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  • sportsbooksucks
    SBR Rookie
    • 07-11-08
    • 7

    #1
    sportsbook.com exposed article hits AP tomorrow- here is a sneak peak
    SPORTSBOOK.COM Distributes Millions of Dollars of Bad Checks to Customers in U.S. and Abroad

    (Dallas, TX, July 16, 2008) Sportsbook.com, a leading internet sportsbook/casino/poker website, has distributed millions of dollars in worthless checks to their winning clients in the United States, Canada and abroad over the last three weeks, and are currently holding millions more of processed winnings to thousands of U.S. clients.
    Sportsbook.com, located in Costa Rica, is one of many internet gaming websites owned by Jazette Enterprises Limited operating out of Antigua and Barbuda. Sportsbook.com was first notified of the issue on July 3rd when their clients started calling to complain of bad checks written to them by Zip Payments, a major “withdrawal” processor of Sportsbook.com, located in Henderson, NV.
    By Monday morning, July 7th, Sportsbook.com customer service reps, supervisors and managers became inundated with calls from angry clients who demanded answers. Sportsbook.com had no answers for them and said at the time they were trying to contact their processors to find the source of the problem.
    Meanwhile, Zip Payments was also being berated by calls, and their “Help Desk” was instructed to patch calls to their overseas customer service operations. They in turn referred calls to the overseas service merchant for Sportsbook.com, a company called Graapa out of Barcelona, Spain. Graapa, a large international merchant processor for several online gaming companies, among many other industries, had no comment on the matter and referred all clients to Sportsbook.com.
    By Monday afternoon, July 7th, online gaming message boards and online gaming forums were filling with massive complaints about Sportsbook.com, along with other online gaming/casino’s owned by the Jazette Corporation. Sportsbookreview.com, an online website that hosts these forums and rates online gaming companies, quickly downgraded the Sportsbook.com website to a “D- rating.” Hours later, hundreds of sportsbook.com clients were posting stories and details of the many bad checks and the charge-backs associated with them.
    On July 8th, Sportsbook.com upper management confirmed that they had lost their major withdrawal processor in the U.S. (Zip Payments) and were in the process of trying to quote “recoup the funds.” However, customer service reps, supervisors and management for Sportsbook.com offered no explanation and no plan of action as to the re-issuance of the bad checks.
    (more)

    Sportsbook.com (continued- page 2)

    Upper management at Sportsbook.com on July 8th estimated over 5,000 customers and an approximate amount of $4-5 million in bad checks were issued, but they had no clear way of knowing for sure.
    According to JoAnna Martinez, customer service manager for Sportsbook.com, “Until the client calls us and tells us that their check has bounced, we have no idea how many checks over the last three weeks that were distributed were actually bad checks,” as we cannot confirm with our processor.”
    By Tuesday afternoon, Zip Payments corporate office phones in Henderson and Las Vegas had been disconnected, and their so-called “Help Desk”, which is the phone number given on all of the bad checks, were quoted as “laughing and berating” those that called in questioning the bad checks issued by Zip Payments.
    In addition to the worthless checks that were issued, Sportsbook.com also was dealing with clients who for the last month had been “expecting winning checks to arrive.” The normal time frame for Sportsbook.com to release a check once it has “been approved by processors” was two to three weeks. Those that had waited that long and more soon learned by the end of the day from customer service reps that without a withdrawal processor, absolutely no winning checks were going to be distributed.
    Once word spread thousands more began to post messages on the online gaming forums citing their complaints and Sportsbook.com’s lack of communication.
    A few select emails to specific clients were sent by Sportsbook.com apologizing and citing the issue as quote: “which would appear to be resultant of an error in the transmission of funds.” This statement and apology did little to satisfy the wandering minds of thousands of suspicious clients who were now wondering if Sportsbook.com was going under.
    Sportsbook.com finally sent an official email out to their clients on Thursday morning, July 10th. For the complete transcript of the contents of this email, go to http://forum.sbrforum.com/sportsbook...-73395-p8.html and scroll down until you see the entire email message. An excerpt from this email reads:
    “Since the UIGEA was passed almost 2 years ago it has had varied success
    in clamping down on banking transactions involved with online gaming.
    Unfortunately the easiest form of transactions to trace and tackle are paper checks sent out to you, our customer. As a result of this all of our current check processors' have found it increasingly difficult to get your checks to you.
    At this point I would like to reassure you that a similar situation has
    happened previously, and on a much greater scale.”
    (more)
    Sportsbook.com (continued- page 3)

    Sportsbook.com customer service reps still refused to offer a timeline for settlement of these bad checks. They only commented that those that had bad checks in the amount of $5,000 and over could “possibly” receive their funds wired into their accounts for a fee. Reps went on to clarify though that quote “only 4-6 wire transfers could be done per day, and they were backlogged for 4-6 weeks already with requests.”
    By Friday, July 11th, online message boards repeatedly told stories of berate clients who continuously received no firm answers and no firm timelines for the re-issuance of the checks. By Friday afternoon, customer service reps for Sportsbook.com were telling their clients different timelines. According to the message boards on sportsbookreview.com, some were told 5-9 weeks. Some were told 3-5 weeks. One blogger even reported Sportsbook.com had told him “it may be year before he would receive any funds.”
    Clients also began to wonder if they had no way to disperse the winning funds, why were they still operating and taking in deposits and wagers from their clients? Martinez, customer service manager, stated that at that time only an estimated 5% of clients had been effected; however, on July 16th, “Gef”, a customer service supervisor under Martinez (he is not allowed to give out his last name- only managers can provide their actual names) said that “all three (3) ‘deposit processors’ for Sportsbook.com were still in place, and that we are currently searching for a ‘withdrawals’ processor.”
    “Gef” also stated on Tuesday, July 16th that “over 8,000 customers were estimated to have been effected (significantly higher than Martinez had estimated the week prior.) “Gef” refused to provide an estimated dollar amount associated with these 8,000 customers who had now received bad checks, but that it was quote “in the millions.”
    “Gef” then stated that the cause of the bad checks was now due to “the United States federal government finding out about the ‘Zip Payments’ accounts.” He continued that “it was the federal government that closed the Zip Payment accounts at the Nevada State Bank, and Sportsbook.com had still not recovered the funds.” Calls to Nevada State Bank officials to confirm this statement were unreturned, other than one return call from a marketing director named Sandi Milton who said she could not even find “Zip Payments” in their system. She then never responded after several repeated attempts to contact her.

    (more)

    Sportsbook.com (continued- page 4)

    Message boards also confirmed that Sportsbook.com customer service reps were now using this new “federal government crackdown claim” as to the reason of the widespread bad checks, now reported to also be occurring to clients in Canada and to other online gaming/casino websites owned by the Jazette Corportation.
    Sportsbook.com had a similar incident in 2007 with their processors, yet all clients eventually were paid, that according to Martinez. The email to sportsbook.com clients referenced this incident and assured everyone would eventually get paid:

    “How is this reassurance? Absolutely every single one of our customers got their pending payouts. Admittedly it took a little time, and a lot of effort, but
    we have never missed a payout and I assure you, we never will.
    We also intend to put into practice the valuable experience we gained
    during the previous situation. Our processors at the time gave us
    timeframes after which they estimated situation would be resolved. We passed
    these timeframes on to our concerned customers, only to have our
    processors move the goalposts time and time again. This only served to
    frustrate everyone involved.

    While many customers are content to wait it out without a firm timeline, many others are suffering the hardships associated with large checks being charged back to their accounts. Sportsbook.com has agreed since day one to pay any of their clients’ ********** fees and returned transaction fees; however, this is of no help to one particular 23-year old client who threatened suicide with his post he made to a message board on sportbookreview.com. He posts as the name of “SBruinedmylife” and here is his message he posted:

    “I’m only 23 years old i just bought my house and brand new car with my online poker winnings I’ve won over 80 k this year but it’s all gone now and I’m in debt, I’m completely screwed id go play in a casino but i dont have the stake and my family doesn’t help me out at all i hate my life and honestly contemplated suicide because of these ****s”. “do you understand what an overdrawn account, terrible credit a repossessed car and eviction means? I haven’t slept in a week.

    When “Gef” (sportsbook.com customer service supervisor) was asked how he feels about his clients contemplating suicide because of the thousands of dollars of bounced checks owed to him, “Gef” simply replied “Sounds like he has a major problem.”

    (more)


    Sportsbook.com (continued- page 5)

    While this particular client seems to be an extreme case, the message boards are filled with stories of charged back checks, and the quick needs of these people to receive what Sportsbook.com owes them. Hundreds of messages are also warning fellow players to stay away from Sportsbook.com, and many more are also advising their peers to steer clear of online gambling for good. Says one “sportsbooksucks” message:

    “DO NOT, I REPEAT DO NOT SPEND ANY MORE OF YOUR MONEY ON AN ONLINE GAMBLING SITE- GET IN YOUR CAR, GO TO A CASINO, WIN YOUR MONEY, GO THE CASHIER AND WALK OUT OF THEIR WITH YOUR MONEY IN YOUR POCKET! not only are these online companies playing with your mind and your money, they are also collecting interest by holding your money as ransom for weeks upon weeks at a time.”

    As of late Wednesday afternoon, July 16th, “Gef” stated that “All customer service managers and directors were absent from work, as they were in joint meetings in an attempt to find solutions to re-disperse the bad checks to these clients.”
    Twelve days have now passed and other than one official email, there has been no further communication initiated by Sportsbook.com to their client base. Tempers are raging in the message boards, and the situation is likely to get much worse before it gets any better.
    As the U.S. federal government continues in its efforts to limit and eliminate online gambling, Sportsbook.com, and the entire Jazette family of sportsbooks/casinos and online poker internet sites, among others, are likely to continue to encounter setbacks of this magnitude.

    ###

    NOTE: Zip Payments, Graapa, and the Nevada State Bank all refused interviews for this story.
  • SBR_John
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 07-12-05
    • 16471

    #2
    Well alright then. That took a while to write and a lot of digging. Good job.
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    • SBR Lou
      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
      • 08-02-07
      • 37863

      #3
      I think it's a sticky situation either way. Most balance holders aren't thrilled with this exposure because in a sense they feel it lessens their chance for a smooth recovery of their funds, then again maybe it'll light a fire under the Jazette group.
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      • durito
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 07-03-06
        • 13173

        #4
        No mention of the $250,000 they stole from players last year?

        This is shop #1 most likely to close up with everyone's money. If they get enough bad publicity they may do just that. I wouldn't want that article published.
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        • MonkeyF0cker
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 06-12-07
          • 12144

          #5
          I'm really not a fan of mainstream exposure to this article since it casts a dim light on the Internet gambling industry as a whole. I wish there were some comparisons with Sportsbook.com to the more responsible books out there so that this book doesn't end up representing the entire industry...
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          • SBR Lou
            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
            • 08-02-07
            • 37863

            #6
            Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker
            I'm really not a fan of mainstream exposure to this article since it casts a dim light on the Internet gambling industry as a whole. I wish there were some comparisons with Sportsbook.com to the more responsible books out there so that this book doesn't end up representing the entire industry...
            Sharp point, and I agree.

            Most regular people or even law enforcement types won't make the connection that there ARE actually a few honest books out there. Will just provide people more bulletin board material for their online gambling hardon.
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            • Bill Dozer
              www.twitter.com/BillDozer
              • 07-12-05
              • 10894

              #7
              Sportsbook.com gets mainstream exposure on their own. I think they had a billboard in Vegas until recently. Unfortunately due to their URL and marketing power they often represent the idea of the business for the newbie. That was one of the good things about Bodog's aggressive marketing campaigns. When people would Google them or ask about who they are, they found a book that always paid and represented entertainment betting well. People researched Sportsbook.com and find a cheating book.

              Good article. Any Sportsbook.com warning is a service to bettors and the industry.
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              • HedgeHog
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 09-11-07
                • 10128

                #8
                Originally posted by crazyl
                I think it's a sticky situation either way. Most balance holders aren't thrilled with this exposure because in a sense they feel it lessens their chance for a smooth recovery of their funds, then again maybe it'll light a fire under the Jazette group.
                Don't you have an account with one of the Jazette Books? Shams and you have been the biggest supporters of these ripoff Books the past year.

                PS To be fair, I think you belong to one of the few affiliates that went against parent SB and actually paid clients.
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                • compaqDikk
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 10-08-05
                  • 5699

                  #9
                  why can't they paid the 85 dime guy with 8500 $100 prepaid access cards?
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                  • SBR Lou
                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                    • 08-02-07
                    • 37863

                    #10
                    Originally posted by HedgeHog
                    Don't you have an account with one of the Jazette Books? Shams and you have been the biggest supporters of these ripoff Books the past year.

                    PS To be fair, I think you belong to one of the few affiliates that went against parent SB and actually paid clients.
                    Well, I don't know that I've been one of their biggest supporters, to date I've never even received a check from them. I basically funded them only when I needed to get down on something pronto, their credit card acceptance is what led me to them.

                    I did argue a lot that they got a bad shake from a lot of posters, because during the busier months they were indeed paying winners out, and not just the small ones. Shams has posted some of his screenshots and I have no reason to doubt he (and others) physically received their checks. The stuff going on now is inexcusable though.
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                    • Stewmoney
                      SBR Hustler
                      • 07-13-08
                      • 60

                      #11
                      anyone else think that it is more than a coincidence that both times this happened it was in the offseason of sportsbetting? I don't see this happening during the NFL playoffs.
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                      • durito
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 07-03-06
                        • 13173

                        #12
                        But, stealing $250,000 from players last year was excusable?
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                        • HedgeHog
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 09-11-07
                          • 10128

                          #13
                          Originally posted by durito
                          But, stealing $250,000 from players last year was excusable?
                          Good to see you back, Durito. 9 grand of that was mine--that's why I'm calling Crazyl out on this. Can't believe anyone would support a crap Book like this. I expect this from Shams, but not an SBR Mod.
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                          • MrX
                            SBR MVP
                            • 01-10-06
                            • 1540

                            #14
                            Originally posted by compaqDikk
                            why can't they paid the 85 dime guy with 8500 $100 prepaid access cards?
                            Because that would be $850,000?

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                            • azkid
                              SBR Rookie
                              • 01-27-07
                              • 46

                              #15
                              Um

                              Um, are you claiming that there is an AP story hitting the wire tomorrow? Or is this something you're sending to the AP tomorrow?

                              There's no way that an AP story looks ANYTHING like the text of this post.

                              While the AP may certainly be writing a story about sportsbook (although I doubt it), I guarantee you the writing will be better than this.
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                              • SBR_John
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 07-12-05
                                • 16471

                                #16
                                What would just the URL, sportsbook.com fetch in this market? Have to be more than $2m. Could be around $4 million maybe even $5.
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                                • JBC77
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 03-23-07
                                  • 3816

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by SBR_John
                                  Well alright then. That took a while to write and a lot of digging. Good job.
                                  Was it not three weeks ago you asked if this was the end? Why don't people listen.
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                                  • ico2525
                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                    • 07-30-08
                                    • 598

                                    #18
                                    LOL! Zip Payments is located in Henderson, NV? WOW! You'd think a business located in the Las Vegas area would be better than that.

                                    Their public phone number no longer works. I only live about 2-3 miles away from their office at 2481 W Horizon Ridge Pkwy #100. No, I won't blow the place up, but damn they've caused a lot of problems.

                                    I called Nevada State Bank. The lady I spoke with (who put me on hold for a bit to speak with a supervisor) said basically that she could neither confirm nor deny Zip Payments as a client / account holder, nor could she comment that there might or might not have been federal intervention in this case. So in essence, she knows nothing, but I'm pretty sure her supervisor knew something.

                                    This shit is making me sick. You know, I think I'm soon going to quit sports betting. I play poker online, and if I want to play other casino games, I'll drive to the Palm Springs area since I'm not yet 21. Maybe I'll take it up again when Barack Obama is President of the United States.
                                    This is making me sick.
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                                    • pico
                                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                      • 04-05-07
                                      • 27321

                                      #19
                                      where is shamuswhoof? i am pretty sure this is just a mix up...he'll give us the inside scoop
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                                      • bmw530i
                                        Restricted User
                                        • 04-19-08
                                        • 4058

                                        #20
                                        Luckysplits a friend that plays at sportsbook 5/10 no limit poker game almost every night, says they are in big trouble, some russians took them for some big scores. Even fulltilt its been 19 business days for my check wtf and fulltilts customer support sucks. Pokerstars I have to say is very good.
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                                        • BrentCrude
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 11-16-05
                                          • 4665

                                          #21
                                          Where is Shamswolf???I was just like Sham where I liked this outfit up until February when they screwed me.
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