Playing against a stacked deck

incite · 07-13-08, 05:24 PM

Originally posted by WileOut

So you are saying the Patriot players fixed the game? The game to end their perfect season and win a superbowl and become the greatest team of all time?

If not then who fixed it?

You do the math - as I have stated in previous post I've been around long enough to say I've seen it all. When most people think in terms of game fixing they thing all out to no end rigging. You don't have to fix every play of a game to rig the game. It only takes one or two critical calls in a game be it by players, coaches in the press box or officials to sway the outcome of a sporting event.

WileOut · 07-13-08, 05:26 PM

LOL the WWF as in wrestling? You think the majority of adults thought that it is real?

As for the superbowl, it was just a great game. It was not fixed. The Patriots made plays and the Giants made plays. There were no controversial calls.

incite · 07-13-08, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker

Probably one of the dumbest posts I've ever read in my lifetime. When you say general public, you must mean you and your retarded cousin Darryl, because you're about the only two in the universe that ever thought WWF wrestling was legitimate.

Call it what you will, all I can say to you is keep looking with an unconventional eye and sooner or later you two will view sports in a different light. Please don't get upset with me, I'm not saying nor have I said don't bet the games, I saying I've broaden my understanding of what's really going with sports betting and I hava adopted to the current environment and I capitalize when opportunity presents itself.

incite · 07-13-08, 05:35 PM

Originally posted by WileOut

LOL the WWF as in wrestling? You think the majority of adults thought that it is real?

As for the superbowl, it was just a great game. It was not fixed. The Patriots made plays and the Giants made plays. There were no controversial calls.

Now that wrestling has been exposed for what it is, no I don't think most adults view it as being real. But many, many years ago before wrestling was exposed many people believed it was real. I assure you in the future the same will happen in other sports where collusion is present.

element1286 · 07-13-08, 05:37 PM

Originally posted by incite

Now that wrestling has been exposed for what it is, no I don't think most adults view it as being real. But many, many years ago before wrestling was exposed many people believed it was real. I assure you in the future the same will happen in other sports where collusion is present.

So you are saying there is organizational game fixing from the top of each of the major professional sports leagues?

MonkeyF0cker · 07-13-08, 05:39 PM

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WileOut · 07-13-08, 05:41 PM

Originally posted by incite

Now that wrestling has been exposed for what it is, no I don't think most adults view it as being real. But many, many years ago before wrestling was exposed many people believed it was real. I assure you in the future the same will happen in other sports where collusion is present.

OK

MonkeyF0cker · 07-13-08, 05:41 PM

Originally posted by incite

Call it what you will, all I can say to you is keep looking with an unconventional eye and sooner or later you two will view sports in a different light. Please don't get upset with me, I'm not saying nor have I said don't bet the games, I saying I've broaden my understanding of what's really going with sports betting and I hava adopted to the current environment and I capitalize when opportunity presents itself.

Thanks for the advice but I'll let the FACTS speak for themselves and leave the fairy tales up to you...

incite · 07-13-08, 05:41 PM

Originally posted by element1286

So you are saying there is organizational game fixing from the top of each of the major professional sports leagues?

What I'm saying is - where money can be made it will be made to include fixing games. Please don't be so naive to think everything is on the up and up in the world of sports.

Get real.

element1286 · 07-13-08, 05:43 PM

Originally posted by incite

What I'm saying is - where money can be made it will be made to include fixing games. Please don't so naive not to think everything is on the up and up in the world of sports.

Get real.

Then where is the fixing coming from?

MonkeyF0cker · 07-13-08, 05:45 PM

Who exactly "exposed" the WWF as phony? I suppose you had a hand in that amazing breakthrough as well...

incite · 07-13-08, 05:48 PM

Originally posted by element1286

Then where is the fixing coming from?

If you can't figure that out then you now have two problems. 1) are some games really fixed and 2) who's fixing them.

My question to you is - if by chance a game is fixed who do you think could possibly fix it.

element1286 · 07-13-08, 05:51 PM

Originally posted by incite

If you can't figure that out then you now have two problems. 1) are some games really fix and 2) who's fixing them.

My question to you is - if by chance a game is fixed who do you think could possibly fix it.

I can figure it out, I just want to know who you are accusing of fixing games.

incite · 07-13-08, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by element1286

I can figure it out, I just want to know who you are accusing of fixing games.

Once again, I'm not accusing anyone of fixing games. I simply making a statement that with the understanding that games can be and often are fix. With this recognition a bettor can benefit, its call unconventional untraditiol waging. I'll go on to say - I have made much money from what you seem to perceive as ill fated thinking.

I know what I know and it works for me. I'm not trying to convince or convert you to do something other than what you have been doing. Just remember it was written that a special title is given to a man who repeats his efforts time and time again and expect a different outcome.

It may be time for a change in the way things are viewed.

element1286 · 07-13-08, 06:01 PM

Originally posted by incite

Once again, I'm not accusing anyone of fixing games. I simply making a statement that with the understanding that games can be and often are fix. With this recognition a bettor can benefit, its call unconventional untraditiol waging. I'll go on to say - I have made much money from what you seem to perceive as ill fated thinking.

I know what I know and it works for me. I'm not trying to convince or convert you to do something other than what you have been doing. Just remember is was written that a special title is given to a man who repeats his efforts time and time again and expect different outcomes.

It may be time for a change in the way things are viewed.

Alright, whatever.

MonkeyF0cker · 07-13-08, 06:03 PM

LOL. The guy is off his fvckin rocker...

incite · 07-13-08, 06:09 PM

Originally posted by element1286

Alright, whatever.

Finally, if what you are doing is successful that's great. I wish you the very best in you quest to succeed in the world of sports wagering.

I appreciate your time and patience while chatting with me. I can truly say we differ on several issues but you have been nothing less than a gentle and a scholar with stating you views.

Thanks,

Brady2Moss · 07-13-08, 06:09 PM

There is proof that the NBA is rigged, countless games this last season were soo rigged it made me sick.

Sports like NFL, NBA, NHL are too easy to rig by refs.

MLB is much harder to rig

Brady2Moss · 07-13-08, 06:10 PM

MLB is a safe sport because there is no way they can rig EVERY game, just stick to low profile games and you will be fine.

element1286 · 07-13-08, 06:10 PM

Originally posted by incite

Finally, if what you are doing is successful that's great. I wish you the very best in you quest to succeed in the world of sports wagering.

I appreciate your time an patience while chatting with me. I can truly say we differ on several issues but you have been nothing less than a gentle and a scholar with stating you views.

Thanks,

Alright bro, good luck to you as well.

incite · 07-13-08, 06:12 PM

Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker

LOL. The guy is off his fvckin rocker...

I might be - but what if I'm right on the mark with my assessments, then that means you have a real problem of your own sir and you haven't figured that out yet.

pokernut9999 · 07-13-08, 06:15 PM

Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker

That's just not true. How do you think bookies made money in the past? Its because historically the public is unable to pick winners. The Super Bowl is the worst possible example you could have given. You are completely misinformed. The public bet the Giants heavily. It was the first time that Vegas has ever lost money on a Super Bowl.

Vegas has lost money on other Super Bowls.

The worst was when a team opened up a 3 to 3.5 point favorite and the public was on them early running the line to 4 to 4.5 at close.

All the late money went on the dog and the favorite won the game by 4 points and just about every bet won against the books.

I am sure some people know which game this was. Was before most the guys on this forum were old enough to bet.

MonkeyF0cker · 07-13-08, 06:18 PM

I'm really not worried at all about that prospect...

incite · 07-13-08, 06:20 PM

Originally posted by Brady2Moss

There is proof that the NBA is rigged, countless games this last season were soo rigged it made me sick.

Sports like NFL, NBA, NHL are too easy to rig by refs.

MLB is much harder to rig

The fix is all over the lot, NFL, NBA, NHL etc. However, all the games aren't fixed. I have placed thousands of dollars on games that appeared to be the right game. Only to find out well prior to the games conclusion, I bought a fix. Did anyong have the Yankees game today, I feel for those who did. The Yankees never show up at the ball park.

rcn848 · 07-13-08, 06:21 PM

This is one of the classic loser opinions: "I can't win at gambling, therefor no else must be able to" or "it's fixed"

Just because you cannot profit from gambling on sports does not mean it is fixed or that other people can't profit (they do)

donjuan · 07-13-08, 06:22 PM

Prime example: New York Giants over the New England Patriots. The general betting public stacked money to the ceiling on the Patriots.

Sick level, dude.

incite · 07-13-08, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by rcn848

This is one of the classic loser opinions: "I can't win at gambling, therefor no else must be able to" or "it's fixed"

Just because you cannot profit from gambling on sports does not mean it is fixed or that other people can't profit (they do)

I beg to differ sir - on the contrary I am a very successful bettor. I try to limit my exposure as a gambler. I don't know how long you have been sports betting, I've been doing this for over thirty years and I know what I know. I'm not trying to dissuade you from doing anything. Please ignor me and do what you do.

Go for it.

donjuan · 07-13-08, 06:30 PM

Please define very successful. Based on your OP, you don't have a clue.

MonkeyF0cker · 07-13-08, 06:33 PM

Originally posted by pokernut9999

Vegas has lost money on other Super Bowls.

The worst was when a team opened up a 3 to 3.5 point favorite and the public was on them early running the line to 4 to 4.5 at close.

All the late money went on the dog and the favorite won the game by 4 points and just about every bet won against the books.

I am sure some people know which game this was. Was before most the guys on this forum were old enough to bet.

Hmm. I thought it was the first but could be wrong. They definitely lost in the Giants/Patriots Super Bowl according to the Nevada Gaming Control Board numbers I posted...

The only game that fits that bill, according to Super Bowl line histories, is the 1971 SB with the Baltimore Colts/Dallas Cowboys. The line closed at -2.5 for the Colts and they won by 3 (16-13).

incite · 07-13-08, 06:35 PM

Originally posted by donjuan

Please define very successful. Based on your OP, you don't have a clue.

I my or my not have a clue. It is apparent that you are clueless and that is why you are on this board looking for help. You will not find any real help here sir. You will only sink deeper into that black hole of hopelessness. Who are you to question my level of success.

donjuan · 07-13-08, 06:40 PM

It is apparent that you are clueless and that is why you are on this board looking for help.

So what subject on sports betting do you want me to pwn you on?

You will not find any real help here sir.

Not in this thread, no. From Ganchrow, yes.

Who are you to question my level of success

You open yourself up to it with such a mind numbingly moronic OP. The best part was that all the smart money was on the Giants. Lollercoaster.

MonkeyF0cker · 07-13-08, 06:42 PM

Well since you are offering this vast degree of insight, I don't think its unreasonable to inquire as to the success you've endured in "fix detection".

incite · 07-13-08, 06:47 PM

Originally posted by donjuan

So what subject on sports betting do you want me to pwn you on?

Not in this thread, no. From Ganchrow, yes.

You open yourself up to it with such a mind numbingly moronic OP. The best part was that all the smart money was on the Giants. Lollercoaster.

Again, with all due respect, you continue to do what you do and I will continue to do what I do. That way the both of us will be happy. I don't need any one to tell me who to bet on. There was a growing consense that the Patriots would win the Super Bowl sir. Instead, the Giants won and so did I (substantially).

Thank you!

MonkeyF0cker · 07-13-08, 06:48 PM

Originally posted by donjuan

You open yourself up to it with such a mind numbingly moronic OP. The best part was that all the smart money was on the Giants. Lollercoaster.

Even half of the square money was on the Giants. The guy is clueless...

rcn848 · 07-13-08, 06:54 PM

Originally posted by incite

Again, with all due respect, you continue to do what you do and I will continue to do what I do. That way the both of us will be happy. I don't need any one to tell me who to bet on. There was a growing consense that the Patriots would win the Super Bowl sir. Instead, the Giants won and so did I (substantially).

Thank you!

Really? -- the consensus was that an 18-0 12 pt favorite would in fact win the super bowl? Wow