Playing against a stacked deck

[incite]

I like most of you have gambled on sports for many years. It became apparently clear to me many years ago that game fixing is rampant throughout the sporting industry.
Games are fix on a routine basis. The latest revelation and the magnitude to which tennis matches are fixed is only the tip of the iceberg. The admission of game fixing by the NBA official is a prime example of how extensive this deceitful money making enterprise has evolved. Do you think for one minute that he was the only official to ever have any involvement in game fixing, You better think again!!!

Back in the day prior to sophisticated computerized programing we had a chance to beat the book. Those days are over, in todays high tech state of the art world of computerization, you don't stand a chance. The beating public are suckers, they are being lead like cattle to the slaughter (see - Charles Barkley and other high profile athletics who got caught up in the gambling hype). High ranking executives, game officals and the players themselves are all in on the take. The world of sports is merely a multi-billion dollar circus act complete with scripts and in most cases, a predetermined outcome. One of the biggest fraudulent schemes on the sports scene today is the New York Yankees. The Yankees will continue to lose as long as the suckers continue to stack large sums of money on them to win.

[element1286]

There is too much to lose for the leagues, games are not fixed.

[MrX]

Guess I'll pack it in, then.

[incite]

There is too much to lose for the leagues, games are not fixed.

Are you saying the NBA official who admitted to fixing games is lying. I agree with you on the point you made. There is to much to lose - if they don't take advantage of whats available. Look again and this time look very close you will see it.

[element1286]

Are you saying the NBA official who admitted to fixing games is lying. I agree with you on the point you made. There is to much to lose - if they don't take advantage of whats available. Look again and this time look very close you will see it.

No, I am saying there is no organizational fixing of games, I wouldn't be surprised if there are some players or managers or officials are trying to influence games. But it is very hard to do, and is not widespread, IMO.

[incite]

There is too much to lose for the leagues, games are not fixed.

By no means what so ever - instead play with the understanding that games are fix on a regular basis. Or you can play recklessly and you will see what the outcome will be. Ask Charles Barkley?

[element1286]

By no means what so ever - instead play with the understanding that games are fix on a regular basis. Or you can play recklessly and you will see what the outcome will be. Ask Charles Barkley?

And you know this how?

[Brady2Moss]

I think that some games are rigged, not all, but some...

I have seen some fishy things happen, especially in the NBA. I think if you stick to low profile games they are less likely to be rigged.

A good rule of thumb is, NEVER bet playoffs and never bet Monday night, Sunday night or any highly televised games.

[MrX]

You're right.

If Charles Barkley can't win gambling, what hope is there for any of us?

[pat venditto]

Games aren't rigged. Sometimes things don't go your way and bad beats happen. Gotta have discipline and try to learn from other sucessful cappers how to not go broke.

[rcn848]

what will i do with myself now

[INVEGA MAN]

You got to hope you are on the right side that is fixed

[incite]

And you know this how?

Prior to the new legislature barring me (resident of the U.S.) from playing at a euro book. I only played live In Play, I would watch games looking for unusual or out of the ordinary occurances in the games. I frequently spotted them and place my bet accordingly, I made money as a result.

[MonkeyF0cker]

I think you're way off base here. It's because of the computerized technology that many fixes are caught now. A classic example is tennis fixing. Authorities are able to track betting patterns through Betfair to catch any potential match fixing. In turn, the liklihood of being caught increases dramatically and it serves as a deterent to match fixing. When the books go unregulated and without monitoring, that is where there is much greater risk for fixing games. The technology actually makes it a more fair environment for handicappers rather than stacking the deck against sharps...

[incite]

I think you're way off base here. It's because of the computerized technology that many fixes are caught now. A classic example is tennis fixing. Authorities are able to track betting patterns through Betfair to catch any potential match fixing. In turn, the liklihood of being caught increases dramatically and it serves as a deterent to match fixing. When the books go unregulated and without monitoring, that is where there is much greater risk for fixing games. The technology actually makes it a more fair environment for handicappers rather than stacking the deck against sharps...

On the other hand - its technology that enables game fixers at the top of the food chain to know which side of a game is being heavily betted on. The majority of the betting public is wrong the majority of the time. Hence, these trends are easily identified and lead to opportunties for corruption and collusion.

I'm not speaking of game fixing in the sence that a game is fixed so that an individual profits, although it happens. I'm talking about the psychology that influence the masses who rely on logic to predetermind the outcome of and event and as a consequent they taken to the cleaners. I talking major league - big money maker. Prime example: New York Giants over the New England Patriots. The general betting public stacked money to the ceiling on the Patriots. The books and other interest made out like a bandit on that game.

I don't think every game is fixed, one fixed game is one to many in my opinion if some poor unsuspecting sap is the mark.

[element1286]

On the other hand - its technology that enables game fixers at the top of the food chain to know which side of a game is being heavily betted on. The majority of the betting public is wrong the majority of the time. Hence, these trends are easily identified and lead to opportunties for corruption and collusion.

I'm not speaking of game fixing in the sence that a game is fixed so that an individual profits, although it happens. I'm talking about the psychology that influence the masses who rely on logic to predetermind the outcome of and event and as a consequent they taken to the cleaners. I talking major league - big money maker. Prime example: New York Giants over the New England Patriots. The general betting public stacked money to the ceiling on the Patriots. The books and other interest made out like a bandit on that game.

I don't think every game is fixed, one fixed game is one to many in my opinion if some poor unsuspecting sap is the mark.

I thought the books lost money on that game, there were a lot of people who took the Giants moneyline.

[englishmike]

My favourite scam of recent times was the far-east betting syndicate who were having massive bets on Evening Premier League soccer matches and they paid off the resident electrician at each stadium so they could blow the power and have the game abandoned if they were losing so they would get their money back. Great idea, the only problem was, after two blackouts in two weeks on national television, they weren't exactly 'under the radar.'

[element1286]

My favourite scam of recent times was the far-east betting syndicate who were having massive bets on Evening Premier League soccer matches and they paid off the resident electrician at each stadium so they could blow the power and have the game abandoned if they were losing so they would get their money back. Great idea, the only problem was, after two blackouts in two weeks on national television, they weren't exactly 'under the radar.'

Haha, thats good stuff.

[MonkeyF0cker]

That's just not true. How do you think bookies made money in the past? Its because historically the public is unable to pick winners. The Super Bowl is the worst possible example you could have given. You are completely misinformed. The public bet the Giants heavily. It was the first time that Vegas has ever lost money on a Super Bowl.

[VegasDave]

Funny how when you are on the side that comes back from down 5 - 0 in the 9th it is sharp handicapping and justice, but when it goes against you it is a fix.

[incite]

I thought the books lost money on that game, there were a lot of people who took the Giants moneyline.

Rest assured, many took the Giants. I took the Giants and I received a sizeable return on my investment. However, the betting public took the Patriots to win that game minus the point spread. That was a real setup sucker bet.

[incite]

Funny how when you are on the side that comes back from down 5 - 0 in the 9th it is sharp handicapping and justice, but when it goes against you it is a fix.

Not all games are fixed, thing like winning a baseball game after being down big in the 9th happens.

[MonkeyF0cker]

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[element1286]

Rest assured, many took the Giants. I took the Giants and I received a sizeable return on my investment. However, the betting public took the Patriots to win that game minus the point spread. That was a real setup sucker bet.

This still doesn't illustrate anything, all you said is that the square bettors took the big favorite. Everyone already knows that.

[WileOut]

So you are saying the Patriot players fixed the game? The game to end their perfect season and win a superbowl and become the greatest team of all time?

If not then who fixed it?

[MonkeyF0cker]

Rest assured, many took the Giants. I took the Giants and I received a sizeable return on my investment. However, the betting public took the Patriots to win that game minus the point spread. That was a real setup sucker bet.

You are dead wrong. $92.1 million was wagered in 174 Nevada sportsbooks on the Super Bowl with a net loss of $2.6 million. The books lost. Not sure where you get your information from but its wrong...

[incite]

This still doesn't illustrate anything, all you said is that the square bettors took the big favorite. Everyone already knows that.

The square betters who took the sure thing Patriots as you lable them, they didn't know they were square betters at the time they place the bet. There's no way in hell the Giants were suppose to beat the Patriots. But they did and a whole lot of people lost a whole lot of money on that misdirected play call.

Anytime you have a massive amount of money circulating in any venue, the chance of corruption is ever present. Especially in todays society - money makes the world go round.

[incite]

You are dead wrong. $92.1 million was wagered in 174 Nevada sportsbooks on the Super Bowl with a net loss of $2.6 million. The books lost. Not sure where you get your information from but its wrong...

It has been stated that numbers do lie - you can crunch numbers to reflect whatever you want them to reflect.

[MonkeyF0cker]

How many times do I have to tell you that the books LOST MONEY ON THE SUPER BOWL?

[element1286]

It has been stated that numbers do lie - you can crunch numbers to reflect whatever you want them to reflect.

So what is the truth?

[incite]

So you are saying the Patriot players fixed the game? The game to end their perfect season and win a superbowl and become the greatest team of all time?

If not then who fixed it?

That's the beauty of the thing, have you believe there is no way a game can be fixed. If you know the games were fixed would you continue to be a bettor of games.
Can you say WWF- I remember a time when the general public felt that the WWF was the real deal. What a joke that was, there's not much difference with the WWF and what's going on in SOME sporting events.

[MonkeyF0cker]

OMG. What a worthless conversation. Yeah none of the casinos here put out the real numbers that they make. They wouldn't have to be accountable for those numbers with either the Gaming Commission or their stockholders. They just made up the numbers out of thin air. Get a clue...

[element1286]

That's the beauty of the thing, have you believe there is no way a game can be fixed. If you know the games were fixed would you continue to be a bettor of games.
Can you say WWF- I remember a time when the general public felt that the WWF was the real deal. What a joke that was, there's not much difference with the WWF and what's going on in SOME sporting events.

So how did they fix it then?

[incite]

How many times do I have to tell you that the books LOST MONEY ON THE SUPER BOWL?

How many times do I have to tell you that you would be better off believing nothing that you hear and half of what you see.

[MonkeyF0cker]

That's the beauty of the thing, have you believe there is no way a game can be fixed. If you know the games were fixed would you continue to be a bettor of games.
Can you say WWF- I remember a time when the general public felt that the WWF was the real deal. What a joke that was, there's not much difference with the WWF and what's going on in SOME sporting events.

Probably one of the dumbest posts I've ever read in my lifetime. When you say general public, you must mean you and your retarded cousin Darryl, because you're about the only two in the universe that ever thought WWF wrestling was legitimate.