The SBR pre election vote - Obama vs Gingrich

[GUMMO77]

Yes, bring back Reagan and lets give amnesty to another 3 million illegals.

[No coincidences]

But that's only your opinion. If he wins Iowa he's getting the nomination.

You have a better chance of getting the Republican nomination than Ron Paul.

If he wins Iowa it won't mean anything, as per usual. Huckabee won Iowa in '08.

[No coincidences]

Yes, bring back Reagan and lets give amnesty to another 3 million illegals.

So many things started to go wrong on Reagan's watch, yet he is a hero to so many. I've never in my life understood that. I've been following politics for 35 years and I've studied it for over 20. Reagan, to me, is one of the most destructive presidents we've ever elected. The irony is a lot of the people who defend Reagan, the idea of "capitalism," the United States as the "land of the free" and the "American dream" are the ones who will never see the financial gains from any of it. They get old, collect their social security, go on Medicaid and bitch about socialism while watching Fox "News." Unreal.

[PhillyFlyers]

That is an opinion.

True, but it is an informed one.

Let's say Paul wins Iowa. Next up is New Hampshire where Romney is pretty strong but Paul is second and moving up. Recent reports have stated that many democrat and libetarian voters in New Hampshire are switching to Republican to vote for Paul.

If Paul wins New Hampshire after winning Iowa, the next up is South Carolina.

Here is where it gets interesting for Paul. He has a stronger base in the south than he does in the north.

Paul is extremely strong in almost all of the southern states. Romney isn't strong anywhere in the south and Newt is only strong in Georgia, his home state.

Take a state like Florida for example. Paul was already strong there. At one point Herman Cain was the leader there. Those votes would now go to Paul by the time Florida gets to vote and assuming candidates like Bachmann, Santorum, and Huntsman have dropped out by then.

In short, if Paul wins Iowa he has a clear path to the nomination.

[neverstoppers23]

It actually works out to be around $1000-$1500 for the average family ...

Do the math for your own circumstances here :

http://www.barackobama.com/tax-calculator/

yes i know. around 20 bucks a week.

its all political bull shit, it does shit to help stimulate the economy, its just a populist bull shit move.

[No coincidences]

True, but it is an informed one.

Let's say Paul wins Iowa. Next up is New Hampshire where Romney is pretty strong but Paul is second and moving up. Recent reports have stated that many democrat and libetarian voters in New Hampshire are switching to Republican to vote for Paul.

If Paul wins New Hampshire after winning Iowa, the next up is South Carolina.

Here is where it gets interesting for Paul. He has a stronger base in the south than he does in the north.

Paul is extremely strong in almost all of the southern states. Romney isn't strong anywhere in the south and Newt is only strong in Georgia, his home state.

Take a state like Florida for example. Paul was already strong there. At one point Herman Cain was the leader there. Those votes would now go to Paul by the time Florida gets to vote and assuming candidates like Bachmann, Santorum, and Huntsman have dropped out by then.

In short, if Paul wins Iowa he has a clear path to the nomination.

Paul isn't "mainstream" enough for the Republican party to give him the nomination. Period. He may do well in caucuses, but the establishment will not trot him out there as the actual candidate. Ever.

[GUMMO77]

so many things started to go wrong on reagan's watch, yet he is a hero to so many. I've never in my life understood that. I've been following politics for 35 years and i've studied it for over 20. Reagan, to me, is one of the most destructive presidents we've ever elected. The irony is a lot of the people who defend reagan, the idea of "capitalism," the united states as the "land of the free" and the "american dream" are the ones who will never see the financial gains from any of it. They get old, collect their social security, go on medicaid and bitch about socialism while watching fox "news." unreal.

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[PhillyFlyers]

Paul isn't "mainstream" enough for the Republican party to give him the nomination. Period. He may do well in caucuses, but the establishment will not trot him out there as the actual candidate. Ever.

I don't know what you're talking about when you say "mainstream". If you mean that he's not a neocon, then no he's not mainstream if mainstream means neocon.

If you're talking about traditional conservatism along the lines of Ronald Reagan and Barry Goldwater, then he is the most mainstream out of all the GOP candidates so I guess a lot depends on your perspective.

He is the most conservative candidate running. Period.

[No coincidences]

I don't know what you're talking about when you say "mainstream". If you mean that he's not a neocon, then no he's not mainstream if mainstream means neocon.

If you're talking about traditional conservatism along the lines of Ronald Reagan and Barry Goldwater, then he is the most mainstream out of all the GOP candidates so I guess a lot depends on your perspective.

He is the most conservative candidate running. Period.

Dude, he's not getting the nomination -- even if he performs well in the caucuses. Trust me on this. The Republican establishment is not going to run a guy like Ron Paul.

[PhillyFlyers]

Dude, he's not getting the nomination -- even if he performs well in the caucuses. Trust me on this. The Republican establishment is not going to run a guy like Ron Paul.

First of all, there's so many things wrong with this post I don't know where to begin.

Who do you think controls this process? It;s clear you don't think the people do because you keep saying that "they" won't let him win.

You use terms like "the republican establishment" won't let him win.

Who do you think makes up the republican party or any party for that matter?

You and me.

We the people.

We decide who's going to get elected, not some phantom powers behind the scenes which are nothing more than a figment of your imagination.

The bottom line is this....if you like a candidate, support them. Their chances are as good as anyone else.

Secondly, this so called "republican establishment" better run Ron Paul because he's their only chance at defeating Obama.

Take a look at the SBR poll. You think it's a lie?

Newt Gingrich is a fukking scumbag. People see it and they know it. They will not elect Newt. He has zero chance to be president.

Ron Paul has a FAR greater chance at beating obama than anyone else in the GOP field.

If this so called "republican establishment" wants to win and was smart, it had better choose Ron Paul.

[No coincidences]

We decide who gets elected -- not who gets the nomination.

The GOP will never put Ron Paul on its ticket. Ever.

[PhillyFlyers]

We decide who gets elected -- not who gets the nomination.

The GOP will never put Ron Paul on its ticket. Ever.

We decide who gets nominated and elected. The GOP is me and I say Ron Paul will get elected.

[smoke a bowl]

We decide who gets nominated and elected. The GOP is me and I say Ron Paul will get elected.

Do your thing boss.

[No coincidences]

Let me add that I like Ron Paul, and would like to see him earn the Republican nomination. It's a pie in the sky notion and a sad commentary on the political process.

[No coincidences]

We decide who gets nominated and elected. The GOP is me and I say Ron Paul will get elected.

Do you know how the nomination process works and who makes those decisions? It isn't you and me pal.

[PhillyFlyers]

Do you know how the nomination process works and who makes those decisions? It isn't you and me pal.

Yes, I do and we control it.

EDIT: BTW Is that my man Sam Cooke in your avatar?

[19th Hole]

True, but it is an informed one.

Let's say Paul wins Iowa. Next up is New Hampshire where Romney is pretty strong but Paul is second and moving up. Recent reports have stated that many democrat and libetarian voters in New Hampshire are switching to Republican to vote for Paul.

If Paul wins New Hampshire after winning Iowa, the next up is South Carolina.

Here is where it gets interesting for Paul. He has a stronger base in the south than he does in the north.

Paul is extremely strong in almost all of the southern states. Romney isn't strong anywhere in the south and Newt is only strong in Georgia, his home state.

Take a state like Florida for example. Paul was already strong there. At one point Herman Cain was the leader there. Those votes would now go to Paul by the time Florida gets to vote and assuming candidates like Bachmann, Santorum, and Huntsman have dropped out by then.

In short, if Paul wins Iowa he has a clear path to the nomination.

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I appreciate your enthusiasm...But you
must reside in a parallel universe.
Good luck with that.

[PhillyFlyers]

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I appreciate your enthusiasm...But you
must reside in a parallel universe.
Good luck with that.

Meaning?

[HilltopTony]

Just a question?? What is the fascination with Obama? What has he done to make anyone vote for him again? This is a serious question and I would like to hear what the Democrats think. I just don't see what this guy brings to the table that is so good for the United States!

[PhillyFlyers]

Just a question?? What is the fascination with Obama? What has he done to make anyone vote for him again? This is a serious question and I would like to hear what the Democrats think. I just don't see what this guy brings to the table that is so good for the United States!

The problem is Newt is unelectable, not so much that obama is greatly loved.

[No coincidences]

Yes, I do and we control it.

I wish.

EDIT: BTW Is that my man Sam Cooke in your avatar?

[smoke a bowl]

Just a question?? What is the fascination with Obama? What has he done to make anyone vote for him again? This is a serious question and I would like to hear what the Democrats think. I just don't see what this guy brings to the table that is so good for the United States!

I thinks it's more of a lesser of 2 evils concept as apposed to a fascination with Obama.

[No coincidences]

Just a question?? What is the fascination with Obama? What has he done to make anyone vote for him again? This is a serious question and I would like to hear what the Democrats think. I just don't see what this guy brings to the table that is so good for the United States!

If it's Obama vs. Gingrich, you're talking about trying to find the lesser of two evils in ever sense of the phrase.

[smoke a bowl]

If it's Obama vs. Gingrich, you're talking about trying to find the lesser of two evils in ever sense of the phrase.

Beat you to it.

[PhillyFlyers]

The problem with voting for the lesser of two evils is that your still voting for evil.

Vote for the good and elect Ron Paul.

[smoke a bowl]

The problem with voting for the lesser of two evils is that your still voting for evil.

Vote for the good and elect Ron Paul.

Start a poll, let's see.

[PhillyFlyers]

Start a poll, let's see.

I actually requested SBR John yesterday to make a poll between Ron Paul and Obama and he declined.

I really wish somebody would make one.

[LVHerbie]

[FourLengthsClear]

I actually requested SBR John yesterday to make a poll between Ron Paul and Obama and he declined.

I really wish somebody would make one.

Why don't you do it?

[PhillyFlyers]

Why don't you do it?

Don't know how. Don't see it on any of my options.

[SBR_John]

Let's see if we can get about 300 votes. Might be worth having one in the spring to see if sentiment is swaying and which way the rather substantial percentage of Undecided are leaning.

[Tech N9ne]

Obama wins

[Optional]

I get the strong suspicion that there's several foreigners posting in this thread.

Let's make one thing REAL clear......

if you're not allowed to cast a vote for the next US President - then we couldn't give two fukks what you think!!

As you were, men.

Does it burn yer britches that we don't give two fukks if you want to put your fingers in your ears?

After re-electing Bush II, Americans should have put down the voting slips and let us foreigners do the job for you anyway!!

[SBR_John]

Does it burn yer britches that we don't give two fukks if you want to put your fingers in your ears?

After re-electing Bush II, Americans should have put down the voting slips and let us foreigners do the job for you anyway!!

I voted for both. In my humble opinion Bush was a much better president. Obama is not very smart when it comes to the economy. It's quite simple to understand that raising the already absurdly high tax rates on those who do the hiring is only going to make a terrible problem worse. But every third sentence out of his mouth is how we should raise the taxes on the rich. Obama's obsession with raising taxes is scary.

[jw]

It's quite simple to understand that raising the already absurdly high tax rates on those who do the hiring is only going to make a terrible problem worse.

How are the lowest tax rates in the past 50 years "absurdly high taxes" ?
Small businesses get more tax breaks and pay less tax now than they ever did under Bush ... and still they want more.