A Fact About Australian Sportsbooks

[shari91]

Brettels, seriously, Hareeba is not a shill. You were advertising in Promos for a certain Aussie book before the Sports Promos forum was shut down today so it's not like you're looking at this situation from a completely unbiased perspective.

Hareeba is an advocate of exchanges and has been kicked from most UK affiliated books as many have. He's going to chime in those threads. If you can't play at most books and aren't willing to deposit offshore, you're left with exchanges and one or two Asian books so it's natural that's what he's talking about. I'm a way less serious bettor than he'd ever be and I've been limited at a few - and on certain bets at 2 Aussie books now - to the point where it's impossible to play. I'm not some betting guru by any means. Aussie books are safe but they are the vanilla creme of the betting world. You get crappy lines and "fun things" like PYOL at Centrebet and Sportsbet... those PYOL's are there because the majority of people lose just like with any other parlay but it's a good way to suck people in. You're both coming from two different sides of the betting spectrum but there's no need to constantly butt heads. If anything, you might be able to share info so one or both of you could profit.

[jjgold]

Its good but its really a horse book

The New Zealand Tote Pools actually rival Aussie pools

Live Betting is legal there as opposed to Australia

The sportsbook software is lousy, way too many clicks to make a bet
US Sports just average..odds ok..very safe of course Gov't Regulated

TAB's are not known for user friendly software

[brettels]

You have accused me of defending the undefendable yet when called upon to provide an example you can't/won't.

Just so typical of the cowards on this forum.

Put up or shut up.

It's like the whole sports alive and bet247 situation. bet247 was in fact white label, but no matter what you would never accept the fact. so theres no point going out of ones way to prove anything to you.

[brettels]

Brettels, seriously, Hareeba is not a shill. You were advertising in Promos for a certain Aussie book before the Sports Promos forum was shut down today so it's not like you're looking at this situation from a completely unbiased perspective.

Hareeba is an advocate of exchanges and has been kicked from most UK affiliated books as many have. He's going to chime in those threads. If you can't play at most books and aren't willing to deposit offshore, you're left with exchanges and one or two Asian books so it's natural that's what he's talking about. I'm a way less serious bettor than he'd ever be and I've been limited at a few - and on certain bets at 2 Aussie books now - to the point where it's impossible to play. I'm not some betting guru by any means. Aussie books are safe but they are the vanilla creme of the betting world. You get crappy lines and "fun things" like PYOL at Centrebet and Sportsbet... those PYOL's are there because the majority of people lose just like with any other parlay but it's a good way to suck people in. You're both coming from two different sides of the betting spectrum but there's no need to constantly butt heads. If anything, you might be able to share info so one or both of you could profit.

Fair enough but you have to be skeptical about someone who never posts outside of the sportsbook and industry section, how can he help when he says he is here to learn but still throws out insults and can never handle a betfair situation by another player, he even thinks justin7 is full of shyte.

You have spoken, i'll avoid him from now on.

[Hareeba!]

Its good but its really a horse book

The New Zealand Tote Pools actually rival Aussie pools

Live Betting is legal there as opposed to Australia

The sportsbook software is lousy, way too many clicks to make a bet
US Sports just average..odds ok..very safe of course Gov't Regulated

TAB's are not known for user friendly software

A couple of advantages NZTAB has:
They open for business a couple of hours earlier than the Aussie totes and many of the bookies.
They have fixed odds on NZ horses - something you can't get in Australia

A couple of negatives:
They won't permit Victorian residents to join thanks to an (illegal I believe) cost deal between them and Racing Victoria.
I am told that they are quick to limit players.

[hawley]

Do the Australian books close overnight as well Hareeba?

One of the most annoying this with the TAB here is their business hours don't open until around 8.30. So anything over night must be booked before midnight.

[brettels]

Shari there is something wrong with this thread, and many others. It says there is a poll in them but there never is.

[Hareeba!]

Fair enough but you have to be skeptical about someone who never posts outside of the sportsbook and industry section, how can he help when he says he is here to learn but still throws out insults and can never handle a betfair situation by another player, he even thinks justin7 is full of shyte.

You have spoken, i'll avoid him from now on.

Why should I post in any other section? This is the material which interests me and there's enough in this forum. I don't have time for all the rest.

I don't go throwing out insults unless it is in retaliation after myself being insulted and wow! I've copped bucketloads of them for no good reason.

Again I ask you to put up or shut up unless you can provide an example of where I've defended Betfair without fair justification. And I've never said Justin is "full of shyte" - show me where. I have disagreed with some of his conclusions which it seems to me have been arrived at without full knowledge of the facts. But he's far from alone in doing that.

[Hareeba!]

Do the Australian books close overnight as well Hareeba?

One of the most annoying this with the TAB here is their business hours don't open until around 8.30. So anything over night must be booked before midnight.

I think some are manned overnight but certainly not all. The smaller sites remain open but mostly you won't get bets accepted until they open up. The TABs are improving and do stay open very late for big events but they're not yet 24/7operations.

[shari91]

Fair enough but you have to be skeptical about someone who never posts outside of the sportsbook and industry section, how can he help when he says he is here to learn but still throws out insults and can never handle a betfair situation by another player, he even thinks justin7 is full of shyte.

You have spoken, i'll avoid him from now on.

Hell no... don't avoid anyone! But maybe just try to look at his stance from a bit of a different perspective. There are several posters that solely post in Sportsbook and Industry... maybe the random post in the Think Tank ie Santo, sharpcat, durito, HedgeHog. This is primarily a sportsbook review site and that's what it was created for. There are many different branches to it now but some people are still here foremost for that purpose. Either to gain or share knowledge so the purists stay in here whereas people like you and I flit around a bit.

As for the poll issue, you're the second person who's mentioned that to me so I'm going to pass it along to Admin. It *might* be a bit before it gets rectified just because of the other tweaks ahead of it so just bear with us in the meantime!

[brettels]

But maybe just try to look at his stance from a bit of a different perspective.

No problem, I would like to see the same in return.

[sickler]

10:14 gave 11:11 a stiffie.

"You have spoken"

If only it was that easy with all of us, eh, Shari.

[nick86]

Hell no... don't avoid anyone! But maybe just try to look at his stance from a bit of a different perspective. There are several posters that solely post in Sportsbook and Industry... maybe the random post in the Think Tank ie Santo, sharpcat, durito, HedgeHog. This is primarily a sportsbook review site and that's what it was created for. There are many different branches to it now but some people are still here foremost for that purpose. Either to gain or share knowledge so the purists stay in here whereas people like you and I flit around a bit.

As for the poll issue, you're the second person who's mentioned that to me so I'm going to pass it along to Admin. It *might* be a bit before it gets rectified just because of the other tweaks ahead of it so just bear with us in the meantime!

Can we see your ?

[jjgold]

Tatts Group/Unitab out of Queenslan does not stay open 24 hrs a day
Actually a few smaller Aussie books do not accept wagers when office is closed (Topsport, sportsbetting.com.au)

[Domestic]

Tatts Group/Unitab out of Queenslan does not stay open 24 hrs a day
Actually a few smaller Aussie books do not accept wagers when office is closed (Topsport, sportsbetting.com.au)

Sportingbet, Centrebet, Sportsbet, Luxbet all do, that is enough for me.

[jjgold]

Luxbet actually a TAB

They have very tough ID requirements especially for non Aus Residents..they go overboard compared to any other

You have to mail in documents fukkin bull shit and have them notarized

Luxbet has the best software out of any Aus Books

[Domestic]

Luxbet actually a TAB

They have very tough ID requirements especially for non Aus Residents..they go overboard compared to any other

You have to mail in documents fukkin bull shit and have them notarized

Luxbet has the best software out of any Aus Books

Was easy for my Identity to be verified at Luxbet though, was done electronically via the electoral roll, took two minutes.

[Hareeba!]

Sportingbet, Centrebet, Sportsbet, Luxbet all do, that is enough for me.

well if they are enough for you best of luck

the first three are utterly useless for sports for me after severe limiting and Luxbet is only very marginally better

[Hareeba!]

Luxbet actually a TAB

They have very tough ID requirements especially for non Aus Residents..they go overboard compared to any other

You have to mail in documents fukkin bull shit and have them notarized

Luxbet has the best software out of any Aus Books

Luxbet is owned by Tabcorp but is not a TAB in the sense of being a parimutuel operation like it's parent.

They are regulated in the NT where the ID requirements are set by the NT government and are the same as for any other operator in that jurisdiction, including notarization.

Best software? Arguable. I'm certainly no big fan of it. Can be very slow to respond,'hidden' markets.

[jjgold]

Hareeba what is in your opinion the best software as far as Aussie Books??

[Hareeba!]

Hareeba what is in your opinion the best software as far as Aussie Books??

hmmm .... not really an issue which tends to bother me much .... they all have positives and negatives I guess.

And bearing in mind that I no longer use Sportingbet, Centrebet or IAS at all and Sportsbet only for racing I'm not really in the best position to judge that.

My favourite by a long way used to be Bill Hurley's Sportsbook which was taken over by Luxbet and the platform was ditched unfortunately.

Forced to make a choice I may go with Sportsbet which I now use only for racing specials but it seems to be pretty simple and fast on the response. What I do like as opposed to Luxbet is that they will nominate how much you can stake rather than leaving you to find out only after they've limited you at Luxbet.

[jjgold]

hmmm .... not really an issue which tends to bother me much .... they all have positives and negatives I guess.

And bearing in mind that I no longer use Sportingbet, Centrebet or IAS at all and Sportsbet only for racing I'm not really in the best position to judge that.

My favourite by a long way used to be Bill Hurley's Sportsbook which was taken over by Luxbet and the platform was ditched unfortunately.

Forced to make a choice I may go with Sportsbet which I now use only for racing specials but it seems to be pretty simple and fast on the response. What I do like as opposed to Luxbet is that they will nominate how much you can stake rather than leaving you to find out only after they've limited you at Luxbet.

Thanks..I find topsport and sportsbetting.com.au very efficient..Betstar also ok..seems all tinkered from same vendor

[Hareeba!]

Thanks..I find topsport and sportsbetting.com.au very efficient..Betstar also ok..seems all tinkered from same vendor

yep, I think that Davidson chap is behind that software?

what I really don't like about those sites is the annoying pop-up window to confirm or deny your bet some time later

[jjgold]

Those confirm screens are pretty instant unless off hours

Yeh Davidson............I might do some videos of Non USA books

[Santo]

Fair enough but you have to be skeptical about someone who never posts outside of the sportsbook and industry section, how can he help when he says he is here to learn but still throws out insults and can never handle a betfair situation by another player, he even thinks justin7 is full of shyte.

You have spoken, i'll avoid him from now on.

That's odd criteria -- I never post outside of the industry forum (and occasionally the math one) -- there's strange folk in Players Talk ;-)

[brettels]

The new sportsbet website is like the FONZ of aussie betting sites. Sportingbet site was the best for a couple years.

[brettels]

That's odd criteria -- I never post outside of the industry forum (and occasionally the math one) -- there's strange folk in Players Talk ;-)

You don't act like a shill so its different. I notice alot of the industry threads are for some reason also in the players talk section.

[jjgold]

Is there any difference between Sportbet and IAS??

Are the lines the same??

Horse odds seem a little different

[brettels]

Is there any difference between Sportbet and IAS??

Are the lines the same??

Horse odds seem a little different

I haven't used them for a long time, but they are now using the same odds and software.

[Hareeba!]

You don't act like a shill so its different. I notice alot of the industry threads are for some reason also in the players talk section.

still waiting to learn what you mean by "shill"

would a Betfair "shill" post critical comments about them such as I have done?

[brettels]

Look it up.

[Hareeba!]

Look it up.

I did but it provides varying answers and doesn't answer my questions to you.

[brettels]

Was I talking to you anyway? But if you want a definition of a shill here it is. Straight of google

A shill, plant or stooge is a person who helps a person or organization without disclosing that he or she has a close relationship with that person or organization<wbr>.

[brettels]

I haven't seen you criticize them once BTW

[brettels]

Now stop baiting me so you can cry to shari about it! I wont respond!