I'm voting for McCain

[WileOut]

cnn is liberal bc you say its liberal? maybe in the 1960s they were, but there is no such thing as liberal media. they bend over backwards to make sure they are down the middle. so much that they wont call bush what he is, a criminal. so much that they actually treat palin as a legit vp choice

anyone who parrots that the media is liberal is taking their talking points from someone, not sure who it could be, but its not the truth

give me more talking points you learned, i love them. they are very well thought out

Ummmmmm CNN not liberal?

Have a nice life Ryan.

[Mr Handicapable]

Also it is a fact that you get wiser as you get older. So how do you explain that Obama has all the 18-25 year old votes locked up 80%? Partying kids.

While the older people who know things will vote McCain. Explain this?

WRONG!! Old people will vote for McCain because he is old/white! Why does a Democrat always lead with college educated people. Why do Blue states always have more college graduates, higher incomes, higher property values, kids w/higher SAT scores, and are healthier (lower obesity rates)? Why is that? For the record...I live in a Red state!

[WileOut]

Our foreign policy has nothing to do with our society as a whole. Our current foreign policy, the "Bush Doctrine", is to kick ass whenever it's profitable for the private sector.

The average American is a total sheep, taking as little interest in world affairs as possible, and hating on anyone who disagrees with them. If our Founding Fathers were to come back to life and hang out with us, they wouldn't even recognize the country they worked so hard to create. Americans are sheep and will continue to be sheep until things get so bad that we have another generation of Founding Fathers to lead us in throwing off the shackles of iniquity.

I live in the south son I dont know where you are from but the average person down here would die for America and knows more about world affairs than the people in those other countries do.

[WileOut]

Also it is a fact that you get wiser as you get older. So how do you explain that Obama has all the 18-25 year old votes locked up 80%? Partying kids.

While the older people who know things will vote McCain. Explain this?

WRONG!! Old people will vote for McCain because he is old/white! Why does a Democrat always lead with college educated people. Why do Blue states always have more college graduates, higher incomes, higher property values, kids w/higher SAT scores, and are healthier (lower obesity rates)? Why is that? For the record...I live in a Red state!

Because California happens to be the state with the longest coastline? lol.

Show me a poll that says democrats are smarter than republicans and I will show you 3 that say the opposite.

Also it has to do with demographics. A very high percentage of southern people are black and live in projects. Much higher than any other area of the country. These people don't vote BTW but they affect our SAT scores.

[ryanXL977]

I live in the south son I dont know where you are from but the average person down here would die for America and knows more about world affairs than the people in those other countries do.

if theyd die for their country, and not just talk the talk, then they should go fight bc our military is stretched thin

i am from texas, where people talk a lot and anyone making less than a mill or so voting gop is a ****ing brain dead retard

you talk and tlak and have no evidence.

cnn is liberal why? bc you say it is. prove it. the south has lower education rates, white and every other race, than any other part of the country. higher pregnancy rates, higher divorce rates, and lower test scores and less income

keep votin gop!!!yee haw

love your country? then go fight those damned terrorists

[RogueScholar]

I live in the south son I dont know where you are from but the average person down here would die for America and knows more about world affairs than the people in those other countries do.

I'm at a loss for where to begin on this one. First of all, if you were wondering where I'm from you might actually read the Location tag under my name on all my posts.

And with all due respect to the South, I seriously doubt that people in the South know more about world affairs than your average foreigner. Let's remember that the South's greatest current achievement is filling racetracks all over the country with over 100,000 people to watch a bunch of uber-taxis go 'round and 'round in circles.

So in closing, tell me what you know about the underpinnings for the current turmoil in Georgia. Oh, and here's a hint, the Georgia I'm referring to doesn't have any cities named Atlanta.

[ryanXL977]

I'm at a loss for where to begin on this one. First of all, if you were wondering where I'm from you might actually read the Location tag under my name on all my posts.

And with all due respect to the South, I seriously doubt that people in the South know more about world affairs than your average foreigner. Let's remember that the South's greatest current achievement is filling racetracks all over the country with over 100,000 people to watch a bunch of uber-taxis go 'round and 'round in circles.

So in closing, tell me what you know about the underpinnings for the current turmoil in Georgia. Oh, and here's a hint, the Georgia I'm referring to doesn't have any cities named Atlanta.

yep, there aint a stat in the universe that shows people in the south are anything but, in general, the least educated, least paid, highest teen pregnancy, highest divorce, fattest, and least educated about affairs of their state, nation, and world, than any other demo in the us of a

[Mr Handicapable]

A good argument could be made that a college degree doesn't beat common sense but this last 8 years of good old boy Bushism's hasn't worked! Trickle down economics doesn't work! John Wayne diplomacy doesn't work! I voted for Reagan and I don't think for a second that Obama can make all these programs happen with the hole we're in but he is the perfect anti-Bush (smart, self-made man) and thats a start for me! McCain is old school military and thinks we can really WIN a great victory if we just give more blood and try harder! Hell, why not go back to Vietnam for round 2? There WILL NEVER BE DEMOCRACY in the Middle East! EVER!

[WileOut]

I'm at a loss for where to begin on this one. First of all, if you were wondering where I'm from you might actually read the Location tag under my name on all my posts.

And with all due respect to the South, I seriously doubt that people in the South know more about world affairs than your average foreigner. Let's remember that the South's greatest current achievement is filling racetracks all over the country with over 100,000 people to watch a bunch of uber-taxis go 'round and 'round in circles.

So in closing, tell me what you know about the underpinnings for the current turmoil in Georgia. Oh, and here's a hint, the Georgia I'm referring to doesn't have any cities named Atlanta.

Long story short, Russia wants Georgia under its still communist regime, Georgians dont want anything to do with Russia, we sent warships to help the Georgia people who were bullied by Russia and now Russia and the Venezualan attention whore are threatening USA which leads Bush to laugh out loud daily at.

BTW it is the southern people who are the only people in United States history that had the balls to stand up to American government and declare a nation of their own and send their sons to die for it.

Also, you must have just put that northern california there it wasn't there before and I dont read many of your posts.

[daggerkobe]

you always forget to mention it was the democrats that wanted it then, while the republicans didn't.

but roles reversed now huh?? i don't trust either one of them, and i think anyone that does is a fool.

so you can be a fool for the dems and throw sand at the fools for reps, but whoever wins doesnt matter, you both will still be fools, and the dems and reps will still have all the power.

Right.... funny how Bush's policies were always shaped by what the Democrats wanted.

The truth of the matter was, NO ONE CARED about Somalia. Bush sent troops to Somalia because he wanted to boost his dwindling approval rating but instead caused a quagmire with no exit strategy and left Clinton to clean up his mess.

[ryanXL977]

Long story short, Russia wants Georgia under its still communist regime, Georgians dont want anything to do with Russia, we sent warships to help the Georgia people who were bullied by Russia and now Russia and the Venezualan attention whore are threatening USA which leads Bush to laugh out loud daily at.

BTW it is the southern people who are the only people in United States history that had the balls to stand up to American government and declare a nation of their own and send their sons to die for it.

Also, you must have just put that northern california there it wasn't there before and I dont read many of your posts.

so you are bragging about fighting the civil war? its over, your side lost. if you want slaves, then you are in the wrong country.


not one person who is alive in the south had anything to do with the civil war, why even bring it up

[BadNina]

Should have let us leave when we wanted to...

[reno cool]

Those who would fight for this country should be fighting right now. And its not foreigners they should be fighting.
If only the poor whites would figure out who's truly oppressing them and fight against it we would have democracy in the usa.

Stop being apologists for the rich. They'll shit on you at the first opportunity. And so they have. Religious fantasy is just a trick they use. They only use it to stupefy you, and keep you in line.

[ryanXL977]

what country we might have had if we had let the south secede

that would raise our national iq by 15 pts, and what do we need the south for? their brilliant inventions like the pc, the car, the internet, etc?

oh wait....

[RogueScholar]

Long story short, Russia wants Georgia under its still communist regime, Georgians dont want anything to do with Russia, we sent warships to help the Georgia people who were bullied by Russia and now Russia and the Venezualan attention whore are threatening USA which leads Bush to laugh out loud daily at.

BTW it is the southern people who are the only people in United States history that had the balls to stand up to American government and declare a nation of their own and send their sons to die for it.

Also, you must have just put that northern california there it wasn't there before and I dont read many of your posts.

Alright, I acquiesce, you did okay on Georgia, although there are finer economic points which drove the whole situation. Take note that Russia has suspended trading since Tuesday on its two major stock exchanges for fear of a major economic collapse.

About the Civil War, I have no respect for the Confederacy, considering they too were making war for economic reasons. They were making literal boatloads of money with the inexpensive slave labor, compared to the industrial companies in the North which had to pay for all their labor. When the North said, and I paraphrase, "You have to pay the slaves a real wage for all their work", the South revolted.

In essence, the South said they'd rather send their sons to die on the battlefield than act like decent human beings and pay the blacks for their labor. How do you respond to that?

[ryanXL977]

trickle down economics

yee hawwwwww

hows that working out for the last 30 years
these people dont think, they parrot
consveratives are just so reactionary, its sad

[RogueScholar]

Right.... funny how Bush's policies were always shaped by what the Democrats wanted.

The truth of the matter was, NO ONE CARED about Somalia. Bush sent troops to Somalia because he wanted to boost his dwindling approval rating but instead caused a quagmire with no exit strategy and left Clinton to clean up his mess.

Why would Papa Bush care about his approval rating when the election had already been decided in favor of his opponent? Chances are he was much busier pardoning irredeemable people, much like Sex-a-holic Clinton was doing in the waning days of his administration.

[BadNina]

Mr. Scholar, the argument can be made that the South left because the Southern people of the time strongly objected to being told what they could and couldn't do by the DC crowd. They felt that the state's had inalienable rights that the federal government could not and did not need to trample on.

[ryanXL977]

thats a very simple version of events
a junior high interpretation i think

i thought ninja was smarter than that

less dogma, more thinking

[BadNina]

Ryan, I was trying to make it to where you could understand it. I am very glad I succeeded!!!

Let's be bff's and have a tea party.

[daggerkobe]

Why would Papa Bush care about his approval rating when the election had already been decided in favor of his opponent? Chances are he was much busier pardoning irredeemable people, much like Sex-a-holic Clinton was doing in the waning days of his administration.

Why don't you ask him why?

No one wanted him to send troops to Somalia, certainly not the demos. He even visited there for photo ops while promising to bring them all home by Clinton's inauguration.

Just like "Read my lips: NO NEW TAXES!!!!!!" he failed to live up to his word.

[ryanXL977]

fine, tea it is

[WileOut]

Alright, I acquiesce, you did okay on Georgia, although there are finer economic points which drove the whole situation. Take note that Russia has suspended trading since Tuesday on its two major stock exchanges for fear of a major economic collapse.

About the Civil War, I have no respect for the Confederacy, considering they too were making war for economic reasons. They were making literal boatloads of money with the inexpensive slave labor, compared to the industrial companies in the North which had to pay for all their labor. When the North said, and I paraphrase, "You have to pay the slaves a real wage for all their work", the South revolted.

In essence, the South said they'd rather send their sons to die on the battlefield than act like decent human beings and pay the blacks for their labor. How do you respond to that?

Black slaves were just as prevalent in the north as they were in the south. The north just stopped first, I think 20 years before the civil war the north saw the light and set them free. People seem to forget that. It wasn't just the south who had slaves.

I admit, the south was wrong on the slave issue but the civil war was fought over unfair taxes placed on the south just as much as it was over slaves. The bottom line is that the southern people had the balls to set up a capital in a neighboring state of Washington DC and declare all out war. And with not a tenth of the people or resources they managed to outfight the north for 4 years before the north finally won simply because they had most of the industrial strength.

Dont get me wrong I am not for slavery, I'm just saying the southern people stood up for what they believed in and backed it up with the sword. This goes back to our original discussion about how americans are sheep. I disagree and my people in the south proved it.

Also as a country we continue to have military enrollment at the same pace as we did pre- 9-11. This shows our kids are not scared of fighting wars because they know they will likely go to war when they sign up. This also proves that Americans are not sheep.

[RogueScholar]

Nina, you can't divorce that sense of self-determination from the realities underlying the decision. Are you really saying that an individual state in the United States of America has the right to decide that human slavery is acceptable if economically expedient?

....I really hate ending up on the same side of the argument as Ryan....

[ryanXL977]

fu

[BadNina]

Nina, you can't divorce that sense of self-determination from the realities underlying the decision. Are you really saying that an individual state in the United States of America has the right to decide that human slavery is acceptable if economically expedient?

....I really hate ending up on the same side of the argument as Ryan....

I am not making any argument for slavery. There were people living in the South in that era that were anti-slavery that fought against the Union because they believed very strongly in State's Rights. They believed that anything that was not spelled out in the Constitution was up to the individual state and the federal government had no right to say otherwise.


Again, nutshell version.

[ryanXL977]

if these people are so patriotic and informed, then seriously, they should go fight, our military is stretched thin and we have a few mor wars left in us before we go out in flames

[RogueScholar]

Black slaves were just as prevalent in the north as they were in the south. The north just stopped first, I think 20 years before the civil war the north saw the light and set them free. People seem to forget that. It wasn't just the south who had slaves.

I admit, the south was wrong on the slave issue but the civil war was fought over unfair taxes placed on the south just as much as it was over slaves. The bottom line is that the southern people had the balls to set up a capital in a neighboring state of Washington DC and declare all out war. And with not a tenth of the people or resources they managed to outfight the north for 4 years before the north finally won simply because they had most of the industrial strength.

Dont get me wrong I am not for slavery, I'm just saying the southern people stood up for what they believed in and backed it up with the sword. This goes back to our original discussion about how americans are sheep. I disagree and my people in the south proved it.

And the reason for those taxes being levied was the fact that free labor in the South gave those States a HUGE economic advantage which wasn't fair to the North. And I say again, the South was more ready to kill their sons than accept that slavery, and the windfall profits derived from it, were fundamentally wrong. There are strong parallels to the oil companies, also largely represented in the South, who are getting rich off the backs of the new slave class, known to us as the middle class, by placing higher emphasis on their own bottom line than on the greater good.

[ryanXL977]

and yet they fall for it hook line and sinker
its unreal
its so obvious to, but its wrapped in the flag, jesus, and guns and they just cant see thru it

[losturmarbles]

Mr. Scholar, the argument can be made that the South left because the Southern people of the time strongly objected to being told what they could and couldn't do by the DC crowd. They felt that the state's had inalienable rights that the federal government could not and did not need to trample on.

good point
the loss of state's sovereignty to the federal government was the underlying reason for the war, but slavery was the driving force or a selling point for both sides.
slavery was abolished in every other major country without a civil war.

the states finished losing their sovereignty with the passing of the 17th amendment.

[Cloak & Dagger]

Ummmmmm CNN not liberal?

Have a nice life Ryan.

lmfao

I think McCain is just Bush all over again

but CNN IS NOT for the repubs...even I know that

[ryanXL977]

waiting for proof, as usual

[Cloak & Dagger]

if these people are so patriotic and informed, then seriously, they should go fight, our military is stretched thin and we have a few mor wars left in us before we go out in flames

why are you of all people talking about "patriots?"

when just yesterday you said it was ok for Josh Howard to spit on the national anthem




I see your goal of 250,000 posts by the end of the year is well within reach

I just wonder if you remember what outside looks like

[RogueScholar]

I am not making any argument for slavery. There were people living in the South in that era that were anti-slavery that fought against the Union because they believed very strongly in State's Rights. They believed that anything that was not spelled out in the Constitution was up to the individual state and the federal government had no right to say otherwise.

But again I am compelled to disagree. I do believe that the South was vehemently in favor of States' Rights. I don't believe that they would have seceded from the Union and sent their sons to die if the issue had no effect on their bottom lines. For instance, many of the Southern States, being deeply religious, are majority pro-life, like me. But since abortion doesn't stop the flow of money to their populace, they are content to abide by the majority decision of the country as a whole. I believe it took the threat of lower incomes to drive the Secession movement.

[ryanXL977]

why are you of all people talking about "patriots?"

when just yesterday you said it was ok for Josh Howard to spit on the national anthem




I see your goal of 250,000 posts by the end of the year is well within reach

I just wonder if you remember what outside looks like

i said howard could spit on the national anthem? at any point in any conversation you have, can you not lie. do you understand that by lying to make points, your points become invalid
have you graduated college, or high school at least? seriously.
unfounded claims, lies, and your picks, most of all, are awful

fading you is free cash
good call on the jets dude