Thinking about adding a new rule on the SBR forum

[MonkeyF0cker]

Alright. I'm sold.

[bigboydan]

Alright. I'm sold.

Thanks for your support sir.

[Iwinyourmoney]

this wont pass. Its dumb. VETO. Next?

[Panic]

this wont pass. Its dumb. VETO. Next?

Agreed. I'm out.

[VegasDave]

BBD, I hope you won't dislike me for disagreeing with you on this issue. I do like you and you seem like a good guy.

I just believe this is out of line and going too far. If someone is drunk but is following all of the rules and not posting anything that warrants an infraction, they should not receive an infraction just because they are drunk.

You are worried about parents of under-aged drinkers coming after an online forum because you didn't take action against these posters? And you think banning them from posting for the evening is appropriate action? If you feel so legally responsible, why not ban them permanently or call the local authorities on them? See how well that goes over with all of the posters here.

[PureGuava]

BBD, I think your just better off giving people infractions for asking stupid questions.

[RogueJuror]

oooh and i was close to posting another drunk suicide video, good thing i read this thread first

[RogueJuror]

i nominate danny, spin the wheel

[Tsoprano]

BBD, I hope you won't dislike me for disagreeing with you on this issue. I do like you and you seem like a good guy.

I just believe this is out of line and going too far. If someone is drunk but is following all of the rules and not posting anything that warrants an infraction, they should not receive an infraction just because they are drunk.

You are worried about parents of under-aged drinkers coming after an online forum because you didn't take action against these posters? And you think banning them from posting for the evening is appropriate action? If you feel so legally responsible, why not ban them permanently or call the local authorities on them? See how well that goes over with all of the posters here.

Agreed 100%

[Mudcat]

I haven't read the whole thread so maybe I'll be responding seriously to something that has been revealed to be a joke, but here goes:


I don't mind the idea of enforcing rules relating to conduct. I always wanted this to be a classier forum. If people want to piss at each other, let them go somewhere else. But I feel you just decide on your standards and enforce them. If someone crosses a line, it shouldn't matter if they're on something.

It's all kind of ridiculous. Why center out alcohol? It's okay to be abusive if you're on cocaine? Prescription anti-depressants? What about enforcement? Who decides when someone is over the legal limit? What if they deny it?

It's pretty silly and the more I type here the more I think the concept must have been meant as a bit of satire or something.

[Willie Bee]

I voted NO...several thousand times. The mere idea of this becoming a hard rule should put the person who suggested it as the one and only person on the Wheel of Banishment next Friday, which by that time I'll be off my meds and tossing back a martini or three while posting

[bigboydan]

BBD, I hope you won't dislike me for disagreeing with you on this issue.

No worries sir. Everyone here is entitled to there own views on this subject, which I will respect.

[smitch124]

You should have a martini glass icon to hit when you are posting drunk, this way the reader knows what influences you are under when posting...

[AgainstAllOdds]

Im seeing 19743 votes for no....How the **** did no get so many votes??!?!?!

I voted no but...wtf

[TodaysAction]

This is just wrong on so many levels, I don't have enough time in the day to go over each portion but will share a few quick thoughts.

One, to give the poster an infraction if they say they've had or are having an adult beverage - WTF. If "the board" is so concerned about underage drinking, why not set up a "under 21" board and monitor the hell out of it.

Two, why stop with the drinkers. Why not go after the smokers? They get stoned/stupid/silly as the drunks.

Three, don't forget to tap into the pill poppers and nasal candy users to. Better stop them from saying they're on it as well.

You missed the boat, imho, big-time on this one sir. I get you wanting to stop the vocal verbage attacks but don't take away the liberties of others.

[smitch124]

we can have a martini icon, a pill, pot plant, mushroom, needle, powder and viagara icon as well.

Toolbar will be crowded, but alot of posts on here will be explained

[skrtelfan]

Wow, lots of votes in this poll!

[RogueScholar]

I, for one, think this idea is completely ludicrous. The real issue at hand is SBR penalizing posters for being honest about their state of intoxication. This forum would be silly to think that it can have any effect over what people do in their own homes. If the issue is verbal abuse, then you either need to address that conduct independently, or, more effectively, tell people to get a life. If someone trashes you on a forum, then grow a thicker skin or hurl a few insults back. EnglishMike has called me a faggot and a douchebag over a dozen times and I don't think drinking had anything to do with it, nor did any of the mods show any concern. It obviously has no effect on my presence here, and I think it adds to the spice and entertainment of the forum. That's why we're here, to be entertained and to share our interest in sports entertainment.

Another issue is that you're essentially saying that it's okay to be verbally abusive to other members so long as you're clean and sober. I say this because verbal abuse is a common occurance in this crowd and I've never seen anything done to address it.

Since SBR can't establish any of that information, then you're simply stigmatizing alcohol use. Dan, I like you, but what was in your head when you worded this poll? The only thing that would've made sense in this instance would have been to have a "Point Of Emphasis" in effect with regards to pointed personal attacks. And even that is only going to drive people away, because what you're suggesting is simply too subjective to ever be enforced fairly.

I feel for Tmoney, but if you're going to put yourself out there on a forum, then you better prepare for some flack. If this were some pansy forum about how to embroider, then sure you'd want to police it more. But this is sports, and money! Two of the most emotional topics in the world, short of politics and religion, which we cover pretty well in here too. Let things get heated, otherwise you risk driving away a lot of members and the ones that stay will forever be censoring everything they think to type.

[bigboydan]

Two, why stop with the drinkers. Why not go after the smokers? They get stoned/stupid/silly as the drunks.

If this vote fails (which it looks like it just might). I will revise it to include drugs as well sir. The reasons I've provided above seem to happen on a daily basis though and with no real rules to go by it's basically a judgment call on for moderators to make. I'm just trying to get some type of rules established in order to better server the SBR community. I mean who really wants to get verbally abused after losing a bet, which is a nightly occurrence.

[RogueScholar]

If this vote fails (which it looks like it just might). I will revise it to include drugs as well sir. The reasons I've provided above seem to happen on a daily basis though and with no real rules to go by it's basically a judgment call on for moderators to make. I'm just trying to get some type of rules established in order to better server the SBR community. I mean who really wants to get verbally abused after losing a bet, which is a nightly occurrence.

Quite frankly, if you can't handle someone making fun of you when you lose, then you're not that much of a man in my opinion. It's my firm belief that as a man, if you enjoy celebrating your successes, then you need to be a good loser and let others around you break your balls. Now I agree that when it gets to casting aspersions on that loser's character, then the mods have something concrete for justifying enforcement. But if we're just talking about an old-fashioned drunken ball busting, then the loser needs to stop posting his picks.

And if you're concerned with legal exposure, then let's talk about the concept of free speech. Now I'm not so dumb as to think that SBR doesn't have complete legal control over the content of the posts and the behavior of the members, but I believe there's a more fundamental issue present. This is still America (for whatever that's worth), and until you cross the line of impugning another's character, then making fun of their misfortune is just good old-fashioned free speech.

I think the reason it's a nightly occurence is that it's just human nature to give people shit over their misfortune. I mean, who among us hasn't had a buddy accidentally fall into a well and then pissed on his head when he couldn't run away? That kind of behavior is what America was founded on, and if someone doesn't like it, then the Better Homes and Gardens forum is "right around the corner."

[bigboydan]

I think the reason it's a nightly occurence is that it's just human nature to give people shit over their misfortune.

It's much worse than that when posters (especially under age posters) are drinking sir. That's why I submitted this new rule to a vote in the first place.

[RogueScholar]

Well if you ask me it's making a mountain out of a molehill. SBR incurs zero liability if it takes no action to provide the alcohol to those under 21.

Underage drinking has gone on since before there were age limits on the purchase of alcohol. To think that making an example of these kids is going to make a difference is huberis. Again I return to the point that drunk or not, the behavior is the real issue here. The rule that you need if you truly feel so strongly about it is PWBAA, Posting While Being An Asshole. The problem with a rule like that is that you'll end up permanently banning the most important people here, the people that provide your "posting liquidity", as it were.

SBR is like a circus and, like it or not, drunken clowns are a huge part of your main event. Now while it may offend some sensitivities in here, the obvious business model that SBR has to follow is to reel in as many people as possible. Not just that, but the degenerates are truly your bread and butter. I think SBR is just fine the way it is, an open-air asylum; that very quality is what brought me here and kept me here.

[bigboydan]

I can respect your point of views sir. However, we as moderators truly need some type of rules in place on this particular subject because we have given out infractions before over this and ended up getting slammed for it by posters. Since it's considered a "judgment call" on our part management might not agree with our actions. That's why we really need to get this rule passed.

[tmoney]

your doing a fine job dan these drunks are out fo control.u take charge buddy dont let them get to you

[RogueScholar]

If the rule needs to be passed so badly, then why aren't the other Mods speaking up for it as vehemently as you are? I'm not saying your judgement is suspect, but it seems that you are spearheading this effort based on a small sample size of incidents.

I also see that this forum is here to serve the SBR clientele, such as they are. In light of that fact, shouldn't the code of conduct reflect the attitude of the majority? In American democracy, there is a policy of protecting those who can't protect themselves. In contrast, this being a voluntary association, there is an extremely limited need for protection because no one is required to participate. As I see it, the only grounds for an addendum to the code of conduct would be a consensus of Moderators or a majority of frequent posters. Neither has been established within this thread.

[SBR Lou]

I think BBD's heart was in the right place when he considered these options, it's a reflection more so of a very very few problem drinker posters. I think an intervention shouldn't be out of the question in order to give posters the kinds of support they need in order to avoid the infractions.

[RogueScholar]

Well...yeah...put like that it's hard to argue with. I'm all for education and intervention. I've put in my own time at 12 Step and alcohol education classes, and I can attest to the effectiveness of wise, kind, supportive action in these types of situations.

[HedgeHog]

Bust me. I'm guilty of PUI (posting while intoxicated). What's my punishment--reading all of JJ's threads today?

[bigboydan]

Bust me. I'm guilty of PUI (posting while intoxicated).

I can't without this purposed rule being in place HH.

[HedgeHog]

I can't without this purposed rule being in place HH.

That's ok.

[bigboydan]

That's ok.

Your lucky that this rule hasn't passed yet HH. Otherwise Forced to throw you into the drunk tank for the night.

[I.R.B]

good work BBD, But this will never fly with the posters..

[englishmike]

[quote=RogueScholar;1103988]EnglishMike has called me a faggot and a douchebag over a dozen times and I don't think drinking had anything to do with it, nor did any of the mods show any concern. QUOTE]

I called you a faggot because you were sharing your deviant sexual practices with the rest of the chatroom. I'm here to discuss gambling, not how sore your ass is. Maybe the mods didn't show any concern because they think your sexual habits are vile too.

You're an idiot, as is evidenced by your distain and moral crusade for people who stiff Creditwagering and then your admission you cultivate illegal drugs in the next breath. Work that hypocrisy out.

[bigboydan]

Remember EnglishMike, I can still issue infractions. So please keep it civil.

[RogueScholar]

[QUOTE=englishmike;1105301]

EnglishMike has called me a faggot and a douchebag over a dozen times and I don't think drinking had anything to do with it, nor did any of the mods show any concern. QUOTE]

I called you a faggot because you were sharing your deviant sexual practices with the rest of the chatroom. I'm here to discuss gambling, not how sore your ass is. Maybe the mods didn't show any concern because they think your sexual habits are vile too.

You're an idiot, as is evidenced by your distain and moral crusade for people who stiff Creditwagering and then your admission you cultivate illegal drugs in the next breath. Work that hypocrisy out.

So you're saying that being honest in chat about my life is worthy of your disdain?(please note the correct spelling) Is that why you asked me in chat if taking something up one's anus is painful? You even said you might try it yourself, so don't throw stones from the porch of your glass house.

I find it most amusing that you would call me an idiot in the same sentence that you display the fact that you can't spell the word disdain, even with spell-check on this forum.

I cultivate legal medicine in my state for people that suffer, much like you suffer from degenerate gambling. I hope that while I work out my "hypocrisy", you can work out your illiteracy and bigotry. You really strike me as a tortured soul, and I hope that in the end I can help you through this evil time in your life. You really should make an effort to pay CW back, it'll help you sleep at night. God bless you and keep you on your path to Gamblers' Anonymous.