Someone take a stab at the series price.

AgainstAllOdds · 05-30-08, 01:34 PM

Lakers -240
Boston +225

jjgold · 05-30-08, 01:34 PM

Celts -180 over Lakers
Detroit -150 over Lakers

Wheell · 05-30-08, 01:37 PM

Implied odds seem to be saying Lakers -190, Celtics +170, Lakers -175, Pistons +155.

I like the Lakers in both cases.

Wheell · 05-30-08, 01:38 PM

Actually, need to make a correction: Lakers -185, Celtics +165.

Nicky Santoro · 05-30-08, 01:39 PM

jj is pretty close on both.. I like you AAO, but whatever you do, don't ever become an oddsmaker..

Lakers -240 over Boston?? WOW.. that was great, aao.

gordon gekko · 05-30-08, 01:39 PM

Originally posted by Wheell

Actually, need to make a correction: Lakers -185, Celtics +165.

That seems about right I am going to be on L.A. BIG.

BigOrangeTitans · 05-30-08, 01:40 PM

lakers will be dogs vs celtics

+130ish..

Nicky Santoro · 05-30-08, 01:42 PM

tell them, BOT.. i can't believe everyone not only are making the Lakers a fav, but are making them -185.. wow.. you guys are too much.

seaborneq · 05-30-08, 01:43 PM

Lakers +120, Celtics -110

Lakers -130, Pistion +120

AgainstAllOdds · 05-30-08, 01:45 PM

there is no way...lakers dominate the celts...celts have no chance

Nicky Santoro · 05-30-08, 01:53 PM

the only reason the line won't be Celtics - 280 for the series is ONLY because the lakers are flying high right now and the celts are struggling..

plus, the bookmakers know that everyone and their grandmother is going to bet the lakers because they are a public team and everyone loves KOBE.. (books make a line based on what they think public bets so they get even action)

so it wouldn't shock me if this line is close to a pick em because they will be flooded with laker bets because of how dominant they are now.. but this line should be Celtics -185 at the very least. So if the line is anywhere near pick em, the value will be definitely on the Celtics. They can explode at any time now. they won 66 games this year and have just been coasting now, but if they turn it up, it's bye bye lakers, and at pick em, i would be laughing..

BigOrangeTitans · 05-30-08, 01:57 PM

Originally posted by Nicky Santauro

tell them, BOT.. i can't believe everyone not only are making the Lakers a fav, but are making them -185.. wow.. you guys are too much.

Celts also have homecourt, which is a huge advantage.

seaborneq · 05-30-08, 02:54 PM

Originally posted by BigOrangeTitans

Celts also have homecourt, which is a huge advantage.

Pistons have home court also against the Lakers. Pistons had 59 wins.

Wheell · 05-30-08, 02:58 PM

Let me make something VERY clear:

The game lines will be as follows: In Boston Celtics -3 (give or take .5), in LA Celtics +7 (give or take .5).

That implies the Lakers having a bit under a 2-1 edge for the series. The Celtics are underdogs and they should be underdogs. The Lakers post Gasol have been the best team in the NBA and it hasn't been all that close.

And yes, the Lakers will be home for games 3,4,5 no matter who comes out of the East.

rjt721 · 05-30-08, 03:05 PM

Lakers were -150 to win the championship BEFORE last night's Game 5 win (Celtics were +185).

Lakers -180
Celtics +160

Lakers -220
Pistons +195

Wheell · 05-30-08, 03:14 PM

Presuming no more injuries for the Pistons they will be a smaller dog than the Celtics in the finals, although only slightly.

rjt721 · 05-30-08, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by Wheell

Presuming no more injuries for the Pistons they will be a smaller dog than the Celtics in the finals, although only slightly.

You don't think Billups being clearly less than 100% will be factored in? It remains to be seen how injured Hamilton is, but I see Billups' status as being enough to make the Pistons a bigger dog than the Celtics in a potential match up.

One thing's for sure -- the Lakers will be considerable favorites regardless of the oppostition. Anyone saying otherwise is way off.

Ganchrow · 05-30-08, 03:21 PM

Based solely off current Matchbook lines I'd estimate:

Celtics +155
Lakers -175

Pistons +150
Lakers -170

Nicky Santoro · 05-30-08, 03:23 PM

rjt,

keep dreaming about your lines, cause that's what it is, ONLY a dream.. you think the Lakers will be -200?? How much can i bet on the celtics with you now?

the only reason why the lakers were higher than the celts before yesterday's game was because Lakers were up 3-1 and celts were still undecided at 3-2..

if the celts were up 3-1 and lakers were 3-2 at that time, the celts would have been -220, instead of the lakers.

rjt721 · 05-30-08, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by Nicky Santauro

rjt,

keep dreaming about your lines, cause that's what it is, ONLY a dream.. you think the Lakers will be -200?? How much can i bet on the celtics with you now?

the only reason why the lakers were higher than the celts before yesterday's game was because Lakers were up 3-1 and celts were still undecided at 2-2..

if the celts were up 3-1 and lakers were 2-2 at that time, the celts would have been -220, instead of the lakers.

Celtics were up 3-2 at the time.

I didn't say the Lakers would be -200 against the Celtics, I estimated -180.

You want to bet on who will be favored in this series?

I'll take Lakers will be the favorite -300.
You can have Celtics will be favored +250.

jjgold · 05-30-08, 03:29 PM

Lakers do not have home court advantage against both teams which is huge.

Nicky Santoro · 05-30-08, 03:29 PM

linesmakers always go by which team is doing good and who is on a roll.. right now, the lakers are on a roll.

but what if the celtics tonight win in Detroit by 34.. lets just assume they look like the real celts and blowout detroit. everyone now will be saying, omg, the celts are back. these are the celts i know that won 66 games this year. they looked so good blowing out DET in DET..

do you still think the lakers will be the favorite. i guarantee you if Celts blowout detroit tonight on the road, they will open up a big fav as everyone will be saying, these celtics look like they've regained their form

and if the celtics struggle to game 7 and win by 1, then LAL might be the favorite here because everyone will be betting Lakers and books don't want this.

rjt721 · 05-30-08, 03:32 PM

Nicky,

Do we have a bet?

I'm giving you +250 on the Celtics opening as the fave when the series price becomes available (obviously predicated on the C's actually winning the series).

I'll give you Pistons +250 as well if you want it.

Nicky Santoro · 05-30-08, 03:34 PM

i will take that bet if the Celtics win tonight.. if they lose, then it can go either way.. if the celts win tonight and they look great by winning by a minimum of 7 pts, you're on, and we will send our money to someone here to hold.. but they have to win tonight. if they get blownout, and then squeak out game 7 by 1 pt or 2 pts, no bet.

Wheell · 05-30-08, 03:36 PM

Nicky: The odds of the Celtics being favored once the matchup is set is statistically similar to zero. It would require an injury to Kobe, Gasol, or Odom. I'm not joking, I'm not kidding, I'm not bluffing.

The Lakers WILL be favored. The only issue is how much.

Nicky Santoro · 05-30-08, 03:39 PM

i will still make this bet.. BUT the celts have to win big tonight.. if they don't, no bet. at +250, it's worth a shot..

i will put up 400, he can put up 1,000..

but they have to show up tonight with a convincing victory over DET.. and i dont mean by 3 pts either. if they win big tonight, ok.. if they lose, NO BET..

Ganchrow · 05-30-08, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by Nicky Santauro

so it wouldn't shock me if this line is close to a pick em because they will be flooded with laker bets because of how dominant they are now.. but this line should be Celtics -185 at the very least.

If you think the fair line on the Celtics in the Championship should be -185 (and I have no comment as to the validity of this claim), then you should be hopping on Celtics to win at +228 on Matchbook (you can currently get about $2K down to _225. although obviously you'd also want to hedge by betting Detroit to win the Eastern Conference -- assuming you think it close to fair value at current prices).

Wheell · 05-30-08, 03:42 PM

Nicky, presume the Celtics win by 30. The Lakers will be favored 100% of the time. Now, that 100 is 99.99 rounded up, but the Lakers will be favored regardless of what the Celtics do. I wish i could help you more, but this is all I can do for you.

AgainstAllOdds · 05-30-08, 03:42 PM

I think for the bet to be valid you have to give a number for what "win big" is

Wheell · 05-30-08, 03:43 PM

Ganch: He can also bet against the Lakers to win the Title, it serves a very similar purpose.

LT Profits · 05-30-08, 03:44 PM

Pesonally I think series price will be the same regardless of who wins the East:

Lakers -180
East +160

Ganchrow · 05-30-08, 03:45 PM

Originally posted by Wheell

Ganch: He can also bet against the Lakers to win the Title, it serves a very similar purpose.

Either/Or.

Whatever happened to be cheaper at the time.

Nicky Santoro · 05-30-08, 03:47 PM

anyone here want to make me a price right now on the celtics vs Lakers that we can bet.. i will send the money right now, and so do you.. but they must meet OR no bet.

make me a series price and if i like it, i will bet it..

lets hear it wheel...

pokernut9999 · 05-30-08, 03:48 PM

I will give you either team Detroit or Boston +200