I'm voting for McCain

[WileOut]

college educated voters did not vote bush, i am sure of that

Here is 1 that did

I'm voting Ron Paul this time around. I would rather vote for Adolf Hitler than Obama the man full of umm, well, change....yes thats it, CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN!

What kind of change you ask? Not even Obama is sure about that but it is change man! Plus he is cool looking and thats the main thing that gets Ryan campaigning for him.

Here's a clue Obama backers, the president has little to do with how the economy is doing. Electing Obama is not going to help the economy at all. In fact he is going to tax the country to death, possibly sending us into further economic decline.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/63451-the-president-s-effect-on-the-economy-less-than-you-d-think

[ryanXL977]

top of his class harvard law
harvard law review editor
chose to serve his community rather than make cash
8 years illinois state legislature
4 years us senate

no more made up wars
thats enough for me

you guys vote neocons, its worked well

[WileOut]

But CNN tells Ryan that Bush is responsible for the economy's downturn. So it must be the truth, right Ryan?

[ryanXL977]

ryan doesnt watch cnn
common sense is free
war costs money, lies cost money, prescription drug bill costs money
everything bush touches has always turned to shit, why would now be any different

i dont have tlaking points, i dont get cues from the media, its common sense

vote for whoever you like, im done debating it with you

good luck

[flyingillini]

I am a Republican and could never vote anything else. It is pretty disturbing there is that many people that want Obama in office. It is weird.

[WileOut]

George Bush has a Masters degree from Harvard. Not too shabby.

[yisman]

at Ryan ignoring the facts, as usual.

[WileOut]

I am a Republican and could never vote anything else. It is pretty disturbing there is that many people that want Obama in office. It is weird.

It is very strange isn't it? Almost like I'm in the twilight zone or something. Its like the celebrities pick the worst possible candidate out there and the sheep flock to whoever Johnny Depp wants for president. Its mind blowing to me too illini. Just very weird, you hit the nail on the head.

Who would want a guy as president that went to a church for decades that preached hatred towards America? How is he even allowed to run, much less have a following? Nobody can come close to digging up anything half as bad on GWB, McCain, Ron Paul, or Palin. Why? Because they love their country!

[bigboydan]

I am a Republican and could never vote anything else. It is pretty disturbing there is that many people that want Obama in office. It is weird.

I'm thinking it's just a knee-jerk type of reaction after what Bush inherited and was left to clean up after Clinton screwed everything up during his term.

[NEP Dynasty]

I'm thinking it's just a knee-jerk type of reaction after what Bush inherited and was left to clean up after Clinton screwed everything up during his term.

Lol. You don't mean the 6 billion dollar surplus Clinton left our country with, which Bush turned into a multi-billion dollar deficit, do you? Enlighten me, what "mess" did Clinton leave Bush with that he had to "clean up"?

Intelligent comment.

[bigboydan]

this is flat out wrong. In the last election, college-educated people fairly easily voted for Bush over Kerry. 53-47%.

I'm just glad that Kerry isn't running, because his views are the worst of the entire bunch IMO.

[durito]

I'm thinking you all are uneducated morons. But, hey that's just me.

[Sinister Cat]

I am a Republican and could never vote anything else. It is pretty disturbing there is that many people that want Obama in office. It is weird.

So you would blindly support the republican party, regardless of who is running? Or does fact that the Republican party is so great guarantee they will always have an excellent candidate?

[Sinister Cat]

George Bush has a Masters degree from Harvard. Not too shabby.

An MBA. If his grandfather wasn't a big shot he wouldn't have got in. Wanted to go to law school but didn't get in.

[BuddyBear]

1)Reid is less popular than Bush. He's been shown to have done a worse job in his current position. Therefore, voting 95% with Reid is a very bad thing.

2)You're very wrong, and you're also a liar.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html

(straight from the liberal horse's mouth)

VOTE BY EDUCATION
BUSH KERRY NADER


Some College (32%)
54% 46% 0%
College Graduate (26%)
52% 46% 1%

So people who attended some college were 54-46% for Bush. Graduates were 52-46% for Bush.

Your stupidity of Democrats are more educated is full of holes.

Hmm, this is where having a quantitative and social scientific background comes in very handy. You are misinterpreting the data Yisman. Sure, you could conclude that "college graduates" were more likely to vote for Bush, but that does not tell the whole story.

In fact, the conclusion you should arrive at is that better educated people voted Democrat at a statistically significant rate. Education is a continuous variable. That is it is measured on scale that is continuous (i.e. 1, 2, 3, .......17, etc....). In this data analysis that was performed, the researchers treated the education variable as a categorical variable measured on an ordinal scale. When you collapse data like that you lose a lot of information and meaning in the data. However, when you treat it as a regular continous variable you'll find for every year of education you have, you were significantly more likely to vote for John Kerry than you were for George Bush. In addition, the fact that Nader received 1% from both college graduates and post-graduates provides further validatin that education and liberalism are correlated.

In other words, it is fair to say that the less education you have the more likely you are to not vote Democrat/hold conservative attitudes.

[reno cool]

Alright, I acquiesce, you did okay on Georgia, although there are finer economic points which drove the whole situation. Take note that Russia has suspended trading since Tuesday on its two major stock exchanges for fear of a major economic collapse.

About the Civil War, I have no respect for the Confederacy, considering they too were making war for economic reasons. They were making literal boatloads of money with the inexpensive slave labor, compared to the industrial companies in the North which had to pay for all their labor. When the North said, and I paraphrase, "You have to pay the slaves a real wage for all their work", the South revolted.

In essence, the South said they'd rather send their sons to die on the battlefield than act like decent human beings and pay the blacks for their labor. How do you respond to that?

This last sentence. Its the essence of US foreign policy.
At least I can understand you. You'll run to Portugal when shit hits the fan (when you can no longer bleed the US economy) like a true business man.

[bigboydan]

I'm thinking you all are uneducated morons. But, hey that's just me.

Just because others have different political views Durito.

[yisman]

Hmm, this is where having a quantitative and social scientific background comes in very handy. You are misinterpreting the data Yisman. Sure, you could conclude that "college graduates" were more likely to vote for Bush, but that does not tell the whole story.

In fact, the conclusion you should arrive at is that better educated people voted Democrat at a statistically significant rate. Education is a continuous variable. That is it is measured on scale that is continuous (i.e. 1, 2, 3, .......17, etc....). In this data analysis that was performed, the researchers treated the education variable as a categorical variable measured on an ordinal scale. When you collapse data like that you lose a lot of information and meaning in the data. However, when you treat it as a regular continous variable you'll find for every year of education you have, you were significantly more likely to vote for John Kerry than you were for George Bush. In addition, the fact that Nader received 1% from both college graduates and post-graduates provides further validatin that education and liberalism are correlated.

In other words, it is fair to say that the less education you have the more likely you are to not vote Democrat/hold conservative attitudes.

people with no HS went for Kerry more than Bush. People with college went for Bush over Kerry. Uneducated people and ones with postgrad study favored Kerry. Some college and college graduates favored Bush. It's really that simple.

The uneducated go Democrat more than they go Republican.

[bleuze]

Most are too young to know this -
1) Kennedy's dad had a building built at Harvard since the son was caught cheating and was going to be thrown out
2) Kennedy's dad paid the Chicago machine for votes since the community organizers were known to raise people from the dead to register
3) Ted Kennedy committed murder when he was young - Senior Kennedy once again bailed him out

If you are afraid of Obama's policies as much as I am, please pass the following links to your friends and post to as many forums as possible (ad breaks next week for the debate)

http://www.remedyguidance.com/obama.html

[BuddyBear]

people with no HS went for Kerry more than Bush. People with college went for Bush over Kerry. Uneducated people and ones with postgrad study favored Kerry. Some college and college graduates favored Bush. It's really that simple.

The uneducated go Democrat more than they go Republican.

No, actually you are very wrong. The less education you have, the more likely you were to vote for Bush. Please either Don Juan or Durito please explain to this guy why that is the case.

[ryanXL977]

Most are too young to know this -
1) Kennedy's dad had a building built at Harvard since the son was caught cheating and was going to be thrown out
2) Kennedy's dad paid the Chicago machine for votes since the community organizers were known to raise people from the dead to register
3) Ted Kennedy committed murder when he was young - Senior Kennedy once again bailed him out

If you are afraid of Obama's policies as much as I am, please pass the following links to your friends and post to as many forums as possible (ad breaks next week for the debate)

http://www.remedyguidance.com/obama.html

if you seriously want to visit the sins of the father upon the son, then you will be angry with the bushes for prescotts dealing with the nazis.
you throw a lot of stones for a guy living in a huge glass house

[reno cool]

the problem is many of you are so set in your ignorant views that you refuse to learn anything even if 50 facts are thrown in your face. Cognitive dissonance is a bitch.
Admit that you're war mongering shitbags. You believe other people are beneath you and need to be told what to do or be destroyed. You fancy yourself on the side of those screwing the world and everything in it, instead of those getting screwed(which is probably where you really are). <<< This should be the McCain slogan.

[sir.civic]

this is too funny its jst like capping a game... but on this one i believe obama is still ahead by few percentage but im not buyin that poll bcoz once the debate begins obama is gna get drilled..that slogan he alwayz says about change? its gna apply to him, he needs to be"changed" im an independent voter and im pro mccain for dis election.some1 who actually did something for dis country.
obama:
closet muslim? ( he has muslims supporters)(9/11?)
add tax? ( "i barely make money")
wont swear on the bible? ("i remember dis country is based on a christian religion")
"CHANGE"? ( we dont need change we need paper bills (cash) you can keep your change )
what changes do you plan to do? (he said he will talk about that wen he is in position....huh? wat? (harvard?) lol
war in iraq?...nbc n cbs n other networks are democrats they only report negative thoughts...."i rather have militaries who signed up to serve dis country to protect me from iraq, rather than sending them back here and us getting terrorist attacks"

"y do people alwayz link mccain to bush? der 2 different people,n y blame everything on bush?if any1 of you follow politics its all bcoz of clinton y dis sh!t is happening with that retaliation bombing after that submarine.look at the whole world were not the only 1 suffering dis is global, its not bcoz bush" stop watching nbc you obama supporters watch fox, n watch those democrats get drilled w/ facts about their political party"

heres my 2cents

MCCAIN FOR PRESIDENT.

[ryanXL977]

wish i could read jibberish
check that
glad i cannot

[yisman]

No, actually you are very wrong. The less education you have, the more likely you were to vote for Bush. Please either Don Juan or Durito please explain to this guy why that is the case.

The uneducated voted for Kerry more often than they voted for Bush. Please stop trying to spin this.

The facts speak for themselves. The uneducated vote Democrat more often than they vote Republican.

[BuddyBear]

The uneducated voted for Kerry more often than they voted for Bush. Please stop trying to spin this.

The facts speak for themselves. The uneducated vote Democrat more often than they vote Republican.

Somebody please help me out here.

Education is positively associated with support for Kerry. The more education you have the more likely you are to support the Democratic candidate. How could you possibly conclude otherwise from that data? Education does not stop with a BA from undergrad just to let you know.

[XFactor09]

The only reason to vote for McCain is if Palin signs on to do a playboy shoot or a Vivid video production after elected.

[bigboydan]

How can vote for Obama with the his financial advisers being Fannie May and Freddie Mac?

[bleuze]

Obama not only has advisors from those, he was also able to be the #2 person (although he wasn't in Congress for 20 years) to getmoney from them. But that doesn't count as long as the suckers that pay taxes bail them out. Afterall, the advisors only made $90 million!
By the way both Obama (#2) and Dodd (#1) voted agaisnt McCain bill to regulate them two years ago!

"In the aftermath of the Enron collapse and other accounting scandals, he was a leader, with Sen. Carl M. Levin (D-Mich.), in pushing to require that companies treat stock options granted to employees as expenses on their balance sheets. ... Mr. McCain was an early voice calling for the resignation of Securities and Exchange Commission Chairman Harvey Pitt, charging that he 'seems to prefer industry self-policing to necessary lawmaking. Government's demands for corporate accountability are only credible if government executives are held accountable as well.' In 2006, he pushed for stronger regulation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- while Mr. Obama was notably silent." -- The Washington Post

[yisman]

Somebody please help me out here.

Education is positively associated with support for Kerry. The more education you have the more likely you are to support the Democratic candidate. How could you possibly conclude otherwise from that data? Education does not stop with a BA from undergrad just to let you know.

the point had nothing to do with post-BA education!

The idiot was saying that the uneducated vote Republican. The link disproves that. End of story.

[tacomax]

In fact, the conclusion you should arrive at is that better educated people voted Democrat at a statistically significant rate.

Can you really come to that conclusion? I don't see any standard deviations to enable you to test for any statistical significance - for all you know the %s may be accurate to only +/- 10%. And, bearing in mind the level of drivel at CNN I wouldn't trust them to tell me unbiased news never mind to organise a survey made up of unbiased random samples.

Education is a continuous variable. That is it is measured on scale that is continuous (i.e. 1, 2, 3, .......17, etc....). In this data analysis that was performed, the researchers treated the education variable as a categorical variable measured on an ordinal scale. When you collapse data like that you lose a lot of information and meaning in the data.

I see, you've changed things now. First you can infer something and now suggest you can't infer anything due to the set-up of the data collection. I see your point though.

In addition, the fact that Nader received 1% from both college graduates and post-graduates provides further validatin that education and liberalism are correlated.

Wait - so now you can infer things. I get it now.

If it is saying anything against what you think is true (and bear in mind you're wrong a lot more than you're right) then you say there are issues with the data. But if it agrees with what you think is true then it's a totally correct representation of the truth.

Here ya go, BuddyBear - this might be a bit advanced for you, but try your best, OK?

[ChuteBoxe]

McCain for me as well.

[BuddyBear]

Can you really come to that conclusion? I don't see any standard deviations to enable you to test for any statistical significance - for all you know the %s may be accurate to only +/- 10%. And, bearing in mind the level of drivel at CNN I wouldn't trust them to tell me unbiased news never mind to organise a survey made up of unbiased random samples.



I see, you've changed things now. First you can infer something and now suggest you can't infer anything due to the set-up of the data collection. I see your point though.



Wait - so now you can infer things. I get it now.

If it is saying anything against what you think is true (and bear in mind you're wrong a lot more than you're right) then you say there are issues with the data. But if it agrees with what you think is true then it's a totally correct representation of the truth.

Here ya go, BuddyBear - this might be a bit advanced for you, but try your best, OK?

Taco, do you just try to be a smart ass or do you have anything serious to contribute? I guarantee you that Tacomax agrees 100% with everything I said, but was so bored that he thought he would try to show us how smart he is. Guess what, you are still an idiot.

I stand by my premise that education is positively associated with vote choice for Kerry.

Let's break things down a bit for you so I can show you and Yisman how to properly interpret this data. Sure, you don't want to say it is a statistically significant relationship, then so be it but if you want to pretend that no such relationship exists, then fine. I will concede that "statistically significant" should have not have been used with such authority (but let's not deny the obvious).

1) Let's begin with Yisman's main argument that more uneducated people voted more for Kerry.

Well quite simply you could go to the category underneath and find that not to be the case. Those without a college degree tended to vote for Bush at a slightly higher rate of 53% to 47%. So in that case, less education meant you were more likely to vote Bush.

In addition, like I stated before, education is a variable that is continuous in nature. When you collapse it, you lose a lot of meaning. Is it fair to treat someone with "some college" who completed 1 year as opposed to 4 years the same? Probably not, but this is more a theoretical question than anything else. But when you collapse this information and treat them the same, then there is no distinction.

In reality, it is well documented in a number of different research literatures that the more education you have the more liberal you become. When we treat education as our IV in this case and vote outcome as our DV we see that those with the highest level of education voted for Kerry. Why is that so hard to see? In other words, the voting segment with the highest level of education voted for Kerry more than they did for Bush. Okay, we'll avoid saying at a 'statistically significant" rate to appease Tacomax but he knows it is statisically significant but just wants to be a jackass.

Sadly, this same categorization of the data is unfortunate for post-grad. Anyone who has gone to grad school knows programs vary. A 2-year nursing program is much different than a 9-year Ph.D program in History both in time and in substance. Yet, it is all treated the same here. And the fact that Nader garnered a percent among college grads and post-grads provides more evidence about this relationship between education and vote choice. This is a form of reliability that researchers use to understand relationships. In the social and behavioral sciences this is referred to as "construct validity."

Treat education as a continous variable and I would lay quite a bit of money that it would be a significant predictor of Kerry vote choice.

2) The uneducated voted for Kerry more often than they voted for Bush. Please stop trying to spin this.

The facts speak for themselves. The uneducated vote Democrat more often than they vote Republican.


So how should we possibly explain the fact that those with no high school degree voted at a 50%-49% rate for Kerry? In fact, if you looked at each category you might find something very interesting. Why is it that people without a HS degree voted at a higher rate for Kerry than they did for Bush? Does Yisman really have a point here??? Ummm, no he does not.
There is a perfectly logical explantion here. It's called an interaction term. So what possibly could interact with education level and vote choice. Hmmm, let's say race? Being black probably moderated the relationship between education and vote choice for those respondents without a HS degree. In all probability, those people who were uneducated and black voted for Kerry, while those who were non-black and uneducated did not vote for him

So how do we know that is not the case for every education level? Easy. Blacks voted at a statistically significant rate for Kerry over Bush in every education segment. Right?

Did Whites?

There is your answer, better educated whites probably voted for Kerry at a higher rate than they did Bush. For Blacks, it does not matter. They vote Democrat regardless of education level (no HS, HS degree, Some college, college grad, & post grad), so you can't really say better educated blacks were significantly more likely to vote Kerry (in fact, it might even be reverse)....but in all likelihood better educated whites voted for Kerry.

Now, I am making some "inferential" statements here based on descriptive data so it's more speculative, but based on a strong theoretical framework, past research, and common sense it would be difficult to arrive at any other conclusion that the one I've presented to you.

[BuddyBear]

Here ya go, BuddyBear - this might be a bit advanced for you, but try your best, OK?

Oh and go **** yourself if you think you know more about stats than I do Taco.....

[reno cool]

the other problem is who gives a shit. I'm sure there is a lot of "educated" assholes who figure to benefit from murderous policy.