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  • topgame85
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 03-30-08
    • 12325

    #1
    Nobody wants it or to admit it but to get out of debt
    They must raise taxes and a decent amount..... we fell for and voted for the shit head two party system for all these years and now we gotta pay for trading back and forth between two groups of crooks. One hooked up all their pals in corporations and attacked the middle east, the other gave it all away to poor, lazy and old folk while growing the government machine. Lets just tear the focking bandaide off and get this shit over with. The quicker we pay down our debt the less we will pay in interest long term. The deal should have agreed in balanced budget amendment in exchange for decent size temporary tax increases. Too busy politicing to try to actually save the country. I am probably the least tax friendly guy you could ever meet and even I see and know what must be done. Pay down debt now while making cuts with higher "revenue" aka taxes and making sure we never get to this point again.
  • hornsrgrt
    Restricted User
    • 02-11-10
    • 1560

    #2
    I would charge everyone coming across the border $5 per day and $10 by boat or plane (for non-Americans).
    I would get rid of this corporate tax crap in which our American companies are headquartered in foreign countries and not paying income tax.
    I agree - we need to increase taxes - but push as much as we can to other countries.
    I would get sending Pakistan, Korea, Russia, Japan, and just about all the other 3rd world countries that bad mouth us all their foreign aid.
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    • hornsrgrt
      Restricted User
      • 02-11-10
      • 1560

      #3
      Originally posted by hornsrgrt
      I would charge everyone coming across the border $5 per day and $10 by boat or plane (for non-Americans).
      I would get rid of this corporate tax crap in which our American companies are headquartered in foreign countries and not paying income tax.
      I agree - we need to increase taxes - but push as much as we can to other countries.
      I would get sending Pakistan, Korea, Russia, Japan, and just about all the other 3rd world countries that bad mouth us all their foreign aid.
      oops..that is "quit" sending aid to all these other countries...
      I would legalize gambling, prostitution, and marijuana....that would bring in some tax $...
      I would tax alcohol and smoking with heavier taxes...
      This crap isnt so hard if you must make these tough decisions that Detroit wouldn't make years ago with all their bullshit union dues - come on, over $80 an hour for unskilled labor !!!
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      • topgame85
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 03-30-08
        • 12325

        #4
        TONS of illegals getting a free ride also, need to find a way to collect from them...... some type of amnesty deal but cost xxxxx amount of dollars to "buy" amnesty/citizenship... get creative. These people are here anyhow might as well be collecting from them. Plenty of ways to tax without touching income directly. Sin taxes up additional fees and then a moderate income tax. Income tax increases temporary and other "sin" or choice taxes stay a bit more long term to get us back on track.
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        • Extra Innings
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 02-26-10
          • 15058

          #5
          How much would you like to tax the top bracket?
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          • King Mayan
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 09-22-10
            • 21326

            #6
            Originally posted by topgame85
            TONS of illegals getting a free ride also, need to find a way to collect from them...... some type of amnesty deal but cost xxxxx amount of dollars to "buy" amnesty/citizenship... get creative. These people are here anyhow might as well be collecting from them. Plenty of ways to tax without touching income directly. Sin taxes up additional fees and then a moderate income tax. Income tax increases temporary and other "sin" or chose taxes stay a bit more long term to get us back on track.
            they are collecting, payroll tax, sales tax,etc. People want to believe that illegals get welfare,but they don't.
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            • Extra Innings
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 02-26-10
              • 15058

              #7
              Here are the current rates (federal), don't forget State, Sales, Real Estate, and all the other taxes.


              Marginal Tax Rate[5] Single Married Filing Jointly or Qualified Widow(er) Married Filing Separately Head of Household
              10% $0 – $8,375 $0 – $16,750 $0 – $8,375 $0 – $11,950
              15% $8,376 – $34,000 $16,751 – $68,000 $8,376 – $34,000 $11,951 – $45,550
              25% $34,001 – $82,400 $68,001 – $137,300 $34,001 – $68,650 $45,551 – $117,650
              28% $82,401 – $171,850 $137,301 – $209,250 $68,651 – $104,625 $117,651 – $190,550
              33% $171,851 – $373,650 $209,251 – $373,650 $104,626 – $186,825 $190,551 - $373,650
              35% $373,651+ $373,651+ $186,826+ $373,651+
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              • topgame85
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 03-30-08
                • 12325

                #8
                That is something someone else needs to decide EI, the guys who made a fortune here on americans backs should be front row in helping correct the situation. Not a "forever" tax but they need to take a short term hit just as everyone else does.
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                • topgame85
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 03-30-08
                  • 12325

                  #9
                  Originally posted by King Mayan
                  they are collecting, payroll tax, sales tax,etc. People want to believe that illegals get welfare,but they don't.

                  There is no federal sales tax and the guys standing in front of 7eleven get cash every day. Huge revenue is being lost.
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                  • wtf
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 08-22-08
                    • 12983

                    #10
                    i thought there was a resolution passed years ago that they are legally bound to submit a balanced budget

                    was that repealed ?
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                    • topgame85
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 03-30-08
                      • 12325

                      #11
                      As I stated I hate all taxes period but we are left with no choice at this point. We let it get to this point and now we all have to be responsible and pay for our mistakes.
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                      • Extra Innings
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 02-26-10
                        • 15058

                        #12
                        Originally posted by topgame85
                        That is something someone else needs to decide EI, the guys who made a fortune here on americans backs should be front row in helping correct the situation. Not a "forever" tax but they need to take a short term hit just as everyone else does.
                        All taxes are FOREVER, just like interest rates on your CC. I saw a sign in my local mart that they will start charging a 911 tax on phone cards
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                        • jw
                          SBR MVP
                          • 10-25-09
                          • 3999

                          #13
                          Originally posted by hornsrgrt
                          I would charge everyone coming across the border $5 per day and $10 by boat or plane (for non-Americans).
                          Then you would lose revenue for the US treasury .. they already charge $14 for anyone that visits from a country that participates in the US **** waiver program (and more for those that don't) google "ESTA" for more info ...

                          Other fee's that people who fly into and out of the US pay .. include ...

                          7.5% of ticket price (Passenger Ticket Tax) for domestic flights .. international departure and arrival taxes of $16+ each .. believe it or not each passenger also pays a "September 11th security fee" of $2.50 each to pay for extra security ... then of course there is aviation fuel taxes etc etc etc .. you get the idea ...
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                          • King Mayan
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 09-22-10
                            • 21326

                            #14
                            Originally posted by topgame85
                            There is no federal sales tax and the guys standing in front of 7eleven get cash every day. Huge revenue is being lost.
                            All that cash goes back to the economy, and what about all those illegals that have fake papers and pay taxes.
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                            • jjgold
                              SBR Aristocracy
                              • 07-20-05
                              • 388179

                              #15
                              Worry about picking fukkin winners

                              You not changing anything

                              Corporates call the shots not politicians
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                              • topgame85
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 03-30-08
                                • 12325

                                #16
                                You are right about the 911 tax for phone cards, they may be that way EI but they don't need to be that way. Do you see another reasonable way out? Just making cuts is not going to be even close to enough, not even deep cuts. When a citizen can't make the rent they usually need to get a second job for more income, rarely will they make it just by eating ramen noodles every night. This is the same thing, we need a "second job" or more income. If it can be done another way please show me how as this is painful to think but considering the government really has no value or ability to earn where else will it come from.
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                                • philliesfinest
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 07-13-09
                                  • 1557

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by jjgold
                                  worry about picking fukkin winners you not changing anything corporates call the shots not politicians
                                  how true! Big business #1 problem in usa is greed by the corporations
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                                  • topgame85
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 03-30-08
                                    • 12325

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by King Mayan
                                    All that cash goes back to the economy, and what about all those illegals that have fake papers and pay taxes.

                                    Liberals claim that but lets be honest my man, I cash my check at the "tienda" on Friday and I think we both know about the line of vatos sending 50% of their off the books funds overseas to their families in salvador, guatemala, mexico etc. I also have spent many a day in county lockup and see the massive amounts of detainees. In my county they run everyones prints to check for legal status and when you come back illegal even if you were arrested for jay walking beef you sit their for 6months- a year eating up state and federal funds until ICE picks your ass up. About 50% of inmates in VA area right now are illegal hispanics either on ICE detainers or criminal convictions. Then lets not even start on the school systems. Like I said they are here anyways so let um stay but they don't get a free ride. You gotta pay to play my man, get money and get them in the system. Maybe 20-40 cents on the dollar goes back into legitamate US biz and economy. I am out there in the "real world" and see the reality, won't fall for the silly idea that the cash comes back to our economy in full or anywhere near it.
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                                    • Emily_Haines
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 04-14-09
                                      • 15917

                                      #19
                                      I say fuk the debt. I tell China, Japan, UK and the rest of the to go fuk themselves. I tell the Federal Reserve to fuk themselves. I tell the poor to get another job and the lazy to find one. I tell the corporations that pay no tax that they are now going to. I close the bases and end the wars. That's why I like Ron Paul so much because he would do all these common sense things.
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                                      • Gee
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 04-08-10
                                        • 4547

                                        #20
                                        I said this in another thread somewhere a while ago.

                                        American's need to pay more tax and start living within their means. Its the only way out...
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                                        • Hoja Verdes
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 08-23-06
                                          • 1403

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by topgame85
                                          You are right about the 911 tax for phone cards, they may be that way EI but they don't need to be that way. Do you see another reasonable way out? Just making cuts is not going to be even close to enough, not even deep cuts. When a citizen can't make the rent they usually need to get a second job for more income, rarely will they make it just by eating ramen noodles every night. This is the same thing, we need a "second job" or more income. If it can be done another way please show me how as this is painful to think but considering the government really has no value or ability to earn where else will it come from.
                                          That's right. You can eat ramen noodles for every meal to limit expenses, but if youre making $8/hr its gonna be a long time before you pay off $200k in debt. That's the position this country is in. Eventually you have to get a second job to raise your REVENUE, i.e. more taxes.
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                                          • No coincidences
                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                            • 01-18-10
                                            • 76300

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by jjgold
                                            Worry about picking fukkin winners

                                            You not changing anything

                                            Corporates call the shots not politicians


                                            All started with the Republicans' hero, the puppet Ronnie Reagan.
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                                            • topgame85
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 03-30-08
                                              • 12325

                                              #23
                                              E H, and they are just going to let us walk on them? In theory that works but when WW III hits and your family is dead in the street when you could have just paid some extra tax $ you would feel realllllll dumb.

                                              See no other viable options even suggested, it seems we all know what must be done but the politicians don't have the balls to make it happen
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                                              • TexansFan
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 09-06-06
                                                • 3365

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by King Mayan
                                                All that cash goes back to the economy, and what about all those illegals that have fake papers and pay taxes.
                                                That's bullshit and you know it. Over $21 billion a year is sent back to Mexico through remittances.
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                                                • Iwinyourmoney
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 04-18-07
                                                  • 18368

                                                  #25
                                                  If the gov took 5$ a month from everyones paycheck we'd be fine. Would you miss that $2.50 per paycheck?? Fuk no

                                                  155 mil Americans work
                                                  That's 775 Million bucks a month, we'd be out of debt quick

                                                  But as long as the gov balanced the books id be 100% ok with it
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                                                  • topgame85
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 03-30-08
                                                    • 12325

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Iwinyourmoney
                                                    If the gov took 5$ a month from everyones paycheck we'd be fine. Would you miss that $2.50 per paycheck?? Fuk no

                                                    155 mil Americans work
                                                    That's 775 Million bucks a month, we'd be out of debt quick

                                                    But as long as the gov balanced the books id be 100% ok with it
                                                    Shit, make it $20 or $50 but on a strictly temporary basis, tax those currently not paying tax as well.... All new funds must go towards paying down debt no new projects and cut fat already in budget. Then at the end set taxes to a lower rate than before this all started as they will have to have a balanced budget and will have already trimmed the fat and can live tighter. We just need to get out of the hole as quickly as possible. The worst thing for the economy is UNCERTAINTY, once tough decisions are made and in place people conform and find ways to adapt and improve. This doom and gloom shit on the news for months and years at a time is hurting everyone in the economy more than $25 a paycheck would....
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                                                    • King Mayan
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 09-22-10
                                                      • 21326

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by TexansFan
                                                      That's bullshit and you know it. Over $21 billion a year is sent back to Mexico through remittances.
                                                      Those $21 billions keeps mexicans in Mexico, making you happy. Enjoy.
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                                                      • topgame85
                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                        • 03-30-08
                                                        • 12325

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by King Mayan
                                                        Those $21 billions keeps mexicans in Mexico, making you happy. Enjoy.
                                                        Why does it always have to be a race thing? No response to the facts I mentioned above..... I have no problem being out in the hispanic community, have worked with them, been incarcerated with them, and do biz in some of their shops. As I said I have no problem if they want to be here seek the dream and play by the rules but do have a problem with leaching as much out of the economy as possible and funneling it down to central america. And of course it is not just hispanics.... I work with a heavy middle eastern group at my current job. Middle easterners work in limo/transport similar to hispanics in construction manual labor. They also funnel huge amounts of money out of the country to family and although they are naturalized or at least have work pemits they are the BIGGEST tax cheats I have ever seen. They all work contractor jobs only and use shady accountants who cook the books where they make 80-100k a year and pay a few thousand in tax while funneling cash overseas the whole time. Like I said you want to play you gotta pay. I can't go to a baseball game or disney world and walk through the gates free have my fun and go home when I am sick of using what they have to offer.........
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                                                        • jw
                                                          SBR MVP
                                                          • 10-25-09
                                                          • 3999

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Emily_Haines
                                                          I say fuk the debt. I tell China, Japan, UK and the rest of the to go fuk themselves.
                                                          Other than China and Japan ... Are you sure that the US owes more money to other countries than it is owed from them ? Yes I know it probably does .. but have not checked in detail so am unsure.
                                                          (I know that the US has a positive trade deficit with the UK so far this year .... so they would be thrilled with the US telling everyone to "Fuk the debt")

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                                                          • Marigold HD
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                                                            • 09-03-07
                                                            • 5053

                                                            #30
                                                            Just move to Canada or Australia....lol
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                                                            • King Mayan
                                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                                              • 09-22-10
                                                              • 21326

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by topgame85
                                                              Why does it always have to be a race thing? No response to the facts I mentioned above..... I have no problem being out in the hispanic community, have worked with them, been incarcerated with them, and do biz in some of their shops. As I said I have no problem if they want to be here seek the dream and play by the rules but do have a problem with leaching as much out of the economy as possible and funneling it down to central america. And of course it is not just hispanics.... I work with a heavy middle eastern group at my current job. Middle easterners work in limo/transport similar to hispanics in construction manual labor. They also funnel huge amounts of money out of the country to family and although they are naturalized or at least have work pemits they are the BIGGEST tax cheats I have ever seen. They all work contractor jobs only and use shady accountants who cook the books where they make 80-100k a year and pay a few thousand in tax while funneling cash overseas the whole time. Like I said you want to play you gotta pay. I can't go to a baseball game or disney world and walk through the gates free have my fun and go home when I am sick of using what they have to offer.........

                                                              Do you think corporations want to make them legal. Illegals get paid slave wages, and companies get more money.. Amnesty ain't going to happen...
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                                                              • topgame85
                                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                                • 03-30-08
                                                                • 12325

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Marigold HD
                                                                Just move to Canada or Australia....lol

                                                                Canada taxes far more than America would need to to get back on track. Time to bite the bullet and be responsible. Obama needs to man up and lay down the law if he wants to live up to his hype. Time to play hardball. Both parties rather see the other fail than to see America succeed. For a long time I thought they wanted the best for America they just had different ideas how to get there, now it is clear they care for nothing more than their ridiculous "game" of politics.
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                                                                • topgame85
                                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                                  • 03-30-08
                                                                  • 12325

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by King Mayan
                                                                  Do you think corporations want to make them legal. Illegals get paid slave wages, and companies get more money.. Amnesty ain't going to happen...

                                                                  Shit, don't get me wrong brother corporations are not a damn bit better. They are some of the biggest "leaches" on America period. They funnel wayyyy more money out than the illegals do and tamper with the whole system so long as it suites their interests. As I stated they clearly need to take a hit as well, alot harder to get to them though. Extremely strong lobbies, friends and shit even paid hitters.
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                                                                  • d2bets
                                                                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                    • 08-10-05
                                                                    • 39995

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Extra Innings
                                                                    Here are the current rates (federal), don't forget State, Sales, Real Estate, and all the other taxes.


                                                                    Marginal Tax Rate[5] Single Married Filing Jointly or Qualified Widow(er) Married Filing Separately Head of Household
                                                                    10% $0 – $8,375 $0 – $16,750 $0 – $8,375 $0 – $11,950
                                                                    15% $8,376 – $34,000 $16,751 – $68,000 $8,376 – $34,000 $11,951 – $45,550
                                                                    25% $34,001 – $82,400 $68,001 – $137,300 $34,001 – $68,650 $45,551 – $117,650
                                                                    28% $82,401 – $171,850 $137,301 – $209,250 $68,651 – $104,625 $117,651 – $190,550
                                                                    33% $171,851 – $373,650 $209,251 – $373,650 $104,626 – $186,825 $190,551 - $373,650
                                                                    35% $373,651+ $373,651+ $186,826+ $373,651+
                                                                    Keep those brackets but add on new brackets at the upper end. Make it 40% at something like 600/300 and 45% at 1m/500k. Something like that. And fix the corporate income tax. These fukkin corps are getting away with murder.
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                                                                    • rsnnh12
                                                                      SBR MVP
                                                                      • 09-26-10
                                                                      • 3487

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by d2bets
                                                                      Keep those brackets but add on new brackets at the upper end. Make it 40% at something like 600/300 and 45% at 1m/500k. Something like that. And fix the corporate income tax. These fukkin corps are getting away with murder.
                                                                      You do realize that higher taxes on corporations just means you'll pay higher prices, right?

                                                                      They should get a simple, no loophole 10-15% tax just for doing business in America. Cheaper than almost any country's corporate tax rate, and has minimal effect on consumers
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