you play at...there are some guys that gamble one way or another for a living and need 15-20 or more outs and those guys way of gambling is simply different than a guy with 3 books... doesnt mean anyone has more money or anything like that and im sorry that it came out that way..

that being said, yes, we all are on the same page...

fwiw, i wont even bother requesting another bol payout for a while...ill keep pounding their weak shit until the "processor" issue are fixed...get em boyz

[ronald]

Some peculiar sexual tension developing in this thread between MDC and Shari.

[billysink]

very sorry for the way that sounded, billy... you could have millions in those 3 books you play at...there are some guys that gamble one way or another for a living and need 15-20 or more outs and those guys way of gambling is simply different than a guy with 3 books... doesnt mean anyone has more money or anything like that and im sorry that it came out that way..

that being said, yes, we all are on the same page...

fwiw, i wont even bother requesting another bol payout for a while...ill keep pounding their weak shit until the "processor" issue are fixed...get em boyz

Thanks Ray and no harm done. My apologies as well for being a bit harsh. And for the record my endeavours are more of an augment than anything at this point. In this day and age, all your eggs in the online basket is not a good position in my estimation. Anywhere. This shit is all on eggshells for one agenda or another. There are a lot of ways to skin a cat my man, I am sure you know that.

Ray if you read what I posted in #203 and give it any credence at all, how is sinking the BOL sheet any deeper gonna help you?

[shari91]

Some peculiar sexual tension developing in this thread between MDC and Shari.

He already knows I have a bit of a crush. He takes advantage of that surely.

[jjgold]

Walker will be downgrading them soon

He is gathering all data that some people from SBR hid from him

[mathdotcom]

ugh

shari is exactly the type of broad i can't stand

they always need the last word and when you give it to them they just keep going and going and going

it happened exactly in this thread just like sean connery described

[jjgold]

Mathy you were right about a certain SBR GUY

Thanks for info on him..not going to use it yet though

[shari91]

ugh

shari is exactly the type of broad i can't stand

they always need the last word and when you give it to them they just keep going and going and going

it happened exactly in this thread just like sean connery described

Think we saw that video the first time you posted it? But yeah kiddo.... it's all about you.

Sorry ronald - crush dead. I heard JJ's vid about how they tried to pay you. Sympathy factor is now zero.

[raydog]

Thanks Ray and no harm done. My apologies as well for being a bit harsh. And for the record my endeavours are more of an augment than anything at this point. In this day and age, all your eggs in the online basket is not a good position in my estimation. Anywhere. This shit is all on eggshells for one agenda or another. There are a lot of ways to skin a cat my man, I am sure you know that.

Ray if you read what I posted in #203 and give it any credence at all, how is sinking the BOL sheet any deeper gonna help you?

have to hope that they get their issues solved and rebound with some solid payouts...you see a lot of books stall until football deposits come flooding in, as well...is this the case? dunno, but as it stands, it wouldnt do any good to request anything right now...if there are edges to bet there, gotta keep hitting them and hope they arent broke...(which ive been told by other books this isnt the case...but who the fukk knows) fwiw, i wont be using them to lay off anything during football anymore, like i have in the past...

[jjgold]

How do you know they are not broke???

Where are funds??

Are they segregated??

[mathdotcom]

Think we saw that video the first time you posted it? But yeah kiddo.... it's all about you.

Sorry ronald - crush dead. I heard JJ's vid about how they tried to pay you. Sympathy factor is now zero.

How many times is this nitwit going to put foot in mouth?

This forum has always been best when female posting is at a minimum

[shari91]

How many times is this nitwit going to put foot in mouth?

This forum has always been best when female posting is at a minimum

Ummm you are a kid compared to me and ummm my sympathy factor is now zero.

You did double post that vid since no one except me cared the first time (would love to see you post the one where he recanted 20yrs later) and BOL tried to pay you but it didn't go through... anything you'd like to dispute?

[raydog]

How do you know they are not broke???

Where are funds??

Are they segregated??

i dont "know" ...just what im being told by guys that know a lot more about them than i do... i know they still have money to keep paying sbr ...

if they are broke, i aint getting shit from them anyways

[Monte]

This just keeps getting worse...BO is a terrible book and anyone with a clue here knows it.
Seeing these excuses from Dozer is just another sad part of this story, and yes people have been stiffed.
I call being hacked and having funds transfered around, YOUR money, being stiffed even if i should be lucky enuf to get it back.
This is utter terrible security and CS, and yet its B+ so why don't you just cut all this "but noone has been stiffed" bullshit.

[edawg]

Enjoying the verbal foreplay

[billysink]

have to hope that they get their issues solved and rebound with some solid payouts...you see a lot of books stall until football deposits come flooding in, as well...is this the case? dunno, but as it stands, it wouldnt do any good to request anything right now...if there are edges to bet there, gotta keep hitting them and hope they arent broke...(which ive been told by other books this isnt the case...but who the fukk knows) fwiw, i wont be using them to lay off anything during football anymore, like i have in the past...

Good luck Ray, tough spot, keep your ear to the street brother. I will definitely chime in if I hear anything more.

Funny thing is Mr. Archer ain't saying too much but he is on the whip. Lot of the same still pulling his chains most likely.

[mathdotcom]

Yes the thread hasn't even gotten to the issue of a number of posters claiming their accounts being hacked

[gauchojake]

Business as usual boys. Nothing to see here.

[shari91]

Actually it's now 7:30am and it's mummy time so gl with your crusade against SBR since you said it's not about the cash, right? Let me know how it works out for you and I wish you all the best.