k. desoremaux

treece · 06-07-08, 05:51 PM

His wife is fine.

topgame85 · 06-07-08, 05:53 PM

Yah she should leave him after that though he has now blown two triple crowns, Dutrow is not doing interview because he is beating the hell out of KD in the stable right now

DrunkenLullaby · 06-07-08, 05:54 PM

Originally posted by topgame85

Big brown is the best period

The best what, exactly?

pavyracer · 06-07-08, 05:56 PM

It's a 1.5 mile race. Big Brown is the best horse for 1 mile racing. End of the story.

topgame85 · 06-07-08, 05:56 PM

Best horse in many many years, I don't see how anyone can fault the horse anyone who watched that opening quarter would have to be blind to not see what a horrible ride KD gave him

DrunkenLullaby · 06-07-08, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by topgame85

Best horse in many many years,

This horse couldn't sniff the ass of Ghostzapper or Pleasantly Perfect...and probably not even Curlin, just to name a few. He's never beaten anybody and never run a great time.

babaoriley · 06-07-08, 05:59 PM

It was a bad ride. It was a bad situation (the speed horses getting out early but running a slow mile---never getting pushed--saving some energy, you know the rest). It just wasn't meant to be. I'm livid the DofC didn't win that race, but when you have the speed horse coasting through that first half-mile, you knew there was a chance that he could finish. Never got pressured at 3/4, 1... Just a bad situation.

topgame85 · 06-07-08, 06:02 PM

Well it is what it is Had he drawan the 10 post he wins easy had he gotten out the first time KD pulled him he wins easy bad riding bad post position BB haters are funny

ritehook · 06-07-08, 06:02 PM

Sorry top. Drunken Lull has it right, tho we don't know how BB will do later in year. Hopefullly, we'll see.

People who don't know the game are too quick to blame riders.

This horse should not have run in this race, given the quarter crack,the short training time, the heat, the mile and a half.

Desormeaux is NOT the reason the horse ran out. Jeeeze

pavyracer · 06-07-08, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by ritehook

Sorry top. Drunken Lull has it right, tho we don't know how BB will do later in year. Hopefullly, we'll see.

People who don't know the game are too quick to blame riders.

This horse should not have run in this race, given the quarter crack,the short training time, the heat, the mile and a half.

Desormeaux is NOT the reason the horse ran out. Jeeeze

You couldn't have said it any better.

topgame85 · 06-07-08, 06:08 PM

I have prob spent more time on horse racing then just about any one on here I am at the track at least 3 nights a week this horse was never pushed because he won everything easy due to weak competition noone knows his true potential because he has never had to be pushed your all welcome to your opinions boys and I will admit when I am wrong but the jockey controls the horse not vice versa he pulled him back and forth twice and then ran him into another horse!

topgame85 · 06-07-08, 06:08 PM

including todays competition it was extremely weak

pirate · 06-07-08, 06:12 PM

Those who can do...those who can't...blame the jockey.

Jocks and harness drivers get too much credit and too much blame.

topgame85 · 06-07-08, 06:29 PM

Well harness jockeys just flat out cheat haha I would like Richkas opinon on this ride if he agrees with y'all i will concede if he think KD screwed up this race i will stick to my guns

VegasDave · 06-07-08, 06:36 PM

The horse is the only horse in the field that has ever run a Beyer of 100... the early speed was not an issue... the 6 got that lead because it wasn't challenged.

With the 1 post and with Casino Drive out, there was no reason not to just send Big Brown to the front and never look back. Instead of wasting all that energy jockeying for position the horse should have just been comfortably in front.

daggerkobe · 06-07-08, 06:40 PM

that post position definately hurt him. He spent half the race trying to get outside and didnt have anything left down the stretch.

VegasDave · 06-07-08, 06:42 PM

^Which is why they had to adjust and let him take the early lead! He could have then run his race, saved steps, and burned them down the stretch.

Terribly run race.

topgame85 · 06-07-08, 06:44 PM

Finally someone sees what I did

bbyhill · 06-07-08, 06:45 PM

it also looked as if he was pulled up like something went wrong with him

bbyhill · 06-07-08, 06:46 PM

Originally posted by usckingsfan31

^Which is why they had to adjust and let him take the early lead! He could have then run his race, saved steps, and burned them down the stretch.

Terribly run race.

He has won on the lead in the Florida Derby at 1 1/8 and think the same as you he could have taken the lead and never looked back

topgame85 · 06-07-08, 06:47 PM

Yah something was clearly not right but I think the thing that was not right was how hard Desormeaux tried to get him outside, run out straight let the speed horse get on top and then come out when its clear if you want him outside they forced the issue to get outside

VegasDave · 06-07-08, 06:50 PM

I told my brother "they are just going to send him here... wire to wire handily ala Secretariat" (not that big of course but you get the idea)... Then he pulls up BB and I'm like what? Moves him 3 wide and I say okay, go ahead and give up the most advantageous post in racing, thats cool. Sit pretty over there. Instead he moves back to the inside, rides up the horses ass and gets his horse bumped, then moves back to the outside getting bumped again? And you wonder why the horse was tired?

TheSensation · 06-07-08, 06:55 PM

Originally posted by usckingsfan31

Instead he moves back to the inside, rides up the horses ass and gets his horse bumped, then moves back to the outside getting bumped again? And you wonder why the horse was tired?

That move BACK to the inside had me screaming. I don't get why he didn't have the balls to jump out in front and lead either! DaTara is a slow ****ing horse, the fact that DOC didn't catch him either just shows what a shitty field this was and how bad a jockey KD is for not capatilizing on it.

seaborneq · 06-07-08, 06:57 PM

I have more respect for the jockey for pulling up in defeat than whipping the hell out of the horse in victory. Great ride K. Desermeaux. I loved every minute of it, I also won the race.

bbyhill · 06-07-08, 06:59 PM

Had me screaming when he cut back in to LOL man Desormeaux blew another chance.BB clearly better than the field.

VegasDave · 06-07-08, 06:59 PM

Originally posted by TheSensation

That move BACK to the inside had me screaming. I don't get why he didn't have the balls to jump out in front and lead either! DaTara is a slow ****ing horse, the fact that DOC didn't catch him either just shows what a shitty field this was and how bad a jockey KD is for not capatilizing on it.

It made sense in the Derby in a field of 20...

It made sense in the Preakness when Gayego ran like a crazy horse with its blinkers on to the front to set the early pace.

BUT FROM THE 1 POST IN A FIELD CLEARLY INFERIOR TO YOU JUST LET THE HORSE RUN AN UN-DETERED TRIP AND YOU HAVE A WINNER.

pavyracer · 06-07-08, 06:59 PM

A 1 1/2 mile race is about 3 furlongs more or 2000 ft more than what this horse has ever raced before. It was also 95 degrees under shade or 120 degrees under sun while racing.

This horse was trained to win the first two short race tracks and had nothing left in the tank today.

VegasDave · 06-07-08, 07:01 PM

Disagree with you pavy, this is the jockey, not the horse.

bbyhill · 06-07-08, 07:08 PM

Originally posted by pavyracer

A 1 1/2 mile race is about 3 furlongs more or 2000 ft more than what this horse has ever raced before. It was also 95 degrees under shade or 120 degrees under sun while racing.

This horse was trained to win the first two short race tracks and had nothing left in the tank today.

I disagree with you Pavy.BB ran 1 1/4 and galloped out and didnt brake a sweat and 2 weeks later runs 1 1/16 and didnt brake a sweat galloped out under a hand ride that showed he had plenty left in the tank.

daggerkobe · 06-07-08, 07:09 PM

Da'tara ran a great race. Got off to the fastest start, took the rails and boxed in BB

so he had no choice but to go wide as he was boxed in by two horses. Plus the slip at the start did not help.

pavyracer · 06-07-08, 07:13 PM

Originally posted by bbyhill

I disagree with you Pavy.BB ran 1 1/4 and galloped out and didnt brake a sweat and 2 weeks later runs 1 1/16 and didnt brake a sweat galloped out under a hand ride that showed he had plenty left in the tank.

This why is very hard to win the triple crown. Because Belmont is the third and longest race and you can't prepare for it ahead of time like you do for the Derby and Preakness.

VegasDave · 06-07-08, 07:21 PM

Originally posted by daggerkobe

Da'tara ran a great race. Got off to the fastest start, took the rails and boxed in BB

so he had no choice but to go wide as he was boxed in by two horses. Plus the slip at the start did not help.

Had he come flying out the gate he wouldn't have lost the rail... but even still, he had room on the inside and instead chose to go to the outside. Lets throw out the easy fact BB should have been sent to the lead and pause where Datara gets in front of him... why can't he stalk from the rail? Why bounce 4 wide?

Datara ran a perfect race but even on its best day would have been no match for BB had it been allowed to run a decent race.

Panic · 06-07-08, 07:30 PM

Look at the bigger picture here, boys. The horse was bought for 190k. He had a problem with his hoof here. No excuse. He was running great all week leading up to this. Kent asked the horse to respond, he didnt. Kent backed the horse off. As an owner here I would get on my knees and thank God that he did that. Why? Because he just made me 20 mil in stud fees. He didnt push my horse when there was a problem and possibly creating a situation, like what we saw before, a collapse on the track and having to kill him. Fvck the triple crown, the owner will know happily retire this horse and get millions for a horse he paid 190k for.

bbyhill · 06-07-08, 07:38 PM

I was alive in the pick 4 with the 1-4 and the freaking 4 couldnt get up for me LOL

Pavy I play horses most everyday and know that the extra 1/4 from the derby wasnt a prob for BB the jock phuked it up for BB bottom line like Usckingsfan31 said he could have taken the lead out of the gate and wired the field no prob.