Is Heritage dealing dual lines now?

[TheCentaur]

What are the current odds you are seeing for the 12:35 SF/Cin MLB moneyline? I've got +109/-117 at 12:27

[SBR_John]

MONEY LINES
TIME SF CIN
04/26 12:24 PM +112 -121
04/26 12:23 PM +111 -120
04/26 11:51 AM +113 -122
04/26 11:47 AM +107 -116
04/26 11:46 AM +108 -117

From SBR Odds

[TheCentaur]

MONEY LINES
TIME SF CIN
04/26 12:24 PM +112 -121
04/26 12:23 PM +111 -120
04/26 11:51 AM +113 -122
04/26 11:47 AM +107 -116
04/26 11:46 AM +108 -117

From SBR Odds

Yes that's what i saw on sbr odds page also, but not what i get on my Heritage page. So I guess that is a yes, they are dealing dual lines

[mtneer1212]

Yes that's what i saw on sbr odds page also, but not what i get on my Heritage page. So I guess that is a yes, they are dealing dual lines

Or perhaps there is a lag? Wouldn't "dual-lines" be more a significant difference than a couple of cents to be worth it?

[durito]

They are dealing dual soccer lines.

[jjgold]

Depends who you are

Most good books have profiling software that tracks your betting patterns

[TheCentaur]

If they start doing this I'm done with this industry, sick of this bs. Losing my ass but they need more? Hopefully just some glitch on sbr odds page

[HoulihansTX]

Shit book.

[Br0nxer]

Shit book.

[skipton]

8 cent progressive line its good

[BranchDavidian]

Maybe the Heritage lines on SBRodds are like the BetIslands lines. The BetIslands lines used to be the same as the Jazz lines before SBRodds got a feed for BetIslands. Lately, lines show up for BetIslands but they are not BetIslands lines. Numbers will show up for BetIslands even when BetIslands is not offering any odds for a market. The numbers displayed are never correct. This fact has been brought up several times in the forum, but no one seems to be too worried about it around here. Yesterday or the day before, this was brought to Jon's attention, and he said he would look into it. I got a feeling that maybe we are still getting Jazz numbers under the BetIslands column.

[TheMoneyShot]

Centaur - If you suspect dual lines... you're probably right. I was dealing with a book a year ago... perhaps it was BetOnline? Every damn time I placed a wager... when it went to the "confirm" page... the line always reduced if it was a dog... increased if it was a favorite. I was getting pissed off. So chances are... they are f'ing with your account. The only book that I think is totally honest... is 5dimes. They are pretty consistent. Never had any problems with lines.

[NSN21]

Maybe the Heritage lines on SBRodds are like the BetIslands lines. The BetIslands lines used to be the same as the Jazz lines before SBRodds got a feed for BetIslands. Lately, lines show up for BetIslands but they are not BetIslands lines. Numbers will show up for BetIslands even when BetIslands is not offering any odds for a market. The numbers displayed are never correct. This fact has been brought up several times in the forum, but no one seems to be too worried about it around here. Yesterday or the day before, this was brought to Jon's attention, and he said he would look into it. I got a feeling that maybe we are still getting Jazz numbers under the BetIslands column.

I've noticed this too. Right now I can't even rely on SBR Odds page for anything related to BI. Hopefully they can figure it out and get it squared away.

[jjgold]

I know very few books that do not have dual lines

Good business practice

[Sam Odom]

If I owned a book I would deal 3 lines - very easy to write software

Sharps would get fukked and leave... Good riddance

[choo]

If they start doing this I'm done with this industry, sick of this bs. Losing my ass but they need more? Hopefully just some glitch on sbr odds page

lol you are getting f ucking better odds on your set of lines and they also move slower.

[princecharles]

Well a regulated sportsbook would never ever try that.
Immeadiate license revocation.

And civil settlements.

[Brock Landers]

Heritage is an A+ book

[taxer]

good book they are just implementing some risk mgmt , they have alot of diff types of customers they cannot give a sharp guy who wants to pick off numbers , the same odds as someone betting for fun getting a fat bonus.

[Smoke]

If I were them I would to

Good book

[TheCentaur]

How would you feel if you walked up to a craps table and no one pays juice up front on placing the 4 and 10, but they know you and that you always play those numbers, so you have to pay juice up front.

Or you walk up to roulette where your lucky number is 19, but since you always play that it pays 30-1 instead of 35-1

Anyway, I think it was just an SBR glitch, I don't see it happening now with Heritage. Bovada is another story.

[BranchDavidian]

good book they are just implementing some risk mgmt , they have alot of diff types of customers they cannot give a sharp guy who wants to pick off numbers , the same odds as someone betting for fun getting a fat bonus.

If a book is offering +120 on one team, and -130 on its opponent, it is the books job to get as balanced action as it can ---unless it is doing its own gambling. If it starts getting one-sided action, it needs to change the odds to attract action that will balance what it already took. The odds that the book publishes are public, so yes, it can give the same odds to all comers. The way to balance action is by changing odds for everybody, not discriminating against a few of their customers. Whether that customer is betting for fun or for profit is not the way to determine what a payout should be. To put up one number, but force some customers to accept a smaller payout is tantamount to bait and switch

[chopperocker]

if they didnt, they wouldnt be sharp. would you like a sharp book or one that wont pay you.

[taxer]

exactly.. a book with no risk management giving away juicy offers is a time bomb

[BranchDavidian]

if they didnt, they wouldnt be sharp. would you like a sharp book or one that wont pay you.

The generally held belief is that Bookmaker and DSI don't deal dual lines. So, according to you, these books are not sharp. However, I don't think you need to worry about either of these books not paying. Books do not need to cheat some of their players to avoid risk. The proper way to manage risk is to move lines for all customers to balance action.

[taxer]

The generally held belief is that Bookmaker and DSI don't deal dual lines. So, according to you, these books are not sharp. However, I don't think you need to worry about either of these books not paying. Books do not need to cheat some of their players to avoid risk. The proper way to manage risk is to move lines for all customers to balance action.

True , maybe books should cut their losses and close an account they dont want to book in the end , like i said both sides have some logic

[princecharles]

I can't believe what I'm reading?!?!?

When Bodog's dual line crap was discovered and confirmed the whole forum went nuts, and rightfully so!!!

I'm a big fan of Heritage, and this is a relatively new accusation, so right now I'm guardedly optimistic, BUT YOU GUYS SHOULD NEVER, EVER MAKE EXCUSES FOR DUAL LINE DEALING.

[TheCentaur]

It was just a glitch on SBR. Everything else has been accurate.
They slashed my limits for MLB from 10k/game to 5k/game I've never even bet 1k on agame, wtf

[skrtelfan]

I can't believe what I'm reading?!?!?

When Bodog's dual line crap was discovered and confirmed the whole forum went nuts, and rightfully so!!!

Bodog's dual lines were well known before SBR's forum even existed. I knew about Bodog's dual lines before I signed up there, probably 2002 or 2003, and SBR only dates back to 2005. I don't like dual lines but Bodog's dual lines predate SBR's forum.

[skrtelfan]

Yes that's what i saw on sbr odds page also, but not what i get on my Heritage page. So I guess that is a yes, they are dealing dual lines

It is foolish for John to quote SBR lines as evidence for or against dual lines because Bodog's SBR lines page includes their public line set that nobody actually gets.

[TheCentaur]

It is foolish for John to quote SBR lines as evidence for or against dual lines because Bodog's SBR lines page includes their public line set that nobody actually gets.

Ok so this happens to everyone with them pretty much. Turns a 20 cent line into a 30 cent line. Pretty dirty and greedy IMO, because even a somewhat efficient market works it out. Seems like what they are gaining in juice is offset by the loss of volume.

[skrtelfan]

Ok so this happens to everyone with them pretty much. Turns a 20 cent line into a 30 cent line. Pretty dirty and greedy IMO, because even a somewhat efficient market works it out. Seems like what they are gaining in juice is offset by the loss of volume.

Bodog does two distinct things. One, they deal a public line set that inflates the price of many favorites and certain overs, for example basically every baseball runline will be 5 cents better for the +1.5 and worse for the -1.5. No matter how much you bet, it could be as little as the minimum, if you play a few of those good dog lines, they will switch you to the regular line set that they do not display for the public, but almost everybody actually gets. The only people who keep those "good dog lines" are the people who will bet the Pats -6 when everyone else has them -5.5, or the Pacers -9 -115 when everywhere else has them -9 -110, i.e. the people who bet the inflated favorite. They don't simply profile larger bettors, as a $25 bettor who takes Magic +9 -105 or whoever the Pats were playing +6 will quickly find himself switched to the public line. This allows them to deal a 25c line, as you note.

They also will deal lines where they have no intention of taking action on one side and only take action on the other. I.e. deal heads +100/tails -120 on a coin flip. Try to bet heads and they say "sorry, the line has moved, it is now heads -110/tails -110!" But if you try to bet tails your bet at -120 will go through. Again, allowing them to deal a 30c line.

[durito]

I know very few books that do not have dual lines

Good business practice

name the books that deal dual lines. i'll give you $1,000 if you can come up with 15 with proof.

[durito]

I can't believe what I'm reading?!?!?

When Bodog's dual line crap was discovered and confirmed the whole forum went nuts, and rightfully so!!!
.

discovered by whom?

they've been doing it since before this forum was here.

[yisman]

Bodog's dual lines were well known before SBR's forum even existed. I knew about Bodog's dual lines before I signed up there, probably 2002 or 2003, and SBR only dates back to 2005. I don't like dual lines but Bodog's dual lines predate SBR's forum.

It might've taken some time for everyone to be made aware of this. There are still people occasionally starting threads asking about it.