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  • Glitch
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    • 07-08-09
    • 11795

    #456
    we need massive cutbacks and strategic withdrawals but the intelligent and correct answer should be- "no of course not. not All troops"

    we have made a lot of enemies and these are dangerous times.

    i said nothing about any of those people you are naming. this is where you need to focus on the man and his character and his policies and get out of the competition side of things. we already know where you stand and what your agenda is here; i am asking you very legitimate questions about actual things.

    i dont oppose ron paul; i barely know the guy. some of his policies disturb me a great deal.

    how can we afford to keep these wasteful, massive departments of government that do nothing positive? i dunno maybe realize that they do something positive and were created with good ideas and need to be tweeked.
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    • PhillyFlyers
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      • 09-27-11
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      #457
      Originally posted by Glitch
      we need massive cutbacks and strategic withdrawals but the intelligent and correct answer should be- "no of course not. not All troops"

      we have made a lot of enemies and these are dangerous times.

      i said nothing about any of those people you are naming. this is where you need to focus on the man and his character and his policies and get out of the competition side of things. we already know where you stand and what your agenda is here; i am asking you very legitimate questions about actual things.

      i dont oppose ron paul; i barely know the guy. some of his policies disturb me a great deal.

      how can we afford to keep these wasteful, massive departments of government that do nothing positive? i dunno maybe realize that they do something positive and were created with good ideas and need to be tweeked.
      First of all I don't have an agenda here.


      I am focused on the man and his policies.


      All of those other clowns on stage with him are for the same policies that got us into this mess to begin with. What does that tell you about them?


      I can understand that some of Dr. Paul's policies bother you. No one is ever going to agree with a candidate 100% of the time. That being said, you can't wrong with choosing peace and diplomacy over the insane policy of bombing first and ask questions later.


      The reason I brought up the other candidates is because just take a look at what these people are saying and what they're about. Take a look at the alternatives to Ron Paul. They are abject failures.


      Rick Perry is a guy who can't speak properly but he wants to bomb Iran lol.


      Mitt Romney spent half the debate explaining how his flip-flopping isn't really flip-flopping lol.


      Michele Bachmann is just nuts and flat out wrong. It's pretty sad when you have to remind people that you're a serious candidate lol.


      Newt Gingrich changed his positions when he got paid to do so to try to influence the vote of members of Congress but yet, according to him, he isn't a lobbyist rofl.



      You might not agree with Ron Paul 100% of the time but the alternatives to him are unthinkable.
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      • Glitch
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        • 07-08-09
        • 11795

        #458
        Originally posted by PhillyFlyers
        First of all I don't have an agenda here. I am focused on the man and his policies. All of those other clowns on stage with him are for the same policies that got us into this mess to begin with. What does that tell you about them? I can understand that some of Dr. Paul's policies bother you. No one is ever going to agree with a candidate 100% of the time...

        That being said, you can't wrong with choosing peace and diplomacy over the insane policy of bombing first and ask questions later.
        1. that is the broad generalization and dangerous thinking that is creating all of these ron paul zombies. yeah hes on our side (side of freedom and america), and yes he's different than all the others- but is he smart and correct? is he racist? is he naiive? these are the important questions.

        2. if those were my only two choices i suppose i would also go with peace and diplomacy. i guess you have some sort of good point there but be careful what you wish for guy.
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        • MartinBlank
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          • 07-20-08
          • 8382

          #459
          Originally posted by PhillyFlyers
          How is it common sense to start another war when the USA is bankrupt financially? How are you going to pay for it?

          Ron Paul is right. This is nothing more than more war propaganda. Just like Iraq. We were told they have "weapons of mass destruction". Total bullshit.

          Now, Iran is a threat because they might try to build a nuke and now we have to bomb them and start another war? Here's an idea. Let israel fight their own battles instead of having the USA do it.

          Far from common sense, this is insanity.
          Again, this is the looney fringe that constitute Paul supporters.

          It's a harsh reality---but---Iran having nuclear weapons in not in our country's best interests.

          No one is suggesting bombing Iran back to the stone age, but Paul is acting as if the threat isn't real because George Bush et al lied. That's foolish, and it lacks common sense.
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          • PhillyFlyers
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            • 09-27-11
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            #460
            Originally posted by Glitch
            1. that is the broad generalization and dangerous thinking that is creating all of these ron paul zombies. yeah hes on our side (side of freedom and america), and yes he's different than all the others- but is he smart and correct? is he racist? is he naiive? these are the important questions.

            2. if those were my only two choices i suppose i would also go with peace and diplomacy. i guess you have some sort of good point there but be careful what you wish for guy.
            I'll take your questions one by one. Is he smart and correct? Yes. He is a PhD. Doctor. The smartest of all of them.


            Yes, he is correct. He has been correct on the war in Iraq, the housing bubble, the federal reserve, the financial markets, etc. etc. He is the only candidate with this kind of record.


            Is he racist? No. He is the only non-racist republican nominee as all other candidates have already stated specifically their desire for more wars with the muslim world.


            He is also the only candidate on the republican side who has publicly stated that minorities often get the short end of the stick in the court system.


            Is he Naive? No. Nothing naive about him although his political enemies would like you to think so. He is as thoughtful, genuine, honest, and thorough as it gets. He is the only candidate who said Iraq didn't have weapons of mass destruction when all the other candidates were saying they did and citing reports like the IAEA.

            They are the ones who are naive not Ron Paul.
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            • Glitch
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              • 07-08-09
              • 11795

              #461
              Originally posted by PhillyFlyers
              I'll take your questions one by one. Is he smart and correct? Yes. He is a PhD. Doctor. The smartest of all of them. Yes, he is correct. He has been correct on the war in Iraq, the housing bubble, the federal reserve, the financial markets, etc. etc. He is the only candidate with this kind of record. Is he racist? No. He is the only non-racist republican nominee as all other candidates have already stated specifically their desire for more wars with the muslim world. He is also the only candidate on the republican side who has publicly stated that minorities often get the short end of the stick in the court system. Is he Naive? No. Nothing naive about him although his political enemies would like you to think so. He is as thoughtful, genuine, honest, and thorough as it gets.
              we need logical, decision-making and social intelligence in the office- NOT the ability to retain information, do your assignments and pay for medical school.

              many would disagree once hearing about his controversial publications in his news letter and the southern idealist civil rights movement criticisms of his son- rand paul.

              his being so honest IS being naiive. he shouldn't be all slimey backdoor dealsy like the resta politicians but he should know when to keep his mouth shut and when to pick his battles. its called strategy. many would say that the part of his brain that allows all this honesty and ignorant ranting is part of what makes him not smart in the ways i mentioned in the beginning of this post.
              Last edited by Glitch; 12-16-11, 07:55 PM. Reason: should to shouldn't (spelling)
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              • MartinBlank
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                • 07-20-08
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                #462
                Originally posted by PhillyFlyers
                I'll take your questions one by one. Is he smart and correct? Yes. He is a PhD. Doctor. The smartest of all of them.
                One small quibble.

                He is not a PhD. Ron Paul has an M.D. degree, after all he is a Medical Doctor.

                Do you know and understand the difference? I would have expected such an ardent Paul supporter to know that.
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                • PhillyFlyers
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                  • 09-27-11
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                  #463
                  Originally posted by MartinBlank
                  One small quibble.

                  He is not a PhD. Ron Paul has an M.D. degree, after all he is a Medical Doctor.

                  Do you know and understand the difference? I would have expected such an ardent Paul supporter to know that.
                  Yes, I know the difference. Thank you for the correction. It is duly noted.
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                  • PhillyFlyers
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                    • 09-27-11
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                    #464
                    Originally posted by Glitch
                    we need logical, decision-making and social intelligence in the office- NOT the ability to retain information, do your assignments and pay for medical school.

                    many would disagree once hearing about his controversial publications in his news letter and the southern idealist civil rights movement criticisms of his son- rand paul.

                    his being so honest IS being naiive. he should be all slimey backdoor dealsy like the resta politicians but he should know when to keep his mouth shut and when to pick his battles. its called strategy. many would say that the part of his brain that allows all this honesty and ignorant ranting is part of what makes him not smart in the ways i mentioned in the beginning of this post.

                    He has stated specifically that he never wrote those newsletters himself and to this day has never found out who did.

                    Why do you want him to be sleazy and backdoor dealsy? We had enough of that.

                    Speaking the truth when it is not to your advantage is a courageous thing. That is what a real leader does.
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                    • PhillyFlyers
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                      • 09-27-11
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                      #465
                      Originally posted by MartinBlank
                      Again, this is the looney fringe that constitute Paul supporters.

                      It's a harsh reality---but---Iran having nuclear weapons in not in our country's best interests.

                      No one is suggesting bombing Iran back to the stone age, but Paul is acting as if the threat isn't real because George Bush et al lied. That's foolish, and it lacks common sense.

                      Loony fringe? A non-interventionist foreign policy was one of the hallmarks of the founding fathers. Are they part of the loony fringe?

                      George Washington stated:

                      The great rule of conduct for us, in regard to foreign nations, is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible.
                      Europe has a set of primary interests, which to us have none, or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves, by artificial ties, in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities.

                      As for your other points, Iran is not a threat to the USA. You call people who support the traditional foreign policy of the US loony fringe but you back a policy of insanity.

                      Is the US supposed to bomb or go to war with every nation that has a nuke or seeks to acquire one? At what point will you admit that your insanity is grotesque? When we start an apocalypse?

                      Your way leads only to wars, death, and destruction. There is nothing good that can come of it.
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                      • Glitch
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                        • 07-08-09
                        • 11795

                        #466
                        Originally posted by PhillyFlyers
                        He has stated specifically that he never wrote those newsletters himself and to this day has never found out who did.

                        Why do you want him to be sleazy and backdoor dealsy? We had enough of that.

                        Speaking the truth when it is not to your advantage is a courageous thing. That is what a real leader does.
                        yes lets tell all our enemies (that we already have) our strategy and plans. that is what a real leader does.

                        Sons of iraqi freedom fighters might pay people to vote ron paul to get everyone out of there so they can plan their counter-attack in peace. they know what will happen as soon as Paul gets in office.
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                        • Fishhead
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                          • 08-11-05
                          • 40179

                          #467
                          OBAMA wins the next election.......
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                          • Glitch
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                            • 07-08-09
                            • 11795

                            #468
                            not if people who dont want that to happen ban together for someone thats not spewing all these radical changes and crazy idealogy. lots of people wasting votes on bachman and paul.
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                            • CanuckG
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                              • 12-23-10
                              • 21978

                              #469
                              Paul is the only logical choice but the Obama band wagoners will lead him to another term.
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                              • DwightShrute
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                                • 01-17-09
                                • 103068

                                #470
                                PhillyFlyers, what's your feeling about Ron Paul?
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                                • Balco10
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                                  • 09-11-10
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                                  #471
                                  First Ron P is a great guy with some good ideas, but his foreign policy kills his chances all at once!
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                                  • Balco10
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                                    • 09-11-10
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                                    #472
                                    Ron has absolutely no chance at winning!
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                                    • Balco10
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                                      • 09-11-10
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                                      #473
                                      In this case lets vote for the best candidate to destroy Obama.
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                                      • Iced
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                                        • 01-04-11
                                        • 1614

                                        #474
                                        Originally posted by Balco10
                                        In this case lets vote for the best candidate to destroy Obama.
                                        Not really worth it to support any candidate other than Ron Paul.

                                        Newt Gingrich is a rooted member of the establishment who has taken $1.6 million for working with Freddie Mac, said that [progressive] Teddy Roosevelt is his idol and that [socialist] FDR is his favorite President of the 20th century, supported an individual health care mandate (like Obama), and is just an annoying fatty with a history of marital infidelity. So really, he's not conservative at all -- he just disagrees with Obama on how to spend the last 10% of the budget. And, to top it off, he's an ignorant war-monger. His solution for North Korea is to zap them with lasers (!) and his biggest domestic worry is Iran using electro-magnetic pulses over the United States. An idiot.

                                        Mitt Romney is a total joke. First Governor to institute socialized health care in his state (Massachusetts). And he's already said that he supports the continuing existence of Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. Other than the D and R next to their names, I don't see the difference between Obama and Romney.

                                        The Democrats and Republicans aren't very different at all. Same shit, slightly different rhetoric. If you want change, you have to support Ron Paul. If you want to keep the status quo, you can support Obama or any of the other Republican bozos other than Ron Paul.

                                        And FWIW, Ron Paul is running better against Obama in polls than every other GOP candidate except sometimes Mitt Romney. He's definitely electable, he just has to win the GOP nomination first.
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                                        • Balco10
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                                          #475
                                          And Paul has no foreign policy experience. He is OK for Iran to nuke Israel and US!
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                                          • PhillyFlyers
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                                            • 09-27-11
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                                            #476
                                            Originally posted by Glitch
                                            yes lets tell all our enemies (that we already have) our strategy and plans. that is what a real leader does.

                                            Sons of iraqi freedom fighters might pay people to vote ron paul to get everyone out of there so they can plan their counter-attack in peace. they know what will happen as soon as Paul gets in office.

                                            What are you talking about? You sound like a nutjob. Sons of Iraqi freedom fighters are going to pay people to vote for Ron Paul?

                                            Seriously, what universe do you live in?

                                            As for leaders telling out enemies our plans isn't that precisely what George Bush did when he told Iraq, Iran and North Korea they were the "axis of evil"?

                                            He basically drove them to seek nukes after that speech, especially North Korea.

                                            The fact is, it is the failed policies that you support that got us into this mess, not the proven policies that Ron Paul supports.
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                                            • PhillyFlyers
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                                              #477
                                              Originally posted by Balco10
                                              Ron has absolutely no chance at winning!

                                              He has an excellent chance at winning. He's about to win Iowa.

                                              If you want to talk about candidates that have no chance at winning then you need to look at Michele Bachmann, Rick Santorum, Jon Huntsman, and Newt Gingrich.
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                                              • wtf
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                                                • 08-22-08
                                                • 12983

                                                #478
                                                Originally posted by Balco10
                                                And Paul has no foreign policy experience. He is OK for Iran to nuke Israel and US!
                                                oh another obammy voter decided to chime in

                                                share with us obama foreign policy experience before his election?
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                                                • PhillyFlyers
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                                                  • 09-27-11
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                                                  #479
                                                  Originally posted by DwightShrute
                                                  PhillyFlyers, what's your feeling about Ron Paul?

                                                  Dwight, as a lifelong Republican who's lived to see many elections come and go, with a myriad of different candidates I say this with all sincerity:

                                                  Ron Paul is the best candidate I've ever seen. I thought Reagan was until I heard Paul speak and then researched. I think Ron Paul would make a far greater president than Reagan.

                                                  I also think he is the only republican who can beat Obama. he is the only republican who can actually win the independent vote and he is the only republican that will draw democrats themselves away from Obama.

                                                  I also think his economic plan is basically the only economic plan out there currently that can bring this country back from the brink.

                                                  Basically, the way I see it, it's Ron Paul or bust.
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                                                  • Resler
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                                                    • 11-03-10
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                                                    #480
                                                    I am a Government employee and I am even a Ron Paul supporter. I will probably lose my job if he gets elected, but I know he will help create the environment that I'll be able to find something good in the private sector. I will be caucusing for him in Iowa in a couple of weeks. Lifelong independent, but registering Repub just so I can get my caucus vote in for him. I also am an Iraq War vet and I can tell you, most military people agree with Ron Paul's foreign policy.
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                                                    • Dirty Sanchez
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                                                      • 03-01-10
                                                      • 16031

                                                      #481
                                                      Well Ron Paul better stop saying things like this...many don't realize he's 2 years older than McCain was:

                                                      Ron Paul: I’m old and may not be able to last a long primary
                                                      by Stephan Tawney on December 14, 2011

                                                      I’m not sure telling potential supporters that you’re old and may not be able to hold up through a long primary, much less a general election, is a good electoral strategy. “I’m not looking forward to anything being long and protracted. So I hope it ends rather quickly and we do real well in the beginning of the year,” Paul said after reporters questioned his ability to go long in a possible fight.
                                                      “The [Paul] organization is fantastic. The question is: am I going to hold up if I keep doing all this,” Paul said.
                                                      A quick reminder that a “long” primary would probably put us somewhere into next spring. If he becomes the nominee, Paul would have to campaign effectively non-stop until November. So if he can’t hold up through spring, why would he hold up through fall?
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                                                      • AribaAriba
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                                                        #482
                                                        this is how the media establishments fear for the guy, how can they decide what's the best for us? they know he is going to win the caucus and they still discrediting him.
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                                                        • AribaAriba
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                                                          • 04-03-09
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                                                          #483
                                                          Originally posted by Dirty Sanchez
                                                          Well Ron Paul better stop saying things like this...many don't realize he's 2 years older than McCain was:

                                                          R
                                                          he might be physically old looking but his iq is certainly 100X sharper that yours...
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                                                          • PhillyFlyers
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                                                            • 09-27-11
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                                                            #484
                                                            Anyone with concerns about Paul's views on foreign policy better take a look at who the military supports. The president is the head of the military and the military wants Ron Paul as president.
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                                                            • ABEHONEST
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                                                              • 06-27-09
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                                                              #485
                                                              Originally posted by PhillyFlyers
                                                              Dwight, as a lifelong Republican who's lived to see many elections come and go, with a myriad of different candidates I say this with all sincerity: Ron Paul is the best candidate I've ever seen. I thought Reagan was until I heard Paul speak and then researched. I think Ron Paul would make a far greater president than Reagan. I also think he is the only republican who can beat Obama. he is the only republican who can actually win the independent vote and he is the only republican that will draw democrats themselves away from Obama. I also think his economic plan is basically the only economic plan out there currently that can bring this country back from the brink. Basically, the way I see it, it's Ron Paul or bust.
                                                              I'm right there with you Philly!
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                                                              • Dirty Sanchez
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                                                                • 03-01-10
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                                                                #486
                                                                Originally posted by AribaAriba
                                                                he might be physically old looking but his iq is certainly 100X sharper that yours...
                                                                Thanks Einstein...
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                                                                • ABEHONEST
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                                                                  • 06-27-09
                                                                  • 9470

                                                                  #487
                                                                  Originally posted by Dirty Sanchez
                                                                  Well Ron Paul better stop saying things like this...many don't realize he's 2 years older than McCain was: Ron Paul: I’m old and may not be able to last a long primary by Stephan Tawney on December 14, 2011 I’m not sure telling potential supporters that you’re old and may not be able to hold up through a long primary, much less a general election, is a good electoral strategy. “I’m not looking forward to anything being long and protracted. So I hope it ends rather quickly and we do real well in the beginning of the year,” Paul said after reporters questioned his ability to go long in a possible fight. “The [Paul] organization is fantastic. The question is: am I going to hold up if I keep doing all this,” Paul said. A quick reminder that a “long” primary would probably put us somewhere into next spring. If he becomes the nominee, Paul would have to campaign effectively non-stop until November. So if he can’t hold up through spring, why would he hold up through fall?
                                                                  Looks like a joke to me. He certainly doesn't look like an old man faltering , does he? No, in fact he appears to be the opposite.
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                                                                  • ABEHONEST
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                                                                    • 06-27-09
                                                                    • 9470

                                                                    #488
                                                                    Originally posted by Resler
                                                                    I am a Government employee and I am even a Ron Paul supporter. I will probably lose my job if he gets elected, but I know he will help create the environment that I'll be able to find something good in the private sector. I will be caucusing for him in Iowa in a couple of weeks. Lifelong independent, but registering Repub just so I can get my caucus vote in for him. I also am an Iraq War vet and I can tell you, most military people agree with Ron Paul's foreign policy.
                                                                    Thank you! A man who seems to know the right path to take and has the experience to make a logical decision, too.
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                                                                    • wtf
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                                                                      • 08-22-08
                                                                      • 12983

                                                                      #489
                                                                      Originally posted by AribaAriba
                                                                      this is how the media establishments fear for the guy, how can they decide what's the best for us? they know he is going to win the caucus and they still discrediting him.
                                                                      holy fuk

                                                                      they did not discredit paul, they actually discredited the WHOLE IOWA CAUCUS , if paul wins they are saying the caucus was a joke-the american press is sickening
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                                                                      • Glitch
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                                                                        • 07-08-09
                                                                        • 11795

                                                                        #490
                                                                        Originally posted by PhillyFlyers
                                                                        Anyone with concerns about Paul's views on foreign policy better take a look at who the military supports. The president is the head of the military and the military wants Ron Paul as president.
                                                                        post some links to what youre talking about or people will think you are playing games and tricks to get people to take ron paul.

                                                                        for example- you could mean people who signed up for the military to get free college support ron paul's extremist policies pertaining to the US military.

                                                                        or are you saying he is General John Allen's presidential candidate for the 2012 election?

                                                                        or are you saying that is the official stance of the US military or what?

                                                                        sorry, just trying to understand.
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