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  • SASH
    SBR MVP
    • 04-09-11
    • 3200

    #176
    Originally posted by Galligator

    They're D-line is worst in the league? I dont underestand where ya came up with that..I would rank them as one of the best in the league....Babin leads league in sacks..i dont feel like looking uip the numbers but cole and jenkins are both pro bowl players...Your nuts!
    Trent Cole has 12 solo tackles through 5 games, he's on pace to have 37 tackles...that sucks. Cullen Jenkins is learning a new system (at GB he played in a 3-4 and now hes in a 4-3) and learning a completely new Eagles defense. They have a bunch of new peices on defense, they have a new D coordinator, which makes grasping the system even more difficult. You would expect them to be off to a slow start, but they way they've responded to change as a unit (players and coaches) absolutely sucks so far...they're not getting it. They'll get it eventually, but their learning curve seems to be a little more steep than what you would have liked. Bottom line, their defense is not good right now. Question: Do you even watch their games??? And if so do you even take what I posted above into consideration before you make wreckless posts like this?
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    • Stevedore
      SBR MVP
      • 11-10-10
      • 1218

      #177
      Owner: Jerry Jones
      Coach: Andy Reid
      Offensive Player: Matt Ryan
      Defensive Player: Jarred Allen
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      • SASH
        SBR MVP
        • 04-09-11
        • 3200

        #178
        its amazing to me how people dont in part attribute many of vicks turnovers to that peice of sh*t offensive line he has in front of him. Its horrible, slightly better than Chicagos. If not for Vicks tremendous athleticism and escapability he would be getting absolutely mauled back there, not like he isnt getting already. But he gets out of alot of bad situations behind that p.o.s. offensive line to make things happen. Put any other QB back there, besides vick and arron rodgers (speaking of their escapability only, not trying to compare the 2), then you will truly see a turnover machine type qb and what a real garbage qb looks like
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        • Stevedore
          SBR MVP
          • 11-10-10
          • 1218

          #179
          Originally posted by bobbyk1133
          PHI is one of the best run organizations in all of football. They made a mistake with Castillo, but they have never really had the "window of opportunity" close on them in Reid's entire tenure.

          Haters come out in spades when the chips are down....but PHI has had their backs against the wall before. Check their November/December record before you write them off.
          Reid sucks..time to move on. Horrible time management, team plays so DUMB! Never runs the fuking ball..McCoy 20 carries in two games??? Stupid fat ass needs to go!!
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          • Domestic
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 02-10-09
            • 6323

            #180
            Take your pick, any of the overpaid running backs.
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            • gimpy
              SBR Wise Guy
              • 10-17-10
              • 510

              #181
              Originally posted by paco
              Crybaby Cuntler
              Cutler does an amazing job, actually. He just barely has any time to see the play. Give him an offensive line and some receivers, and he's as good as gold.
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              • rsnnh12
                SBR MVP
                • 09-26-10
                • 3487

                #182
                Originally posted by SASH
                its amazing to me how people dont in part attribute many of vicks turnovers to that peice of sh*t offensive line he has in front of him. Its horrible, slightly better than Chicagos. If not for Vicks tremendous athleticism and escapability he would be getting absolutely mauled back there, not like he isnt getting already. But he gets out of alot of bad situations behind that p.o.s. offensive line to make things happen. Put any other QB back there, besides vick and arron rodgers (speaking of their escapability only, not trying to compare the 2), then you will truly see a turnover machine type qb and what a real garbage qb looks like
                Maybe if Vick knew how to read a defense pre-snap, his protection would be better? Same goes for Cutler and most other QBs who fans say would be good with a better Oline. The only guy who can really complain about a shit Oline is Big Ben. Watch the greats like Brady and Manning, specifically how they call out what the defense is doing to their Oline and backfield. THAT is why they constantly have great protection, not just because the Pats and Colts have the greatest offensive lines ever like so many people like to claim.
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                • Glitch
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 07-08-09
                  • 11795

                  #183
                  youre right rs12, but dont forget when you can move around a little, defining the pocket sometimes becomes more difficult like in vick's specific case.
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                  • geebert74
                    SBR MVP
                    • 09-03-09
                    • 2445

                    #184
                    Tom Brady by far!
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                    • rsnnh12
                      SBR MVP
                      • 09-26-10
                      • 3487

                      #185
                      Originally posted by Glitch
                      youre right rs12, but dont forget when you can move around a little, defining the pocket sometimes becomes more difficult like in vick's specific case.
                      That's true. Its almost like Vick is too athletic for his Oline, which makes their job harder. I wouldn't say Vick is the most overrated player, but he is a bit overhyped.

                      Originally posted by geebert74
                      Tom Brady by far!
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                      • SportsPedagogy
                        SBR MVP
                        • 02-13-11
                        • 3691

                        #186
                        Originally posted by rsnnh12
                        Maybe if Vick knew how to read a defense pre-snap, his protection would be better? Same goes for Cutler and most other QBs who fans say would be good with a better Oline. The only guy who can really complain about a shit Oline is Big Ben. Watch the greats like Brady and Manning, specifically how they call out what the defense is doing to their Oline and backfield. THAT is why they constantly have great protection, not just because the Pats and Colts have the greatest offensive lines ever like so many people like to claim.
                        . I disagree. Sometimes your tackles just get beat around the edge. One on one and your tackle knows he is coming. I would say there is a lol truth to what you say on your guards and centers as far as blitzs go, but still, they can get over powered aswell.
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                        • Mr Handicapable
                          SBR Hall of Famer
                          • 09-23-07
                          • 6067

                          #187
                          Most overrated this year so far has to go to Ashibongo or whatever the hell his name is on Philly. That guy has been HORRIBLE this year....misses tackles like Andy Reid misses celery!
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                          • andyg0221
                            SBR Rookie
                            • 09-30-11
                            • 12

                            #188
                            Flacco.
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                            • HotStreak
                              SBR MVP
                              • 05-12-09
                              • 3235

                              #189
                              Originally posted by TexansFan
                              Vince Young
                              Originally posted by TexansFan
                              Reggie Bush

                              Good ones.
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                              • immy5150
                                SBR High Roller
                                • 04-28-11
                                • 198

                                #190
                                eli manning
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                                • txmagnolia2
                                  SBR High Roller
                                  • 10-01-10
                                  • 179

                                  #191
                                  Tony Romo is overrated
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                                  • npmassa
                                    SBR Sharp
                                    • 12-07-09
                                    • 371

                                    #192
                                    The most over rated player in the NFL is hands down Micheal Vick by now he should have that team on the right page. I mean the qb is the leader of the team and after their week 2 loss he should have shown his leadership brought everyone together and on the same page. He may have natural athleticism but he's no leader....being a jet fan how can you knock revis??? If anything knock namne asemughua (spelling) talk about over rated! You put nasty numbers up in the weakest division in the NFL the last few years and move to the NFC east and you automatically the best in the business!?...prove it! Money or not his biggest mistake will be leaving Oakland! Talk about desperation on the eagles part putting that team together was stupid it undermins everything they have built over the last half decade.
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                                    • upscope
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 04-26-11
                                      • 2837

                                      #193
                                      Originally posted by dlunc3
                                      He hasn't played bad this yr... If he had not missed two 4th quarters due to injury, they are 3-2... Did you forget he had the eagles up 10 in atl when he went out? The next loss he threw for 400 and rushed for 70... So yes, he has played well this season.... Arguing with someone that doesn't actually watch the games gets annoying..
                                      I think you forgot those 4 int's to go along w/ the stats. As much as you want to you can't just ignore them. i know those in'ts were the kickers fault, no they were the defensive coordinators fault, no they were the offensive lines fault, no they were the receivers fault, no they were the defenses fault, no they were the play callers fault, no it was his injuries fault, they were everybody's fault except for the guy that threw the ball.....blah blah blah. You make too many excuses. believe it or not sometimes the fault goes to the guy who threw the ball??
                                      1-4 & everybody's fault except Vick.....okie dokie pal!!
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                                      • House
                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                        • 09-04-11
                                        • 7088

                                        #194
                                        Vic and the Eagles with Vic........its not working guys...
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                                        • Mr Handicapable
                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                          • 09-23-07
                                          • 6067

                                          #195
                                          Vick could be overrated but most overrated...no way? He makes mistakes but its probably because he has to carry the whole team! Philly is soft on both sides of the ball....can't run for 3rd/1 to save their life and the D is horrible. Its not Vicks fault when he completes a 25 yard pass and Avant fumbles it away.
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                                          • zsr
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 06-01-10
                                            • 4117

                                            #196
                                            Originally posted by Martin42
                                            You obviously didn't watch the game , how is vick fumbling on the 5 yard line on first down and the defense taking the ball back down to the 20 and the offense scoring to go up 4 instead of being down 10 not an effect on the game ?
                                            Thank you. That kid has no clue, every post he calls out someoe for just reading box scores, when in reality thats all he does. Unreal lol.
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                                            • Ice House
                                              Restricted User
                                              • 07-21-10
                                              • 4060

                                              #197
                                              Most Overrated offensive player : Eli Manning


                                              Most overrated defensive player: Julius Peppers
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                                              • dngf
                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                • 12-25-08
                                                • 5926

                                                #198
                                                Over rated: Michael Vick, I really have to wonder if the front office at Philly is not second guessing themselves right now. Tony Romo honorable mention.
                                                Under rated: Jay Cutler, he extends plays, has a great arm, no protection. Chicago can run to the right pretty good, but man every pass play is look out Jay. Honorable mention: offensive line for New England. Sure Tom is Terrific, and has very talented receivers, but he can't extend plays with his feet. He just stands in the pocket for 3, 4, 5, 6 seconds until Welker or someone uncovers and then hits them.
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                                                • SASH
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 04-09-11
                                                  • 3200

                                                  #199
                                                  Originally posted by rsnnh12
                                                  Maybe if Vick knew how to read a defense pre-snap, his protection would be better? Same goes for Cutler and most other QBs who fans say would be good with a better Oline. The only guy who can really complain about a shit Oline is Big Ben. Watch the greats like Brady and Manning, specifically how they call out what the defense is doing to their Oline and backfield. THAT is why they constantly have great protection, not just because the Pats and Colts have the greatest offensive lines ever like so many people like to claim.
                                                  Your 100% wrong here. Phillys and Chicagos O-Line both suck sweaty balls!
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                                                  • SASH
                                                    SBR MVP
                                                    • 04-09-11
                                                    • 3200

                                                    #200
                                                    Its obvious that alot of you are sensative and sore regarding the whole dog fighting thing and thats why Vicks name has come up so much in this thread. That is completely fine by me, you have every right to feel that way, but dont blur the lines between what he did in his private life and what he does on the field.......havent really seen any good posts regarding why is the MOST overrated player. Take HOUSE for example, the guys got a picture of his dog in his avatar. Do you think he's not gonna say Vick?? Lmao
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                                                    • mp5070
                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                      • 09-13-08
                                                      • 5446

                                                      #201
                                                      Overrated: Michael Vick, QB, Philadelphia Eagles

                                                      Defensive Overrated: Eagles CBs (ALL 3, 4 or 5 of THEM)
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                                                      • wakeboardr886
                                                        SBR Sharp
                                                        • 04-09-10
                                                        • 453

                                                        #202
                                                        MATTHEW STAFFORD

                                                        I'm pretty sure anyone with megatron as their receiver can put up big numbers. "Holy shit I'm about to get sacked, oh well let me just throw the ball up in the air to doodoodoo MEGATRON he is sure to catch it"
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                                                        • rsnnh12
                                                          SBR MVP
                                                          • 09-26-10
                                                          • 3487

                                                          #203
                                                          Originally posted by SASH
                                                          Your 100% wrong here. Phillys and Chicagos O-Line both suck sweaty balls!
                                                          Thanks for the intelligent analysis

                                                          Most QBs do very little for pre-snap reads. You seriously don't think this keeps the line from doing their jobs more effectively?
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                                                          • SASH
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 04-09-11
                                                            • 3200

                                                            #204
                                                            Originally posted by rsnnh12
                                                            Thanks for the intelligent analysis

                                                            Most QBs do very little for pre-snap reads. You seriously don't think this keeps the line from doing their jobs more effectively?
                                                            ANALYSIS??? Are you serious? You cant be serious??? Just watch their games. And if you still need further confirmation, listen to the broadcasters during their games tell you how shitty their O-Lines are. And if you need more proof, when you get home put on espn and let trent dilfer and keyshawn johnson tell you how garbage their O-Lines are. They've had a horrible O-Line up in Chicago for a long time now (at least the past couple of years with Cuntler behind center), really surprised you dont know this by now??
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                                                            • rsnnh12
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 09-26-10
                                                              • 3487

                                                              #205
                                                              Originally posted by SASH
                                                              ANALYSIS??? Are you serious? You cant be serious??? Just watch their games. And if you still need further confirmation, listen to the broadcasters during their games tell you how shitty their O-Lines are. And if you need more proof, when you get home put on espn and let trent dilfer and keyshawn johnson tell you how garbage their O-Lines are. They've had a horrible O-Line up in Chicago for a long time now (at least the past couple of years with Cuntler behind center), really surprised you dont know this by now??
                                                              I do watch their games. Know what else I notice? That Cutler, Vick, and others couldn't see a blitz coming if the middle linebacker had a flashing neon sign saying "I'M BLITZING!"

                                                              The fact of the matter is, very few QBs read defenses well. Don't take my word for it... Darrelle Revis says the same thing. How can you give all credit or blame to the line, when the QB is or is not doing their job?
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                                                              • upscope
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 04-26-11
                                                                • 2837

                                                                #206
                                                                Originally posted by rsnnh12
                                                                I do watch their games. Know what else I notice? That Cutler, Vick, and others couldn't see a blitz coming if the middle linebacker had a flashing neon sign saying "I'M BLITZING!"
                                                                C'mon, Vick can't read. How's he supposed to know what that neon sign say's??
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                                                                • uup115
                                                                  SBR Sharp
                                                                  • 09-28-11
                                                                  • 483

                                                                  #207
                                                                  VICK, what has he ever done? Eagles are 1-6 in last 7 games Vick has played. 14 turnovers and only 10 tds...how many in the red zone? Countless bad decisions.
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                                                                  • rsnnh12
                                                                    SBR MVP
                                                                    • 09-26-10
                                                                    • 3487

                                                                    #208
                                                                    Originally posted by upscope
                                                                    C'mon, Vick can't read. How's he supposed to know what that neon sign say's??


                                                                    Maybe the safety should break out the megaphone?


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                                                                    • zsr
                                                                      SBR MVP
                                                                      • 06-01-10
                                                                      • 4117

                                                                      #209
                                                                      In defense of cutler, the bears offense does not allow audibles so when he reads blitz there nothing he can do about it. Martz needs to change his system, it doesnt work unless you have elite Quarterback, good wideouts and a good line.
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                                                                      • CHAZ
                                                                        SBR MVP
                                                                        • 12-09-09
                                                                        • 4978

                                                                        #210
                                                                        Originally posted by House
                                                                        Vic and the Eagles with Vic........its not working guys...
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