Pharmacist kills gun toting robber, gets life in prison

[EasyCover]

There is a huge difference between self defense snd going Dirty Harry.

[bettilimbroke999]

I dont have too much of an issue with him blasting the punk....but we cant have people unloading on others who are down and out. I think for this reason the guy should have received a few years for the 5 or 6 shots to an unarmed thug. Only because the thug was unarmed. That being said, I'm glad he took out that piece of crap.

I find it interesting that you guys keep saying he was unarmed, okay 2 guys bust into your home and one of them sticks a gun in your face, how the **** are you supposed to know the other is unarmed? I mean are you saying if this kid had a gun in his waistband then they should let the guy off? Its just fuckin weird you ppls logic

In the future if you and yoru pardna go in to rob a store how bout ya both have guns, I dont even understand why the kid didnt have a gun because he was guilty as his friend of armed robbery anyway, apparently this kid was just too broke to afford a gun which I guess was unlucky for the pharmacist, maybe had they executed the pharmacist they could've stolen his 2 guns and been more well armed for their future robberies

You guys are fukin classic, youll get that 9mm shoved in your mug and shit your pants as your brains are gettin blown out and you want to criticize this guy for defending himself, wtf is wrong with you pussies, defending armed robbers from being shot

[jw]

You guys are fukin classic, youll get that 9mm shoved in your mug and shit your pants as your brains are gettin blown out and you want to criticize this guy for defending himself, wtf is wrong with you pussies

I have not seen one person on this thread criticize the guy for defending himself .. not one person here has said that he was wrong to shoot the guy in the head ... are you sure that you are reading the same thread as the rest of us ?

[bettilimbroke999]

There is a huge difference between self defense snd going Dirty Harry.

I know what you're askin yourself, did the pharmacist fire 6 shots or all 7, well go ahead punk...make my day!

[bbenson011]

shit that sucks stupid niccas

[jgray]

Originally Posted by jgray
Jury nullification was needed here. There's no need to spend money incarcerating this guy for any length of time. He's not a danger to society..maybe criminals, but the rest of us seem safe.

Also consider the purpose of a prison sentence. One purpose of prison is to act as a deterrent to the rest of society. Do we care here? If a criminal gets killed in the act of committing a crime, does society lose? I say no. Frankly it would be better if all armed robbery perps were to be killed in the act. We wouldn't have to worry about holding them in prison. Who decides who should live and who should get killed? So someone stealing a piece of gum deserves to die in the act? Remember, this kid was unarmed and defenseless. This isn't the wild, wild west. Of course not there. Shoplifting should not be met with a bullet. That's not what happened here and you are being disingenuous to argue that this circumstance and your hypothetical are equal. And while hindsight shows this kid was unarmed, its not disputed that the perps brought a gun to this party and introduced firearms first.


Another purpose is to punish the perpetrator. Here, this guy's going to work and some dudes try to rob him. Does he deserve the punishment? Really? The pharmacist has to obey the law as much as thieves and robbers. He broke the law when he decided to kill an unarmed, defenseless person. Put it this way, what if someone cut in front of you in traffic and almost killed you? What if you got hit by a drunk driver?... Does that give you the right to get road rage, run after them and gun them down??? Your life was in danger just as much as this pharmacist but you both can't take the law into your hands. Again, you are ignoring the facts of this case. Neither of these hypotheticals should be met with a bullet. But that didn't happen here. I'd also suggest that the pharmacist WAS obeying the law before somebody pulled the gun on him. I'm willing to forgive what happened after, though, because of the severity of the bad actions on the part of the perps. Seriously, can't you tell the difference between getting cut off in traffic and armed robbery?

The prosecutor should have used his discretion to not bring this case but, after he did, the jury should have ignored the law and evidence and said to everyone, "I'm not going to send the victim to jail." Jury nullification. I'm a fan. Ignore the law? Come on. This guy killed someone. We're going after guys who did steroids, of course we can't let him go too. We shouldn't be going after steroids either. That's the perfect definition of a victimless crime (assuming we ignore baseball stat-nerds). I'll stand by my stance that jury nullification was appropriate here.
All that said, the guy asked for more trouble than he wanted with the subsequent shots. I just don't think the punishment fits the crime. We don't know the punishment just yet. I presume the punishment will fit the level that the court feels him a future threat or not. If he's no threat to society, he will probably walk but based on all the evidence this guy is a nutso and will have to spend some time behind bars. Agree, let's see what the sentence is. But my point is that there have been two instances where this case could have ended -- with the prosecutor and with the jury. That's where this should have ended.

One last point, I don't know where you get the idea that this guy is a danger to society. He seems pretty safe unless and until somebody pulls a gun on him. Given I will never pull a gun on him, I think I can find a way to peaceably co-exist with him.

[bettilimbroke999]

I have not seen one person on this thread criticize the guy for defending himself .. not one person here has said that he was wrong to shoot the guy in the head ... are you sure that you are reading the same thread as the rest of us ?

What do you call supporting sending him to prison for life? I think you need to reread the thread, just make sure you only wound the armed robbers that bust into your house, if you kill one of them youll be doing life, dont be excessive, no no no dont be excessive with 4 guys that bust into your home to rob and kill your family, oh one of the robbers you shot wasnt properly armed well **** you get LIFE ************

Go on and protect those armed robbers, send the victim who killed one em to prison for life, do society a favor and make sure that the next armed robber that gets wounded in commission of an armed robbery with 3 other suspects gets up and executes everyone in the store, be smart like that

[bettilimbroke999]

One last point, I don't know where you get the idea that this guy is a danger to society. He seems pretty safe unless and until somebody pulls a gun on him. Given I will never pull a gun on him, I think I can find a way to peaceably co-exist with him.

Exactly Im scared that if I bust up into his store with a ski mask on and stick a loaded gun in his face to rob him that he might defend himself, that's the extent of my fear of this pharmacist

Did you fuckin see the criminal record they had of the robber that was killed, at only 16 that kid had a rap sheet that looked like fuckin Dillinger, no tellin how many lives this pharmacist saved by killing that punk

Meanwhile the pharmacists record was a jaywalking citation in 1984, yep huge danger to society

[crustyme]

if the robber had been a girl, would the pharmacist have the right to rape her as she laid there unconcious?

afterall, he should be allowed to do whatever he wants cause it's his store, right?

[DwightShrute]

if the robber had been a girl, would the pharmacist have the right to rape her as she laid there unconcious?

is that a serious question?

[Cap dat 4ss]

It's just amazing to me that this verdict and sentence was handed down in Oklahoma. We're a very conservative state. In fact, we're the only state in the union in which EVERY county voted for Mccain in the last election. We take property rights and gun rights seriously. We have a make my day law (castle law) for times like this. Every one here owns a few rifles, shotguns and has a concealed carry license. Most people have a 30 ott 6 hanging in the rear window of their Ford. Can't wait to see if his sentence is commuted or he is pardoned. Tons of pressure on the Governor right now coming from citizens.

[crustyme]

is that a serious question?

yes.

if the pharmacist had raped her, should he also go free then?

[jw]

What do you call supporting sending him to prison for life?

He was sent to jail for life for the murder .. he had already defended himself when he put a bullet through the guys head and the guy lay motionless on the ground .... let me ask you this ... what is an acceptable amount of time between the first shot and the last then ..

If the guy sees the robber that actually had the gun a few minutes later later and unloads his gun into him killing the guy - is he still defending his property ... ? How about if he sees him a few hours later .. ? What about a few days or weeks later ... is it still defending his property at that point ? There has to be a cut-off point ... he knew the guy was no longer a threat as soon as he walked right over him to get to the second gun ... at that point it is no longer defense .... its pre-meditated murder ...

[JohnGalt2341]

Noone feels guilty for the scumbags BUT this pharmacist is a sicko. If you can't see that then your blind. That guy was waiting to kill someone, it was just pure luck it was a robber. This guy was a walking, talking Michael Douglas Falling Down.

Michael Douglas in Falling Down was only slightly insane in my opinion. Around half of the things he did I found rather heroic. This being just one of them:

[JohnGalt2341]

This is what should happen to all lowlife gangbangers:

[DwightShrute]

yes.

if the pharmacist had raped her, should he also go free then?

ok so the scenario you think is possible is he shoots one, a girl, then goes running out and tries to get the others, fails, comes back into the store, sees a bleeding girl, goes to the back, pops a couple viagras, waits a few minutes (maybe does a crossword or grabs a Penthouse to get into the mood), takes off her pants and panties, takes off his pants and starts pounding away like this has been one of his fantasies . Praying that the cops don't show up until he is done.

OK, yes if he does that, he should do jail time if I was on the jury.

[crustyme]

ok so the scenario you think is possible is he shoots one, a girl, then goes running out and tries to get the others, fails, comes back into the store, sees a bleeding girl, goes to the back, pops a couple viagras, waits a few minutes (maybe does a crossword or grabs a Penthouse to get into the mood), takes off her pants and panties, takes off his pants and starts pounding away like this has been one of his fantasies . Praying that the cops don't show up until he is done.

OK, yes if he does that, he should do jail time if I was on the jury.

so raping an unconscious robber is a crime to you but not murdering one?

[King Mayan]

It's just amazing to me that this verdict and sentence was handed down in Oklahoma. We're a very conservative state. In fact, we're the only state in the union in which EVERY county voted for Mccain in the last election. We take property rights and gun rights seriously. We have a make my day law (castle law) for times like this. Every one here owns a few rifles, shotguns and has a concealed carry license. Most people have a 30 ott 6 hanging in the rear window of their Ford. Can't wait to see if his sentence is commuted or he is pardoned. Tons of pressure on the Governor right now coming from citizens.

I still can't believe you can't see what happened in that store!!

If this was the other way around everybody would mad as fukk and would want the black pharmacist hanged!!!

The first fukking shot was a GREAT fukking shot.....KUDOS.

The rest was a trigger happy inbred shooting a defenseless 16 year old kid....

Only dumbfukks can't see this.....

[DwightShrute]

so raping an unconscious robber is a crime to you but not murdering one?

come on. You think that it is even humanly possible to do it? Ok, if he was able to do as I described, I would recommend a day in jail.

And "murdering one" isn't accurate as I see it.

If I came into your store, armed and ready to do who knows what ...I would expect you to do anything and everything you needed. All bets are off the table at that point. I started it. You have every right to kill me. Kill or be killed.

[bettilimbroke999]

He was sent to jail for life for the murder .. he had already defended himself when he put a bullet through the guys head and the guy lay motionless on the ground .... let me ask you this ... what is an acceptable amount of time between the first shot and the last then ..

If the guy sees the robber that actually had the gun a few minutes later later and unloads his gun into him killing the guy - is he still defending his property ... ? How about if he sees him a few hours later .. ? What about a few days or weeks later ... is it still defending his property at that point ? There has to be a cut-off point ... he knew the guy was no longer a threat as soon as he walked right over him to get to the second gun ... at that point it is no longer defense .... its pre-meditated murder ...

Dude did you even watch video, the guy did not just shoot the guy then sit on a stool and watch an episode of American Idol then come back and fire 5 shots into the punk

He chased his armed accomplice (who was an even greater threat obviously since he was uninjured and had his gun drawn) out of the store, sure he could've stood there and wasted that n$$$$r but then his pardna wouldve shot him and executed the other 2 women so he addressed threats on a priority basis, last priority was the very highly potentially armed robber that lay wounded in his store, he pulled out his gun and successfully eliminated the threat...congratulations on a perfect defense of self and store during a multiple suspect armed robbery, most of the time this ends the other way around.

See not everybody is able to shoot and assess multiple armed targets like you Robocop, I mean sure you can shoot one guy and assess through X-ray vision that he is unarmed whilst also somehow shooting the other clearly armed accomplice with his gun pointed at your head without flinching but not everyone has your fuckin superhuman Terminator skills

[thechaoz]

You never know what you will do in this situation..in the end they came in armed to kill and h edefended himself....such bs

[Mac4Lyfe]

One last point, I don't know where you get the idea that this guy is a danger to society. He seems pretty safe unless and until somebody pulls a gun on him. Given I will never pull a gun on him, I think I can find a way to peaceably co-exist with him.

Are you kidding? Have you read the report? Did you listen to him in the interview? The guy has some serious issues. How you don't see that is scary in itself. If you think this guy is normal then you might need to be checked. Did you watch this interview? There was not one shred of truth in any of his comments. How do you go on nationwide TV after the fact and make up lies, that you were shot, one of the ladies was dead, etc. Especially when his lawyer told him not to do it??? Who tells lies about killing people in Desert Storm? You can co-exist with him because you don't have to see him. I'd bet folks around him were in fear of him and knew he was nuts. WHY DO YOU THINK ONLY ONE PERSON DEFENDED HIM IN COURT???

[bettilimbroke999]

I still can't believe you can't see what happened in that store!!

If this was the other way around everybody would mad as fukk and would want the black pharmacist hanged!!!

The first fukking shot was a GREAT fukking shot.....KUDOS.

The rest was a trigger happy inbred shooting a defenseless 16 year old kid....

Only dumbfukks can't see this.....

Did you just get out of the shower King, bc I noticed your wetback

Race has zero to do with this case, are you trying to say I support white armed robbers? Fuckin ridiculous. This kid lived like an outlaw and died like an outlaw

[King Mayan]

fukking inbred...

Look at his ass turn his back on the kid on the floor.....

Yeah really scred huh???

Trigger happy fukk.

[bettilimbroke999]

ok so the scenario you think is possible is he shoots one, a girl, then goes running out and tries to get the others, fails, comes back into the store, sees a bleeding girl, goes to the back, pops a couple viagras, waits a few minutes (maybe does a crossword or grabs a Penthouse to get into the mood), takes off her pants and panties, takes off his pants and starts pounding away like this has been one of his fantasies . Praying that the cops don't show up until he is done.

OK, yes if he does that, he should do jail time if I was on the jury.

Can you say Pulp Fiction 2

Yes I agree he should do jail time in this highly unlikely situation, as raping the girl would have nothing to do with eliminating her as a threat but I did get a huge laugh out of this so I appreciate this ridiculous argument

BRING OUT THE GIMP WE GOT ANOTHER WOUNDED ARMED ROBBER!

[King Mayan]

Did you just get out of the shower King, bc I noticed your wetback

Race has zero to do with this case, are you trying to say I support white armed robbers? Fuckin ridiculous. This kid lived like an outlaw and died like an outlaw

My back is always wet, I work for a living(sweaty back), cousin fukker....

You white fukks always have racial undertones with these stories....

[DwightShrute]

Can you say Pulp Fiction 2

ya all we need to do cast a GIMP in there somewhere and we are set

[bettilimbroke999]

Im just sorry this kid died, what a productive member of society he couldve been had he not been gunned down by this dangerous pharmacist, thank you for getting these pharmacists off the street Oklahoma so us armed robbers can rob in peace

[tropolis]

the white comes off as a borderline retard in that interview.

it was murder, nothing more nothing less.

i dont know about life though. maybe 30 years.

[King Mayan]

Yeah we should kill all 16 year old kids that do crimes....

They're grown adults and know the true reprecutions of their actions...

[Mac4Lyfe]

So who decides what crimes should be met with gunfire? This is not disingenuous. We have to set the law and can't just give citizens the right to interpret them as they see fit. The bottom line is that if you fear for your life, you have every right to defend yourself but you also open yourself up for legal interpretation. If you shoot someone that pulled a gun on you, it's a lot easier to defend then someone that pulled a knife or a hoagie sandwich. You defend yourself in the act is a lot easier defense then waiting for the guy to be laying defenseless on the ground and you shoot him in the back several times. Just because someone else broke the law does not give you a license to break the law in return, even if the other person is a scumbag.

Do you not know that a car is a weapon? More people are killed in one week then all the people robbed and killed in a year. We are more at danger by a drunk driver than a random robber. I've lost a family member and several friends at the hand of drunk drivers. If a drunk driver struck your car and killed your wife and kids, does that give you the right to take out a gun and shoot him while he lay's defenseless in the road after the crash? Trust me, you would want this person dead and you feared for your life while the guy careened into you and killed your family. BUT, We can't go murdering drunk drivers just like we can't go murdering armed robbers. 2 wrongs do not make a right. Leave that to the police.

Shoplifting should not be met with a bullet. That's not what happened here and you are being disingenuous to argue that this circumstance and your hypothetical are equal. And while hindsight shows this kid was unarmed, its not disputed that the perps brought a gun to this party and introduced firearms first.

The pharmacist has to obey the law as much as thieves and robbers. He broke the law when he decided to kill an unarmed, defenseless person. Put it this way, what if someone cut in front of you in traffic and almost killed you? What if you got hit by a drunk driver?... Does that give you the right to get road rage, run after them and gun them down??? Your life was in danger just as much as this pharmacist but you both can't take the law into your hands. Again, you are ignoring the facts of this case. Neither of these hypotheticals should be met with a bullet. But that didn't happen here. I'd also suggest that the pharmacist WAS obeying the law before somebody pulled the gun on him. I'm willing to forgive what happened after, though, because of the severity of the bad actions on the part of the perps. Seriously, can't you tell the difference between getting cut off in traffic and armed robbery?

[jw]

sure he could've stood there and wasted that n$$$$r

ahhh - ok - this statement makes where you are coming from in this argument more than clear .. thanks .. I fully understand now ... :0)

[DwightShrute]

Yeah we should kill all 16 year old kids that do crimes....

They're a grown adults and know the true reprecutions of their actions...

if they are old enough to attempt to commit armed robbery, then yes. All cards are off the table. Ohhhh poor kid ... came into a store with a gun and was killed. He didn't know better. He was only 16. Boo fukking hoo. Let's hug him and buy him an Xbox and praise him while feeling sorry for him.

Pharmacist:1
dead fukking 16 year old criminal: 0

Would you rather have the headline read: Pharmacist dies because he couldn't defend himself from an armed robber.

It wasn't like the kid stole a candy bar.

[jw]

if they are old enough to attempt to commit armed robbery,

He wasn't armed.

Ohhhh poor kid ... came into a store with a gun and was killed.

He wasn't armed.

Would you rather have the headline read: Pharmacist dies because he couldn't defend himself from an armed robber.

He still wasn't armed.




... and when he was killed .. not only was he not armed .. he was lay on the floor - motionless - with a bullet through the head .. any normal person in that situation then calls the ambulance/police ... they don't walk away - go get another gun and put another 5 bullets into him just to make sure he is dead .. then lie to the police to try and cover-up the events ..

If he was innocent .. why the lies ?
He knew instantly that he had gone too far ... so he lied.

[King Mayan]

if they are old enough to attempt to commit armed robbery, then yes. All cards are off the table. Ohhhh poor kid ... came into a store with a gun and was killed. He didn't know better. He was only 16. Let's hug him and buy him an Xbox and praise him while feeling sorry for him.

Would you rather have the headline read: Pharmacist dies because he couldn't defend himself from an armed robber.

It wasn't like the kid stole a candy bar.

Like I said the FIRST shot was great..

Now if you can't see that the inbred executed the
Lil kid, well then you must have problems..

And in America the cards are never off the table...

I wish they were off for child molesters/murderers but they are not....