Federer v. Murray

[bettilimbroke999]

Read my above last post again, I edited it to add to what I was saying

[Panic]

I know what you're saying. Its just that Fed was breaking Murray all day. Even before the call happened. Hence the 6-2 first set. There is no reason not to think that Fed could have broken back and got back on serve. He had already broken Murray to start the 2nd set as well. Either way, we'll never know.

[bettilimbroke999]

Agree to disagree then, if you didn't notice Murray won 7 service points in a row at the time that point was stolen from him, to say he was being dominated at that point is ridiculous, yes once he blew his fuses on that cheated game and set he did fall apart in set 3 when he had no chance anyway even if he played his best, but that's a situational collapse since he knew there was no hope, he might as well of conceded once the linesman gave Fed the 2nd set. In any event this topic has gotten old, congrats on your win you got the prize this time and all I have is constantly taking +EV bets that make me a winner in the long-run, in the short-run guys loading up on Fed can win, in the long-run they hit the shelter, if you knew how much BIG bettors have lost on Fed this year you'd think twice about unloading on him, he's sent more BIG gamblers (and I'm talking 6 figures) to the cleaners than any athlete on the planet in the last 5 years. Gl2u

[BuddyBear]

BLB99:

You are really starting to sound bad on here and almost all your arguments are intellectually bankrupt. Your reputation has taken a severe hit. While you may be 11-4 or whatever, I suspect you lost quite a bit of money on this match and that is why you continue to falsely insist you were cheated out of this match.

Let's begin by stating some obvious facts to dispel your nonsense beliefs.

"unfortunately I didn't know the linesmen were paid off before I bet"

1) It's unlikely that this is true, but even if it were true, Murray had the right to challenge the call making your "fixed" allegation even weaker. How can a match being "fixed" if a player can challenge calls that go against him? Even more so, how can a match be fixed at the U.S. Open, a grandslam tournament...not some obscure tornament in Eastern Europe with no television coverage.

Murray knew it was out and failed to challenge. How can a match be fixed when the player has a right to challenge the validity of the calls. In short, a player has as much authority over the calls as does a linesman. They are either out or in....he could have challenged it and he would have won. Blame Murray for not challenging. It is beyond ludicrous to continue to insist the match was fixed.

"all the momentum had been cheatingly swung in Fed's favor, from that point on Murray played like dogshit and never threatened again even though he had won 7 service points in a row"

2) Wrong again. Murray recovered quite nicely after that bad call and won 3 consecutive service games to pit the match at 5-5. If you truly believe all the momentum swung to Fed, how can you explain that Murray continued to hold serve? Wouldn't he have just folded if that was the case. Murray was in a terrific position to serve for a tiebreaker and he couldn't get to it. It's not fair to say that "all the momentum swung to Federer." It's simply inaccurate and intellectually dishonest of you to continue to purport misleading statements like that including the false belief that Murray would have won the set because he was leading 3-2 and up a break. Murray had every right to win that set as much as Federer did. He was on serve up until his final service game when Federer broke him. Neither player had established any momentum up until that point.

needless to say if the game is cheated from you especially when you were at triple break point and it assumed 90% you've already won the game it is physically and mentally exhausting even more so then if you had actually been legitimately beaten that game

3) This is where your argument completely fails. You assume Murray would have grabed the momentum but he was so pissed about the bad call that he just resigned himself to the fact that he wasn't going to come back (even though he was still on serve at that point). Yet, where you fail here is that Murray did not know that it was a bad call. He had no idea that it was out till after the match since the point was never shown to him. For him, his frustration was that he lost the game up triple break point not that there was a bad call. It wasn't till after the fact that Murray knew about it. Thus, by the logical sequence of events, your claim that the missed call was so devestating to Murray that he couldn't recover is blatantly false because Murray never knew that it was a bad call.

4) In the end, Federer was just better and wanted it more. Even among AM's own self-admission, he was not in a position to win. Federer won more 10 more games than did AM in that match. Hindsight 20/20, Federer was slightly underpriced and Murray was overpriced in this match. I think even you can appreciate RF's greatness.

Good luck in the future....

[bettilimbroke999]

Well anyway all I have to say is I'm 11-3 in the handicapping contest so fade me and brag about the 3 wins and how "intellectually bankrupt" I am to say that those were good bets even though they lost, while I simply enjoy my financially successful 11 wins out of 14 and you can enjoy your intellectually wealthy but financially bankrupt 3 wins out of 14, gl2u

[BuddyBear]

Well anyway all I have to say is I'm 11-3 in the handicapping contest so fade me and brag about the 3 wins and how "intellectually bankrupt" I am to say that those were good bets even though they lost, while I simply enjoy my financially successful 11 wins out of 14 and you can enjoy your intellectually wealthy but financially bankrupt 3 wins out of 14, gl2u

There is nothing more funny than a square who

1) blames a loss (a beatdown too) on "match fixing" in the U.S. Open Final no less.

2) thinks that he is an elite capper because he has won 11 of his last 14 bets.


Based on everything I've read here in this thread, I'd book your bets any day of the week BLM99

[bettilimbroke999]

There is nothing more funny than a square who

1) blames a loss (a beatdown too) on "match fixing" in the U.S. Open Final no less.

2) thinks that he is an elite capper because he has won 11 of his last 14 bets.


Based on everything I've read here in this thread, I'd book your bets any day of the week BLM99

Good I went 11-3 so pay off the 770 I won, thx for bookin my bets

The biggest joke I've heard is a guy arguing with a guy whose picking 11-3 b/c one +200 dog didn't come in, clearly you don't understand anything about odds, gl2u, I'd book your bets any day as well

[HeeeHAWWWW]

What he's saying is you need a bigger sample size. Somebody picking just purely at random could go 14/14 and it would mean nothing, ditto 0/14.

[bettilimbroke999]

Can we just let this thread die, you took an overrated favorite and he won, congrats, what do you want from me. If you take an overrated favorite and it wins there's no defense to taking the underdog no matter what the odds are, hell make it Fed -30000 now and I'd take him, congrats on being an elite capper and hitting a -200 favorite that should've been around -140, the linesman cheated him and Murray was too retarded to challenge it and that cost him the 2nd set and any chance of winning the match, congrats yippee you won 50 bucks or whatever you idiots were wagering, man you guys get excited when you win a bet, let's me know it must be a rare occurence

[BuddyBear]

Can we just let this thread die

Stop replying then. Every time you reply, you make a total fool of yourself if you haven't noticed.

you took an overrated favorite and he won, congrats,

Hmm, considering he dominated him I have a hard time believing you think RF is overrated. You sound super bitter. I believe you made a huge wager and lost. I write about this consistently on the forum, but you have to leave emotion totally out of it.

what do you want from me. If you take an overrated favorite and it wins there's no defense to taking the underdog no matter what the odds are, hell make it Fed -30000 now and I'd take him, congrats on being an elite capper and hitting a -200 favorite that should've been around -140

Thanks, and if you think FED should have been -140 then give yourself a pat on the back and resign yourself to the fact that you made a very good bet, but it didn't work out this time. Again, you need to leave emotion out of it.

the linesman cheated him and Murray was too retarded to challenge it and that cost him the 2nd set and any chance of winning the match,

See above posts. You keep making a fool of yourself when you say this. I lost all respect for you in this thread. You've shown yourself to be a baby and a whiner.

congrats yippee you won 50 bucks or whatever you idiots were wagering

Thanks again. Considering you went 11-3 and won $770, you are probably winning $770/8 $100 or so in each of your wagers. But based on statistics and probability, you'll likely to lose it all very soon given that you most likely are an average to below average gambler.

man you guys get excited when you win a bet, let's me know it must be a rare occurence

Considering the reaction you exhibited throughout the entire thread, I'd say those who won this bet were relatively tempered in their reaction compared to the crying and whining you've displayed throughout this thread.

[SBR Lou]

" congrats on being an elite capper and hitting a -200 favorite that should've been around -140"

All I can say is there's no way in hell RF should have, or deserved to be -140 over Andy Murray. I can't imagine anyone honestly believing that, that is being incredibly over reactionary. He made finals of RG, finals of Wimbledon and lost in a classic 5th set thriller, won the US Open, so what he lost to a couple of lower class players in meaningless tournaments. Lets calm down, if anything RF should have been closer to -300 versus Murray.

[WestsidePete]

Fed took 2 of the sets 6-2..enought of this, he destoyed Murray...getting someone at -200 where he hasn't lost since 2003 vs someone who's never in a major final?? Please...Fed rolled like he should have...