Fellow Americans - feeling cheated by the point devaluation?

[horja1]

Doc,

The lawyers in CR are not like what we have here in the US. Remember it's still an undeveloped third world country at the end of the day. A US lawyer works 7 days a week. You should be happy if the CR lawyer even works 2 days a week.

I hope you aren't as ignorant as you sound in this post

[shari91]

Do you realize how many millions of dollars SBR would have to spend to answer charges levied by the DOJ

Yeah but I think this stems from most people don't realise the size of SBR. As I said earlier it seems many have the impression that SBR's just the forum and the employees they see posting. That's why I keep trying to tell people who are complaining that John would be a fool not to find out for sure after all that's happened lately with the DoJ. Some people rely on sportsbook cash to gamble and fair enough. But many more people rely on this company for their livelihood. People need to step back and think outside of their own little box for a moment and realise this is much larger than them just getting some free cash to stick on a parlay.

[Extra Innings]

lower prices on all items for us

by 50%

[Extra Innings]

Yeah but I think this stems from most people don't realise the size of SBR. As I said earlier it seems many have the impression that SBR's just the forum and the employees they see posting. That's why I keep trying to tell people who are complaining that John would be a fool not to find out for sure after all that's happened lately with the DoJ. Some people rely on sportsbook cash to gamble and fair enough. But many more people rely on this company for their livelihood. People need to step back and think outside of their own little box for a moment and realise this is much larger than them just getting some free cash to stick on a parlay.

It's an Internet Marketing Firm (http://sbrmarketing.com/). I'm pretty sure some make money by keeping sheets as well What do I know

[gamemastere]

Yeah Doc I hear you but how is anyone supposed to know when a decision will be made? It's been 29 business days since cash was taken down for Americans. Should the lawyer say to John "Ok pal, I've never dealt with this before because this situation has never existed but I realise a few of your posters want a decision by xxx day so I'll give you my recommendation by then regardless if I've even had the time to definitively come to a conclusion?" And you're right - you're not a lawyer and neither am I so who are we to think that we know how long an issue like this would take to sort out?

I think the problem is some people are assuming this is just a matter of saying "SBR's not a bank so they're not doing anything illegal". And to those people I'd say come show me your law degree, your evidence to back up that SBR could never get into trouble for this and your guarantee that if you're mistaken and they do get shut down, you're willing to face the repercussions for giving erroneous advice. If someone does that, then I'll merrily join in with the impatience and complaining.

Here's John's latest post about this a few minutes ago:

Shari could you please post a link to the thread from which that post was made? And thank you for sharing that.

[shari91]

Shari could you please post a link to the thread from which that post was made? And thank you for sharing that.

http://forum.sbrforum.com/players-talk/1165308-top-5-failures-sbr-history-p2.html

[pavyracer]

Unless I see the renewal notice for Pro membership with my own eyes I wouldn't know what are the requirements for renewing.

[shari91]

Unless I see the renewal notice for Pro membership with my own eyes I wouldn't know what are the requirements for renewing.

Renewing your Pro Membership:

1. All Pro memberships last for one year.

2. 30 days prior to your membership expiring, an automatic PM will be sent to you reminding you that your membership will soon lapse. Notices will be sent at multiple intervals leading up to the date of your membership's expiration. If no response or action is taken by you to renew, your membership will expire at SBR's discretion once its determined you wish not to renew.

3. You cannot choose to renew at any point before the 30 day limit begins. The SBR Pro application link will appear under your user-name when you're eligible to renew and won't be active before that point.

4. Pros are able to renew with the book they first used to become an SBR Pro. If this book is no longer an SBR sponsor, you are still eligible to use that book to renew your membership should you choose to do so. Or, if you wish not to use the book you initially chose, you may open a new account via an appropriate SBR link and make the standard minimum $200+ deposit.

5. If you renew within the 30 day period before your membership expires, your initial Pro expiration date will carry through to the following year. For example: You first became a Pro on September 1st, 2010. On August 15th 2011 you renew your membership. Your membership will then expire September 1st, 2012.

If you have any further questions, please email GoPro@sbrforum.com

*** Once details for renewal via contributing $200 to selected charities become finalised, they will be added to this post.

[Al Masters]

Seems tough being an SBR pro these days.

[onetrickpony]

Seems tough being an SBR pro these days.

the only non pro comment in here

[Al Masters]

lower prices on all items for us

How the fuckk will lower prices help you,unless everything in the store is reduced to 300 points or less,guys like you have very little chance of accumilating 1000's of points.

You're not a threat to the SBR store,you're what SBR classifies as a Pizza Guy.

Other then that, hows your summer going?

[onetrickpony]

How the fuckk will lower prices help you,unless everything in the store is reduced to 300 points or less,guys like you have very little chance of accumilating 1000's of points. You're not a threat to the SBR store,you're what SBR classifies as a Pizza Guy. Other then that, hows your summer going?

im harmless, john knows that i piss away points when i get to 4 figs

going good sir, hbu?

[Al Masters]

im harmless, john knows that i piss away points when i get to 4 figs

going good sir, hbu?

SIR????.......hmmm, someone else seems to be using onetricks account.

[onetrickpony]

SIR????.......hmmm, someone else seems to be using onetricks account.

i think life would be better if everyone was just nicer to each other, dont u?

lets start fresh pal, what do u say

[Al Masters]

i think life would be better if everyone was just nicer to each other, dont u?

lets start fresh pal, what do u say

I'm in a slight state of shock,i feel if i agree i will fall for some kinda of Candid Camera trick, or you're all coked out at the moment.

Frizzelli can't be behind you on this one, but i do agree,life would be better without all the hate.

ok lets start all over.

You can call me AL.

[Gee]

I wish I could get pizza.

[onetrickpony]

I'm in a slight state of shock,i feel if i agree i will fall for some kinda of Candid Camera trick, or you're all coked out at the moment. Frizzelli can't be behind you on this one, but i do agree,life would be better without all the hate. ok lets start all over. You can call me AL.

[BranchDavidian]

I wish I could get pizza.

I'll purchase all the pizza you want and send it to you. In return, you can send me an equivalent amount of sportsbook cash or freeplay!

[Gee]

BD: if you were in Aus, we would have a deal... as long as it worked out fair. however, my pizza would be cold by the time it gets here I am not interested in cold pizza.

[horja1]

BD: if you were in Aus, we would have a deal... as long as it worked out fair. however, my pizza would be cold by the time it gets here I am not interested in cold pizza.

Cold is not even that bad ... but I think the pizza might have a different colour by the time it gets to you

[LostBankroll]

SBR is shit now that US members cant buy shit from sportsbooks. Who cares about Pizza thats fuckin $6.

[mrmarket]

Feel free to point out another kickback system that offers the same value in return for what is required. The changes are discouraging but you have no bargaining power so this thread is useless. Nobody will organize, numbers might drop off a bit on renewal but since the requirements for joining the program are so minimal everyone will just bitch and stick around.

[eleuropeano]

Please resend this message to your local political representative. SBR doesn't make US laws.

[pavyracer]

SBR is shit now that US members cant buy shit from sportsbooks. Who cares about Pizza thats fuckin $6.

Pizza is at least $10 and they pay the tip too for delivery. US posters are getting shafted but it's the FBI's fault as usual not SBR's.

[RudyRuetigger]

sbr was well aware of the US situation, and if it was illegal to some extent, they are still guilty..just because now they stopped doesn't give them a free pass. sam better watch his back in Las vegas

but lets face it, points for freeplays aren't illegal and not even the "grey area" sbr should be worried about.. the sketchy part is taking money from sportsbooks as your source of income, when it is completely illegal in the US.

its very similar to a drug dealer, middle man, drug user... sbr is the middle man.

[pavyracer]

sbr was well aware of the US situation, and if it was illegal to some extent, they are still guilty..just because now they stopped doesn't give them a free pass. sam better watch his back in Las vegas

but lets face it, points for freeplays aren't illegal and not even the "grey area" sbr should be worried about.. the sketchy part is taking money from sportsbooks as your source of income, when it is completely illegal in the US.

its very similar to a drug dealer, middle man, drug user... sbr is the middle man.

Always wandered what will happen if the IRS gets involved. You would need a heck of a lawyer to defend you if you're filing US tax income returns from income generated from activities completely illegal in the US.

[Glitch]

pretty sure they're based in the US and not costa rica and as this thread points out- have ceased and desisted facilitating real money gambling transactions with united states residents.

[shari91]

pretty sure they're based in the US and not costa rica and as this thread points out- have ceased and desisted facilitating real money gambling transactions with united states residents.

I had assumed they were mainly based in Costa Rica but I edited this because I don't know definitively. But they're not conducting financial transactions in the US and there's obviously a reason for that so I assume that ties in with where they're considered to be based for tax purposes.

I don't think offering straight "cash" for points that are given to posters for free is the problem for US guys. SBR could do that legally. Yes the inhouse rules would need to be tweaked. There is really no difference in giving a guy a pizza or what the pizza cost. The problem there is logistics. The company has no US accounts and wants to stay away from cash processing inside the US. We may offer a cash option for large point redemptions as a matter of convenience,

[katstale]

I feel the pain of USA posters. I am setting up Kat's Kingdom to help you. Hopefully, it will all be good and I will be accepting membership by the end of August. In the mean time, accumulate those points so you can "buy membership" and become one of my loyal subjects.

[RudyRuetigger]

They're definitely based in Costa Rica so I'm not sure why they'd be filing taxes with the IRS. SBR doesn't even have US bank accounts

If they still plan on being US citizens and/or visiting the country again they need to.

[shari91]

Edit - I found the answer to my question.

[RudyRuetigger]

Because of tax treaties you don't pay double taxes, but you still have to file with the US

[RudyRuetigger]

In my original post, I was referring to US Citizens (SBR) helping to facilitate illegal gambling operations in the US (and directly receiving pay from them) and then stepping back in the country.

(On a smaller scale, can someone with poker knowledge give insight as to what the affiliates of poker sites that offer rakeback but are located in the US are doing???) That is where SBR should look, although what sbr is doing is worse since poker is not "officially" illegal while taking sports bets is.

Pavy brought up the idea of the tax implications, I really don't know that much about it.

[shari91]

Because of tax treaties you don't pay double taxes, but you still have to file with the US

Yeah I just realised that. Our taxation year just ended June 30th and I looked at all of the attached docs from my accountant for once instead of just paying attention to the main file.

[pavyracer]

Pavy brought up the idea of the tax implications, I really don't know that much about it.

Remember how they got Al Capone. Not for the murders he committed, not for the illegal sales of alcohol during prohibition, but they got him for tax evasion.