Todd Helton was the best hitter nobody knew about over the past 12 years. hit .330 every year. won batting titles left and right and flirted with .400 a few times. and it was not cause of Coors Field.
That whole team is a fukkin joke on the road
Like pulling fukkin teeth trying to string a couple fukkin hits together on the road
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Deuce
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01-12-08
29843
#40
Originally posted by Bcatswin
Maybe a little but i think it is him. Cabrera i would put 2nd.
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ZetaPsi808
SBR Posting Legend
09-18-08
12119
#41
Mike Stanton
News: Stanton has been named the NL Player of the Month for May. (Mon Jun 4)
Spin: No wonder, after Stanton exploded for a .343/.432/.769 line with 12 home runs and 30 RBI. The only player since 1920 to have a better calendar month before his 23rd birthday? None other than Joe DiMaggio, who cranked out an unreal .430 batting average with 15 HR and 43 RBI in July, 1937.
i bet most sbr posters do not even know who this guy is
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The Giant
SBR Posting Legend
01-21-12
21480
#42
Mike Trout.
Remember the name.
He will be the best player for the next 15 years.
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jbart28
SBR MVP
04-16-11
3387
#43
Josh Hamilton
Joey Votto
Miggy
Cano
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taxe91
SBR Wise Guy
03-16-12
610
#44
its Josh Hamilton.
cabrera and kemp deserve mentions too.
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taxe91
SBR Wise Guy
03-16-12
610
#45
Originally posted by ZetaPsi808
Mike Stanton
News: Stanton has been named the NL Player of the Month for May. (Mon Jun 4)
Spin: No wonder, after Stanton exploded for a .343/.432/.769 line with 12 home runs and 30 RBI. The only player since 1920 to have a better calendar month before his 23rd birthday? None other than Joe DiMaggio, who cranked out an unreal .430 batting average with 15 HR and 43 RBI in July, 1937.
i bet most sbr posters do not even know who this guy is
the thread title isnt 'who is the best hitter under the age of 23 in baseball'
giancarlo's day will come, hes not the best yet.
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ZetaPsi808
SBR Posting Legend
09-18-08
12119
#46
Originally posted by taxe91
the thread title isnt 'who is the best hitter under the age of 23 in baseball'
giancarlo's day will come, hes not the best yet.
haha I know. I just wanted him to get mentioned
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Dancemanmarc2
SBR High Roller
05-17-12
224
#47
Whoever is facing Jamie Moyer if he ever comes out of exile!
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HoulihansTX
BARRELED IN @ SBR!
02-12-09
30566
#48
Best hittng pitcher... Zambrano
Nuke thread
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face
SBR Posting Legend
01-31-11
14740
#49
hamilton, kemp, granderson, votto
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zoo youk
SBR Posting Legend
10-23-11
10701
#50
Originally posted by The Giant
Mike Trout.
Remember the name.
He will be the best player for the next 15 years.
I agree with this 100% he is on an absolute tear right now with 16 hits in his last 10 games.
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zoo youk
SBR Posting Legend
10-23-11
10701
#51
Originally posted by InTheDrink
ok so explain why his avg is 60 pts higher at home in his career
um most hitters do exceedingly well at their home ball park than on the road. especially when you have played there your entire career and im not buying the "Wrong actually the other way around outfielders play deep so it is the easiest place to get cheap singles, well before the humidor great homer park but these days an average homer park but good park for singles doubles and triples" comment which is complete bullshit. Helton was one of the purest hitters in the game. only stat nerds will use the coors field argument, true baseball players/fans know he was. its hilarious "outfielders play deep so its easier to get cheap singles" lmao...you still have to make contact with the ball and solid contact at that.
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Bcatswin
SBR Posting Legend
12-21-10
13931
#52
It's Votto without a doubt then Cabrera. Those of you(opie) that say it is Hamilton is delirious. If he stayed healthy all the time then yes, but he don't.
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paco
SBR Aristocracy
05-07-09
62873
#53
Miggy
Josh
Konerko
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Bcatswin
SBR Posting Legend
12-21-10
13931
#54
Originally posted by paco
Miggy
Josh
Konerko
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You mad bro
SBR Posting Legend
01-15-12
16641
#55
bruce lee
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zoo youk
SBR Posting Legend
10-23-11
10701
#56
Yous do know Konerko is hitting. 366 right?
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PickWinnerAllDay
SBR Posting Legend
08-31-11
12722
#57
Koyie Hill.
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Jeffie
SBR MVP
04-06-12
3428
#58
Originally posted by rm18
Lets face facts Carlos Quentin hands down
Met him years back, really good hitter to bad he went to a crappy team.
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You mad bro
SBR Posting Legend
01-15-12
16641
#59
Originally posted by Jeffie
Met him years back, really good hitter to bad he went to a crappy team.
lol lets not give him that much credit ...
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KKoz9
SBR MVP
09-07-06
1982
#60
Originally posted by Bcatswin
I say Votto.
Red-hot Votto staking his claim to title of Best Hitter in Baseball
The honorific of Best Hitter in Baseball is hereby declared open for claim, at least until Albert Pujols fully rediscovers the form that locked down the title. Pujols has slipped enough to rank 21st in batting average, 11th in slugging and sixth in adjusted OPS over the past three seasons. That's enough slippage to leave the title up for grabs. It may surprise you that the player with as good an argument as anybody to be considered BHB has never started an All-Star Game, never won a playoff game and is coming off a year in which he "struggled" -- well, only he would call a season in which he led the league in walks, doubles and OBP a struggle. Folks, it's time to wake up and appreciate Joey Votto of the Cincinnati Reds, as pure a hitter as exists in the game.Votto, the 28-year-old first baseman now in his sixth season, began this week leading the league again in walks, doubles and OBP, not to mention OPS. He is hitting .346, including a 30-game stretch in which he has hit .400 and an insane 10-game hitting streak in which he is hitting .576/.615/.909. I could throw a gazillion other numbers at you to help define the wizardry of Votto, but I like these three best:• Votto has not popped up to the infield all season. In fact, he has popped out to the infield only three times in 2,138 plate appearances over the past four seasons.• The average NL hitter bats .198 when he is behind in the count. Votto hits .300 when he is behind in the count.• Votto has pulled a ball foul into the stands only once in his entire major league career. Once."Sure, I remember it," he said. "It was my rookie year. It wasn't that deep -- and maybe 20, 30 feet foul. I haven't hit a long home run foul in my whole career."I was stunned when Votto told me that. We were talking about pull hitting last Friday because I was intrigued that he had not hit a home run to rightfield all year. (Lo and behold, he smacked a Wandy Rodriguez breaking ball into the rightfield seats about two hours later.) I told him I've noticed that he almost never gets out on his front foot with the barrel well in front of the plate -- a mistake of timing that often creates the empty drama of the majestic but worthless foul "home run." And that's when he told me he never has hit one of those crowd teasers.Amazing. But Votto is the most amazing hitter you've heard the least about. With his incredible balance and the stillest head in the hitting business, he is a lefthanded version of Manny Ramirez in his prime."Funny you should say that," Votto said. "He's one of the guys I try to model myself after. I watch tapes of Manny a lot."Like Ramirez, Votto's balance is so great and his stroke so fast that his contact zone -- the airspace where his barrel meets the baseball -- is deeper that just about every other hitter. The deeper the ball, the more time a hitter has to decode its spin, speed and location. But unlike most hitters, Votto does not sacrifice power by letting the ball get deep. He crushes balls with regularity over walls in centerfield and leftfield.Letting the ball travel also gives Votto a retaliatory weapon in situations when a pitcher is empowered by a count in his favor. Pitchers make their money on precisely that empowerment -- "Get ahead, stay ahead" is the pitching coach's mantra, and the numbers bear it out. But the rules don't apply when Votto is in the box. Pitchers lose that huge edge against him. To hit .300 when the pitcher has the count in his favor is stunning. (By way of comparison, Josh Hamilton hits .242 in such situations and Miguel Cabrera .286.)"I feel like the more pitches I see the more information I have," Votto explained. "I can start checking pitches off the more I see. I study pitchers and have an idea of what they're trying to do. And then as I see pitches in an at-bat I start to check them off in my mind until I get to a point where I have a good idea of what's coming. You can call it guessing if you want."Technically, nobody is better than Votto, the 2010 NL MVP. But is he the Best Hitter in Baseball? When I put that question to one veteran hitting coach, he answered, "Josh Hamilton is the Best Hitter in Baseball. He's just too dangerous. But he can't be the Best Hitter in Baseball because he's going to get hurt again. He always does. So on the one hand he's a better hitter than everybody else, but on the other hand he's always hurt. So then you have to look at Matt Kemp. Miguel Cabrera, Joey Votto and Albert Pujols when he's locked in -- and he's not locked in right now."Votto is on top of his game right now, just as Kemp was in April and Hamilton was in May. But to determine the BHB we need a bigger window to consider than one hot month. So let's look at the past three seasons (2010-12) because these are the years Pujols has opened the door for someone else to claim BHB. Now consider the leaders in some offensive categories from 2010-12:
Offensive Leaders
2010-12
Category
First
Second
Third
OPS+
Cabrera (174)
Votto (167)
Bautista (163)
OPS
Cabrera (1.017)
Votto (.999)
Hamilton (.993)
OBP
Votto (.428)
Cabrera (.424)
Fielder (.404)
SLG
Hamilton (.609)
Cabrera (.593)
Bautista (.590)
Batting Average
Cabrera (.334)
Hamilton (.333)
Votto/C. Gonzalez (.320)
Times on Base
Votto (682)
Cabrera (669)
Fielder (662)
WAR Runs Batting
Cabrera (132)
Votto (128)
Bautsita (119)
From these numbers, you can rule out Hamilton, if only because of the durability question. He can be the BHBWH -- Best Hitter in Baseball When Healthy. (Hamilton has been on base 171 fewer times than Votto over the past three years.) Rule out Kemp, who, with his hamstring injury, will not be able to consolidate his one breakout season, 2011.You're left with Cabrera and Votto, two pure hitters who were born five months apart in 1983 and are hitting their prime years. The numbers favor Cabrera. But keep this in mind: Votto gets less help from his lineup. Yes, he hits in a hitter-friendly park, but Votto gets far fewer chances to hit with runners on base than Cabrera -- or even Carlos Lee of the Astros, for the matter.Under Dusty Baker, the Reds have been awful at getting the manager tablesetters for the top of his lineup. The Reds are tied with Pittsburgh for the worst combined OBP by the first two spots in the batting order (.272). Here's where they have ranked in table-setting OBP since 2008: 15, 16, 11, 6, 15. (Paging Billy Hamilton, the phenomenal speedster in A ball.)Over the past three seasons, Cabrera has batted with 157 more runners than has Votto (1,089-932), including a 27-runner advantage this year (150-123).And if you're a hitting connoisseur, well, that infield popup statistic on Votto is interesting. Infield popups are as useless as strikeouts. They don't advance runners and they don't put pressure on a defense. It defines a poor contact point, even if fans might admire the mesmerizing flight of a particularly high popup, known in the Sibley Guide of balls in play as the "Major League Popup."Over the post four seasons, Cabrera has hit way more popups than Votto: 43-3. And keep this in mind as Votto exhibits stupendous control of his bat and the strike zone: He is on pace to lead the league in on-base percentage for a third straight year. Only five players have done that since World War II: Ted Williams, Joe Morgan, Mike Schmidt, Wade Boggs and Barry Bonds.Fact is, Votto runs in some historically great company, but tends not to get the attention afforded Pujols, Hamilton, Cabrera and Kemp. Maybe this is even the year Votto finally gets to start for the NL in the All-Star Game. All it took was virtually his entire competition for the honor to go away.Ten different players have been named NL All-Star first basemen over the previous seven years. Where are they now? Check out this attrition:In AL (3): Albert Pujols, Prince Fielder, Adrian GonzalezOn DL (2): Ryan Howard, Lance BerkmanIn minors (1): Gaby SanchezRetired (3): Derrek Lee, Dimitri Young, Nomar GarciaparraStill playing 1B in NL (1): Joey Votto.