Poker ring games are Pro only. Non Pros can still play tourneys and with poker points

[RudyRuetigger]

Fraud can only occur when there is something of substance to be gained, 99% of the time its money or something that can be turned into money,there is absolutly no incentive or prize at the end of the rainbow for a non pro to commit fraud here,unless of course you could explain how.

well if a non-pro "won" enough at the poker tables, he could easily become a pro after he racked up 25,000 points. im not saying im for or against it, just stating why a nonpro would want points



john we are going to need a 10/20 people after all these people finish in the top 100 tourney

[playersonly69]

AlMasters,

Why dont you just become a PRO? $200 is pocket change for you

[zam77]

You'd think there could be some sort of exception for someone like al masters who has been here for over five years. Maybe a pass for posters that have certain amount of tenure? He is one of the smaller group that plays regularly at the bigger tables which is really where games are the most fun.

[3PtShooter]

made some nice freinds playing in the ring games, sorry guys wont see ya no more...

very sorry move by sbr

[beach nut]

Good move

[3PtShooter]

next prob kill horse racing section ,,,where most of the non pro;s hang

[Glitch]

it is good incentive to become this site's version of a premium member And it curtails fraud possibilities.

the pros will have less people around for games so that part is not so fun but it kills the aforementioned 2 birds with one stone.

i agree that whoever wins big points in that poker tournament can benefit from a 10/20 table.

[no1here]

when seeing these loyal long time SBR posters booted this change appears wrong but the truth is that the posters are wrong for not being PRO

[Wulfman14]

no more stevek either. dumb ass is the number one chaser at sbr. and usually hits.

[Wulfman14]

You'd think there could be some sort of exception for someone like al masters who has been here for over five years. Maybe a pass for posters that have certain amount of tenure? He is one of the smaller group that plays regularly at the bigger tables which is really where games are the most fun.

ill miss al too but dont tell me he doesnt have 200 bucks to deposit and if he aint trusting of offshore books then just give a donation. it will only benefit him as he got a shitload of points anyway that he can then use towards something decent instead of a lousy tshirt.

[khicks26]

can we please bring back the 6 max tables. seems there was more players at the tables, when we had them.

[SBR_John]

Keep in mind non Pros can still play in tourneys, win some poker points, and get right into the ring games, just like normal. The only change is they can not use regular SBR points. We have made it very easy to upgrade to Pro and the large majority of players are indeed Pro.

As I mentioned, SBR has a limit to how many points we can award to poker and everything else. Fraud reduces the amount we can give to poker players as prize pools and reduces the specials we can run. If we do not stop it in its tracks then the 10,000-15,000 points a week we are giving out in tourney play will drastically be reduced.

[playersonly69]

Really it isnt that big of a deal. There were very few NON-PROS playing the live ring games other than using their points won from the daily tournaments.


Now those guys like ALMASTERS can just turn pro. It isnt that hard. And I dont want to hear the excuse that you cannot trust online books. MY ASS! It is only $200! Even if they deposit $500, would it really kill them if they lost this deposit?? No it wouldnt. But NO ONE is going to get screwed by SBR advertisers especially if they deposit to become PRO

[Chong Wizard]

oh well I guess that's just another reason why I need to become a SBR PRO

[ThaddeusB]

Another loop hole closed for those who wish to scam SBR with multiple accounts. Good job!

[ThaddeusB]

can we please bring back the 6 max tables. seems there was more players at the tables, when we had them.

+1

[ThaddeusB]

I respect the rule, although i don't like it as i enjoyed smoking my late night joints and playing poker with some of the fellas. John about the rule being necessary if you can explain the angle that non-pros have by chip dumping to each other?(as i can't see it)for this to be effective wouldn't a pro have to be involved to eventually cash out? and wouldn't any fraud perpetrated by a non pro have be the idea of a pro? What do non pros trying to collude an sbr poker point game have to gain? a thousand Tee shirts. Poster Vitaly got caught multi accounting from his home, you guys caught him red handed, he was a pro was he not.he had a reason,he could take financial advantage of the site,non pros can't unless they plan on opening a flea market selling SBR tee shirts. Fraud can only occur when there is something of substance to be gained, 99% of the time its money or something that can be turned into money,there is absolutly no incentive or prize at the end of the rainbow for a non pro to commit fraud here,unless of course you could explain how. Hers's hoping you will change your mind.

Pretty sure you took care of that in your post: The non-pro dumps to the pro and the pro cashes out.

[HoldEmHook!!]

why are non-pro's still allowed in the casino.... I will miss the ring games, I really enjoyed them,

[HoldEmHook!!]

I respect the rule, although i don't like it as i enjoyed smoking my late night joints and playing poker with some of the fellas.

John about the rule being necessary if you can explain the angle that non-pros have by chip dumping to each other?(as i can't see it)for this to be effective wouldn't a pro have to be involved to eventually cash out? and wouldn't any fraud perpetrated by a non pro have be the idea of a pro?

What do non pros trying to collude an sbr poker point game have to gain? a thousand Tee shirts.

Poster Vitaly got caught multi accounting from his home, you guys caught him red handed, he was a pro was he not.he had a reason,he could take financial advantage of the site,non pros can't unless they plan on opening a flea market selling SBR tee shirts.

Fraud can only occur when there is something of substance to be gained, 99% of the time its money or something that can be turned into money,there is absolutly no incentive or prize at the end of the rainbow for a non pro to commit fraud here,unless of course you could explain how.

Hers's hoping you will change your mind.

I agree, I played a lot in the ring games from points earned from the sports book and BTP contests.

[Al Masters]

Pretty sure you took care of that in your post: The non-pro dumps to the pro and the pro cashes out.

Then it would be a pro thats commiting the fraud by creating a non pro account and doing the dumping, ban his friggon ass when you catch him,as SBR did to poster Vitaly, don't exclude all non pros from your game for what a handfull of Pro douchbags are doing.


Thad honestly,with the amount of action in the SBR poker room, it really wouldn't take long to catch chip dumping occuring, anyone with a half a brain watching from the inside should be able to spot it in minutes, when there is a max of 3 tables going at all time.


Or as i believe just a case of SBR taking away a feature on their site from those who don't pay and keeping it for those that do,(a little like dating sites) as far as a buisness decision is concerned i understand and have no beef with it.

Heres the sad part,if the fraud is happening as much as management wants you to believe in their poker room,since there are no more then 150 regular players, somewhere in that group are the real scamsters and of course they are pros.


So in essence if you believe the fraud story issued by management or if your one of those goof balls who just don't like non pros playing you should thank the PRO's who tried to cheat the game by multi accounting for the banning of all non pros from the game.

I'm sure you'd agree this certainly can't help the cash games only hurt them, then again how many non pros play as much as i did, maybe a loss of 10 to 20 regular non pro players.

I think Walker is to smart to ban a whole group based on the methods used by a few pro fraudsters, thats just the storyline,the truth is........ this a buisness decision to try and sway some non pros to go pro, i understand and respect that.

[playersonly69]

Al, just send $500 to a book and become a PRO. It isnt that big of a deal. You may even get lucky and cash out $4000 or so

[Al Masters]

well if a non-pro "won" enough at the poker tables, he could easily become a pro after he racked up 25,000 points. im not saying im for or against it, just stating why a nonpro would want points.

I did exactly that, whats your point, i know non pros want points nothing wrong with that.

AlMasters, Why dont you just become a PRO? $200 is pocket change for you

You make a good point, which of these dumps would you recommend 5dimes or Betislands or do you have a better choice.

You'd think there could be some sort of exception for someone like al masters who has been here for over five years. Maybe a pass for posters that have certain amount of tenure? He is one of the smaller group that plays regularly at the bigger tables which is really where games are the most fun.

That was very nice of you Zam, or is it the fact you just lost your point meal ticket,you're one of the few who has my points...lol

[RudyRuetigger]

I did exactly that, whats your point, i know non pros want points nothing wrong with that.

My point is pretty clear


Non-pros can chip dump to each other, amass "win" 25,000 points and then turn pro after the fact. its not "always" an sbr pro it has to go through at the time as you say it is.


yes, it still should be easy to catch chip dumping though and therefore it might actually be the easier way to tell if people are colluding to take advantage of the sbr point system.

[nosniboR11]

I am having a felling this has recently happened rudy

[Al Masters]

My point is pretty clear


Non-pros can chip dump to each other, amass "win" 25,000 points and then turn pro after the fact. its not "always" an sbr pro it has to go through at the time as you say it is.
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How in gawds name are 2 non pros going to scam 25k points out of the 50cent-$1 or $1-2 game, that may take 5 years with the rake and other players involved plus they would have to split it,thats a fairy tale,you really had to dig deep for that one.

Rudy your a smart guy like really you play enough here,no way it's happening in the 2-4 or 5-10 by 2 non pros,just like we both saw who was hit n runnin and disconnecting, you got eyes, please tell me 2 non pros you think may be colluding in the higher games.there are non i promise you.

As far as the 1-2 or 50-1 is concerned if there was colluding going on for long periods of time by the same non pros to the point of costing SBR big points some of the sharper players there like Downsouth,4uk4life,iifold, beerdog99,nosnibor11,spursginobli1,sweet hook,no1here,daneblazer would of seen something and we would of already know of it,there is by a million miles not enough action to do it without being detected in a short period of time by other players who are paying attention.

Rudy in my opinion it's not about fraud in the poker room by non pro to non pro too many players would get caught in the middle and figure it out and if not, surely any mod or technician watching from the back end could see it happen quickly not tens of thousands of points later, this isn't PS.


Rudy it's about new pro sign ups, take away a free feature that some people like charge a minimal amount as is the case here, some will leave some will pay and stay, it's buisness i have no problem with that.

[RudyRuetigger]

I am having a felling this has recently happened rudy

thats what im thinking too..and the more I think about it the more im glad they are stopping it.

If a guy comes to sit at 5/10 and bluffs all his stack the 1st hand against me that could look shady as hell on my end too... even if it was just a normal person trying to clear rollover quick.

[shari91]

Al, whether you believe it or not, this was all about fraud. We've found guys with 10+ accounts that go into poker and dump to one account. Plus those accounts were earning log in points, once a month trivia, sportsbook winnings, etc... Not hard to rack up points quickly when all accounts are funnelling points to one main one. And no, they're not always going to be seen by someone else if they're sitting at a table alone. But when they are sitting with others, they're not only scamming from SBR, but they're scamming from the people playing with them. There is one guy right now who tries to create a minimum of 5+ accounts each day so he can go into poker. Fortunately he's been shut down but he still tries every single day and this has been going on for months. I even mentioned him in a thread a few months back because I couldn't believe someone would keep going for so long.

For most of us the points system is just an added perk but there are people who have no other reason to be at SBR than with the intention to scam as much and as quickly as possible.

[RudyRuetigger]

Al, whether you believe it or not, this was all about fraud. We've found guys with 10+ accounts that go into poker and dump to one account. Plus those accounts were earning log in points, once a month trivia, sportsbook winnings, etc... Not hard to rack up points quickly when all accounts are funnelling points to one main one. And no, they're not always going to be seen by someone else if they're sitting at a table alone. But when they are sitting with others, they're not only scamming from SBR, but they're scamming from the people playing with them. There is one guy right now who tries to create a minimum of 5+ accounts each day so he can go into poker. Fortunately he's been shut down but he still tries every single day and this has been going on for months. I even mentioned him in a thread a few months back because I couldn't believe someone would keep going for so long.

For most of us the points system is just an added perk but there are people who have no other reason to be at SBR than with the intention to scam as much and as quickly as possible.

thats what I was thinking.

next time you see him create accounts, let him win a ton of chips, let him become pro and then take the $200 cash he deposits somewhere along with all the points

or handle it the old fashioned way

[mrmarket]

So if collusion has been going on in the ring games when should we expect our refund...?

[shari91]

thats what I was thinking.

next time you see him create accounts, let him win a ton of chips, let him become pro and then take the $200 cash he deposits somewhere along with all the points

or handle it the old fashioned way

haha I wish we could do that. If I ever log in one day and don't see that he's tried to make new accounts again, I'll truly believe he's been hit by a car or something.

[Al Masters]

Al, whether you believe it or not, this was all about fraud. We've found guys with 10+ accounts that go into poker and dump to one account. Plus those accounts were earning log in points, once a month trivia, sportsbook winnings, etc... Not hard to rack up points quickly when all accounts are funnelling points to one main one. And no, they're not always going to be seen by someone else if they're sitting at a table alone. But when they are sitting with others, they're not only scamming from SBR, but they're scamming from the people playing with them. There is one guy right now who tries to create a minimum of 5+ accounts each day so he can go into poker. Fortunately he's been shut down but he still tries every single day and this has been going on for months. I even mentioned him in a thread a few months back because I couldn't believe someone would keep going for so long.

For most of us the points system is just an added perk but there are people who have no other reason to be at SBR than with the intention to scam as much and as quickly as possible.

Hello Shari,

The proper thing to do would be to ban the guy who makes 10 accounts and all of his ghost accounts,just as you personally did with Vitaly.


With a point system with prizes there will be anglers,i believe its part of most mods jobs to catch these scammers,you don't do it by banning long time posters and not so long posters who the site knows 100%are not scammers.

Anyways if it's really not a marketing ploy to try and attract new pro sign ups i got the anwser to solve the problem you described above.

As of the day Lou made the announcement, from that day forward new members who join the site and remain non pro cannot play cash games here,problem solved,and any others remaining from the past will be caught by you guys soon enough or by the regular players.

[shari91]

Hello Shari,

The proper thing to do would be to ban the guy who makes 10 accounts and all of his ghost accounts,just as you personally did with Vitaly.


With a point system with prizes there will be anglers,i believe its part of most mods jobs to catch these scammers,you don't do it by banning long time posters and not so long posters who the site knows 100%are not scammers.

Anyways if it's really not a marketing ploy to try and attract new pro sign ups i got the anwser to solve the problem you described above.

As of the day Lou made the announcement, from that day forward new members who join the site and remain non pro cannot play cash games here,problem solved,and any others remaining from the past will be caught by you guys soon enough or by the regular players.

While your solution is feasible in theory, quite a few of the people we catch scamming aren't new posters unfortunately. They're here for quite awhile before they decide to try to take advantage of the system. The majority of the "whatever happened to xxx" threads concern posters who have suddenly decided to go rogue. Since we don't have a crystal ball, the only way to do it is to revert to how ring poker was in the first place as Lou mentioned in his first post. Much more difficult for someone to have several Pro accounts dumping to each other in there.

[Al Masters]

While your solution is feasible in theory, quite a few of the people we catch scamming aren't new posters unfortunately. They're here for quite awhile before they decide to try to take advantage of the system. The majority of the "whatever happened to xxx" threads concern posters who have suddenly decided to go rogue. Since we don't have a crystal ball, the only way to do it is to revert to how ring poker was in the first place as Lou mentioned in his first post. Much more difficult for someone to have several Pro accounts dumping to each other in there.

First off the ones you do catch should be banned, you make it sound like there sill around.out forever i hope no 6000 second delay,hope thats what you guys are doing.

Even if some are older posters by join date they will still have to create new accounts from this point forward,doesnt really matter when they joined.

As you stated the solution is feasable and i'm sure would work as this would choke all others with the same idea,it would be too late to create user accounts for the sole reason of eventually dumping them to a captain account.

You know in B/M rooms when a guy gets caught cheating in any way,chances are when you next return you hear the news quickly......hey did you hear about so and so getting barred for cheating,why don't you guys let the poker community here know when cheating/colluding of any sort happens and who the poster was, you did make it sound in an earlier post that this kind of thing has happened more then once.


I'd be very interested in seeing a list of pros and their accounts they used to pass chips.

[shari91]

First off the ones you do catch should be banned, you make it sound like there sill around.out forever i hope no 6000 second delay,hope thats what you guys are doing.

Even if some are older posters by join date they will still have to create new accounts from this point forward,doesnt really matter when they joined.

As you stated the solution is feasable and i'm sure would work as this would choke all others with the same idea,it would be too late to create user accounts for the sole reason of eventually dumping them to a captain account.

You know in B/M rooms when a guy gets caught cheating in any way,chances are when you next return you hear the news quickly......hey did you hear about so and so getting barred for cheating,why don't you guys let the poker community here know when cheating/colluding of any sort happens and who the poster was, you did make it sound in an earlier post that this kind of thing has happened more then once.


I'd be very interested in seeing a list of pros and their accounts they used to pass chips.

Oh they're definitely banned. Once someone is caught scamming, they're gone as are any new accounts they attempt to make. That's why my email inbox gets flooded every day with people calling me every name in the book

As for a poster having to create a new account, that's not always the case.

With your suggestion to publicly name and shame, I'm all for that as I think these guys should be exposed for who they are. That way if they're using the same posting name(s) at other forums, they can be hounded there as well. But it's SBR's policy to not publicly comment on poster's accounts except in rare circumstances so that would be something you'd have to propose to Admin.

[zsr]

Shari, are you serious about a guy making 5 new accounts every day for months? Wow..