US troop atrocities in IRAQ vastly unreported

[frostno98]

I've just heard stories from two individual I know from two different states who's been to Iraq that had said they killed friendlies and kids for the sake of their own safety. The stories are similar to what happened in MY LAI Vietnam. What is happening in Iraq is not completely reported on the news, as we all know the news is regulated to let us know only what we need to know. Whether it is justifiable or not, many of these warriors fighting for our great country are being put in more than great harm.

Many of our young warriors in Iraq are good kids, raise to do well in school and succeed in college. Many of them never seen violence 1st hand unless their from the ghetto. It is unfortunate that many of our young warriors will come home forever changed, fighting a war that is very unjust.

I was drunk when I heard this, but had to shout this thing out because it really bothers me.

[increasedodds]

Unjust? I don't like the war as it is not going well, but it is not unjust.

A dictator invades an ally
We kick his ass out
He agrees to sanctions including inspections
He hampers every inspection and there is growing concern that he is up to no good.
We kick his ass again.

The only thing unjust is that we don't just take over the place like in the old days.

[Sinister Cat]

Saddam kicked the UN weapons inspectors out because he suspected they had US spies amongst them -- which the US later admitted was true. And then it turned out he *didn't* have any WMDs.

[bookie]

I've heard these stories too from relatives who've been there. The amount of rape that's going on by US soldiers of Iraqi girls is something that concerns me. Someday someone is going to document the pattern and it won't be a pretty picture.

[Jacey]

I did 8 years in the Marines, have friends who've been over there, it's pretty bad

[hoopster42]

Unjust? I don't like the war as it is not going well, but it is not unjust.

A dictator invades an ally
We kick his ass out
He agrees to sanctions including inspections
He hampers every inspection and there is growing concern that he is up to no good.
We kick his ass again.

The only thing unjust is that we don't just take over the place like in the old days.

if you think saddam was a threat then you have a lot to learn about the world. iraq was a SECULAR fukkin state, hated by other islamic countries, including hated by bin laden himself, they were no threat to us,

this is exactly what radical muslims wanted, it is a street war in the cities of iraq, not a conventional war, and we are not doing nearly as well people think we are, there is still a segment of the population that believes we are winning over there. nope.

"take over like the good old days", yeah, we went to vietnam 40 yrs ago, how'd that work out for us?

i love my country, i HATE our foreign fukkin policy, we pick and choose who we should "liberate", and this is why the world hates us, we don't give a shit about most atrocities going on in africa but we go after saddam, what a crock of shit

[hoopster42]

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[SBR Lou]

IThe amount of rape that's going on by US soldiers of Iraqi girls is something that concerns me. Someday someone is going to document the pattern and it won't be a pretty picture.

Hell, I read a sworn hearing transcript a few weeks ago where this female American based down in Iraq was drugged and gangraped by her own comrades! No charges were ever filed against them of course, if you'd like I can dig up the link where I read the story but you get the idea, just another horrible thing slipping through the cracks that probably is still going on there.

I know there are bad apples everywhere, but a female has no business volunteering her time in a war zone.

[element1286]

I've just heard stories from two individual I know from two different states who's been to Iraq that had said they killed friendlies and kids for the sake of their own safety.

What does that mean?

Many of our young warriors in Iraq are good kids, raise to do well in school and succeed in college. Many of them never seen violence 1st hand unless their from the ghetto. It is unfortunate that many of our young warriors will come home forever changed, fighting a war that is very unjust.

They know the risks of joining the Army, every person who has been in combat has had their lives changed, unjust war or not.

I was drunk when I heard this, but had to shout this thing out because it really bothers me.

That lends a lot of credibility to your statements.

[betplom]

I know there are bad apples everywhere, but a female has no business volunteering her time in a war zone.

Unless she likes to suck ALOT of cocks!

Those military guys are horny as hell and the only way to have sex with an Iraqi woman is by force, not by asking permission!

Now if a US soldier sires a child outside the US, that child has a claim to US citizenship.

I think this is the US soldiers way of helping the Iraqis, by making US citizen babies with Iraqi women, good strategy!

[pavyracer]

US troops are well trained and behaved. You can't pick 10 isolated incidents and taint the name of 150,000 heroes defending freedom in Iraq from the fanatic terrorists.

[HeeeHAWWWW]

Tell that to the relatives of the two hundred thousand civilians killed by "coalition operations" (and that was the figure from two years ago).

[pavyracer]

Tell that to the relatives of the two hundred thousand civilians killed by "coalition operations" (and that was the figure from two years ago).

If Saddam was still around he would have starved, tortured, chemically attacked and mutilated at least 1 million civilians in the 5.5 years since he was rightfully ousted by freedom loving US Army.

[ManOfValue]

With all that said is America gonna elect another war monger ? I guess we'll see..

[HedgeHog]

If Saddam was still around he would have starved, tortured, chemically attacked and mutilated at least 1 million civilians in the 5.5 years since he was rightfully ousted by freedom loving US Army.

So because we kill/torture less, we're better than Saddam. Good argument.

[pavyracer]

So because we kill/torture less, we're better than Saddam. Good argument.

Saddam was not going to leave on its own good will. We only kill the insurgents that are shooting and attack our army. The insurgents are using the civilian population for cover. We operate under the motto "Shoot first, answer questions later". It has worked to bring stability in the region. Our army will not surrender or retreat against the enemy.

[HeeeHAWWWW]

It has worked to bring stability in the region.

That has to be worth the biggest ROFL in human history. The Middle East is as unstable now as it has been in 30 years.

[element1286]

My question to everyone is no matter what you believe about why the United States went into Iraq, isn't it possible for good things to be done there, and maybe Iraq can be a better place in the long-run?

[ManOfValue]

My question to everyone is no matter what you believe about why the United States went into Iraq, isn't it possible for good things to be done there, and maybe Iraq can be a better place in the long-run?

Gonna be tough, I think the whole thing was mishandled.Bush basically told the UN to piss off in the first place and just went ahead and did whatever he felt like..
The country suffered a big set back, can you imagine war in the streets of NY ?

[element1286]

Gonna be tough, I think the whole thing was mishandled.Bush basically told the UN to piss off in the first place and just went ahead and did whatever he felt like..
The country suffered a big set back, can you imagine war in the streets of NY ?

I agree the thing was mishandled. But going forward it seems to be getting better, and the surge has produced positive results.

But if the United States leaves before the government has a strong hold on the country, wouldn't that be even worse than going in there in the first place? Also, wouldn't it be worse than waiting until the country is stable, and then leaving?

[ManOfValue]

I would like to think so..Its a huge task , you have to earn these people's trust after you went in and tore up their country and listen to their voice...I don't know how anybody even starts, or where do you start..

[ryanXL977]

My question to everyone is no matter what you believe about why the United States went into Iraq, isn't it possible for good things to be done there, and maybe Iraq can be a better place in the long-run?

when ahs invading and occupying a country ever made it better in the long run

EVER?
same thing always happens when big old wars get started by foreigners trying to steal resources, the country who invades goes broke. happens for the last 2000 years and will kepp happening till people stop defending bullshit and lies

[HedgeHog]

Saddam was not going to leave on its own good will. We only kill the insurgents that are shooting and attack our army. The insurgents are using the civilian population for cover. We operate under the motto "Shoot first, answer questions later". It has worked to bring stability in the region. Our army will not surrender or retreat against the enemy.

Many other dictators won't leave their countries either. Do we need to invade Iran, N Korea and other worse places as well? Who made us the Earth's Police?

[ryanXL977]

our economy did just fine when saddam was in charge of iraq
no offense, but i dont give a shit what saddam does to his people, they can deal with it on their own

and this war had very little to do with caring about the welfare of the iraqis, thats fairly obvious now i think

[purecarnagge]

US troops are well trained and behaved. You can't pick 10 isolated incidents and taint the name of 150,000 heroes defending freedom in Iraq from the fanatic terrorists.

You obviously do not know anything about the topic on this thread.

Snipers killing innocents
Contracters engage anyone at will
Animals abused....
Taunting kids by making them chase trucks for water bottles...
Raping Iraqi women...


There are many things that are done. Unjust killings...its pretty much a rule you never go out on patrol without a ak47 to plant incase something goes wrong.

Per a marine whose done two tours,and 1 in afghanistan.

Ever been to a US base...all those honorable men fighting to bang the guys wife while he's deployed... I mean cmon...its pathetic how half them act.

[ryanXL977]

no matter where the war or who the army is, those things all happen
dont start wars and those things probably wont happen

[pavyracer]

War? The insurgents are using IED's to kill my neighbor and your cousin. This is the most cowardly way to attack a warrior. They bring it to us and we respond back with molden steel. We will track them down and will bring them down to their knees till the last one of them is wiped out from the face of Iraq. The US army will not leave behind an unfinished job. When diplomacy fails the steel boot of the american soldier rules.

[ryanXL977]

my neighbor and cousin live in america, iraqis can handle their shit

how many ieds were they before we got there
ZERO

why do you say we? are you in the military?

[pavyracer]

I say WE because the US congress and US president that WE elected authorized this war with overwelming majority. This country will be bent but not broken untill the mission is accomplished. Now go and put a yellow ribbon on the tree outside your door and pray for our troops to be victorious on the battlefront so you can have the freedom to enjoy in your town where you live.

[Tsoprano]

Unjust? I don't like the war as it is not going well, but it is not unjust.

A dictator invades an ally
We kick his ass out
He agrees to sanctions including inspections
He hampers every inspection and there is growing concern that he is up to no good.
We kick his ass again.

The only thing unjust is that we don't just take over the place like in the old days.

People like you is why we are in these giant messes. WHO CARES HOW HE DICTATES HIS COUNTRY!! IT IS NOT our business, but it has resulted in deaths in thousands of soldiers... FIGHTING FOR OTHER COUNTRY'S RIGHTS?

R I D I C U L O U S

[HedgeHog]

War? The insurgents are using IED's to kill my neighbor and your cousin. This is the most cowardly way to attack a warrior. They bring it to us and we respond back with molden steel. We will track them down and will bring them down to their knees till the last one of them is wiped out from the face of Iraq. The US army will not leave behind an unfinished job. When diplomacy fails the steel boot of the american soldier rules.

Hard to argue with someone who doesn't even believe his own posts. You'll post anything outrageous for a response.

[frostno98]

My question to everyone is no matter what you believe about why the United States went into Iraq, isn't it possible for good things to be done there, and maybe Iraq can be a better place in the long-run?

No. These turbin head fvckers will fight us until the end of the century. Just look at the Israelly and Palestinians going at it for a thousand years already.

The only reason we went to Iraq was to flex our military might on the MiddleEast and avenge the 9-11 victims, everything else is just a made up excuse to go in, similar to the Tonkin Resolution in Vietnam.

Were not really winning any of them Arabs trust overthere. Were not pumping out cheap gas from there. So whathafvck are we doing their, besides making our youngs troop target pratice for IEDS. What the hell are we getting out of this mess.

[Tsoprano]

All those deaths and money gone, and Bin Laden has never been caught, only a person that Bush had a vengeance with back from his Father's day (Saddam).

[ryanXL977]

I say WE because the US congress and US president that WE elected authorized this war with overwelming majority. This country will be bent but not broken untill the mission is accomplished. Now go and put a yellow ribbon on the tree outside your door and pray for our troops to be victorious on the battlefront so you can have the freedom to enjoy in your town where you live.

i assume you are joking or else the GOP gives you these stupid ass talking points. i didnt vote for bush either time and i dont think he was elected the first time. because our politicians make bad decisions does not mean i have to support them. ben franklin and thomas jefferson would be very ashamed of your blind allegiance

go read

[hoopster42]

i assume you are joking or else the GOP gives you these stupid ass talking points. i didnt vote for bush either time and i dont think he was elected the first time. because our politicians make bad decisions does not mean i have to support them. ben franklin and thomas jefferson would be very ashamed of your blind allegiance

go read

exactly. GOVERNOR GEORGE W. BUSH and his band of assholes stole BOTH elections. hanging chads in south florida in '00 and irregularities in the voting machines in ohio '04, and guess what, a company that backs the GOP with campaign contributions is the one that built the voting machines! go ahead and look it up doubters,

the swing states in '00 (florida) and '04 (ohio) and the GOP gets BOTH of them through irregularities

GOVERNOR BUSH = the WORST president the US has ever had, bar none