Anybody who thinks the Heat will lose the series v the bulls should stop gambling.

[Tallcash21]

Not being very NBA astute meaning your A MORON. QUIT WATCHING THE GAME

[jizay]

Asik would be a starter and the 4th best player on the Heat... If you think Asik is a worthless stiff, you are just not very NBA astute.

Or, you're a hopelessly deluded homer. Is John Hollinger not very NBA astute? http://espn.go.com/nba/player/hollin...3414/omer-asik

"he'll have to pump some iron if he wants more than ten minutes a night."

Your touting is ridiculous. 10th man, plain and simple.

[Inkwell77]

Liking the Heat at +120 right now. Bosh played well and has some confidence which is important. Lebron and Wade are 2 of the top players on the planet and both have plenty of confidence and experience. Think they come out incredibly defense and rebound oriented in game 2 and the Bulls score less than 90 points.

Lebron has shown he can come from behind in a couple series, down 2-0 to Detroit in 2007. Down 2-0 to the Celtics in 2008 and took it to 7 games but lost.

[chantrain]

Asik has been pumping iron, actually, he's a huge gym rat and everybody on the team knows that Bogans and Asik are two of the biggest gym rats on the Bulls.

the more you talk the more wrong about everything you are. and Hollinger is a moron, he's not always right. He picked the Bucks to win the central division and he still can barely admit that Rose deserved his MVP. He's a close-minded buffoon, I don't think he even watched games.

[FrozenMAN]

LOS BULLS!!!! **** those heat and those homos lebron/wade and bosh

[d2bets]

Asik is also in the top 10 in rebounds per 48 minutes, first among rookies. Anybody who thinks he's easily pushed around has an old scouting report and isn't paying attention. He's not going to get big minutes on the Bulls though because he's behind Noah. But he is damn good, has gotten progressively better in his rookie season and has a ton of room to improve.

[rickbo528]

As would about 40-50 other players.

Asik is an big dope.

If he is as good as you say why didnt he avg more than 14 mins with Boozer and Noah out?

Why? Because he is a stiff. He is a deplorably bad FT shooter, which makes him a liability in any close game. He has no range what so ever. He cant stay on the floor - avgs 2 PFs in 12 mins per game. He has no range to pull an opponents big from the paint.

Maybe when you say solid you mean that he weighs like 270? Good point.

I've watched most Bulls games this year. I'm not about to say Asik is a great center but I've watched him progress throughout the season as he learns the NBA game. He is a big body that fits in now defensively with the 2nd unit for the Bulls. I said he fits in NOW on the 2nd unit. He wasn't ready early in the season, which is why Kurt Thomas played a lot of valuable minutes. Coach T trusts him enough now that in game 5 vs Atlanta he stayed on the court the entire 4th qtr while Noah and Boozer sat. With the defensive schemes of the Bulls Asik isn't required to score.Anything he scores is gravy. Apparently he is not being guarded at times and knows how to roll to the basket. He has turned into a nice role player for the Bulls. That's what makes the Bulls a great TEAM now. They have players that except their roles and play with a defense intensity because that is what Coach T demands. His height and the Bulls overall front court is what will ultimately decide this series. Sure Miami could still win this series, but I really don't think so.

[jizay]

Asik is also in the top 10 in rebounds per 48 minutes

No he isn't: http://www.nba.com/statistics/player...DD=All%20Teams

You got your "fact" from his Wiki page, which is the only place that it is claimed he was top 10. Also, RP48 isn't super informative for guys that don't play much. For example, Asik is 24th while Miami's Magloire is 5th.

LOL - good job Mr. Basketball, you tried to argue your point pulling crap from a player's wiki.

[jizay]

I've watched most Bulls games this year. I'm not about to say Asik is a great center but I've watched him progress throughout the season as he learns the NBA game. He is a big body that fits in now defensively with the 2nd unit for the Bulls. I said he fits in NOW on the 2nd unit. He wasn't ready early in the season, which is why Kurt Thomas played a lot of valuable minutes. Coach T trusts him enough now that in game 5 vs Atlanta he stayed on the court the entire 4th qtr while Noah and Boozer sat. With the defensive schemes of the Bulls Asik isn't required to score.Anything he scores is gravy. Apparently he is not being guarded at times and knows how to roll to the basket. He has turned into a nice role player for the Bulls. That's what makes the Bulls a great TEAM now. They have players that except their roles and play with a defense intensity because that is what Coach T demands. His height and the Bulls overall front court is what will ultimately decide this series. Sure Miami could still win this series, but I really don't think so.

Yes. This is completely realistic.

[goblinburner]

man realistically any of these teams can win chicago is basically unstoppabable at home and the heat have 2 of the the top 4 players its a coin flip pick heads or tails

[suicidekings]

No he isn't: http://www.nba.com/statistics/player...DD=All%20Teams

You got your "fact" from his Wiki page, which is the only place that it is claimed he was top 10. Also, RP48 isn't super informative for guys that don't play much. For example, Asik is 24th while Miami's Magloire is 5th. LOL - good job Mr. Basketball, you tried to argue your point pulling crap from a player's wiki.

Ummm... It might make sense to look at only the Qualified Players in this discussion. Asik played in 82 games this season, whereas your link includes players in the top 20 that played in as little as 4 games this season. Much more relevant from the standpoint of how much he has actually contributed to the Bulls this year. Among qualified players (70+ games, I think), Asik ranks 11th, and Dejuan Blair is the only non-starter that ranks higher than him.

Hard to argue against his value here...

[jizay]

Ummm... It might make sense to look at only the Qualified Players in this discussion. Asik played in 82 games this season, whereas your link includes players in the top 20 that played in as little as 4 games this season.

Ummm...or it might not. 3 of them played less than 30 games. Throw them out. The rest there's a pretty good sample on. 70 is a pretty arbitrary cutoff - shouldn't we count guys like Joakim Noah? While we're talking about what makes sense, you're analyzing the rebounds of a guy who played a significant portion of his minutes this year in garbage time. BTW, while we're at it, how's his Efficiency Rating among qualified players? You'll have to flip through a lot of pages, so I pulled it for you:

http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/Efficiency.jsp?season=22010&league=00&conf=OVERALL&qualified=Y&position=0&splitType=9&yearsExp=-1&splitDD=&pager.offset=300

#302

But yeah, he's awesome, he was GREAT in game 1, he would be the 4th best player on the Heat, and everyone who disagrees knows nothing about basketball. Or so say your friends who get facts from a Wiki fanpage.

[Tallcash21]

If hes not the 4th best player on the Heat he would be the 4th most valuable put it that way.

[yisman]

Bulls won the 3 regular season games by 8 total points and Lebron didn't play in one of them. Heat in 5 or 6 games...

LeBron played in 2 and the Heat lost anyway. That included a home game.

[suicidekings]

Ummm...or it might not. 3 of them played less than 30 games. Throw them out. The rest there's a pretty good sample on. 70 is a pretty arbitrary cutoff - shouldn't we count guys like Joakim Noah? While we're talking about what makes sense, you're analyzing the rebounds of a guy who played a significant portion of his minutes this year in garbage time. BTW, while we're at it, how's his Efficiency Rating among qualified players? You'll have to flip through a lot of pages, so I pulled it for you:

http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/Efficiency.jsp?season=22010&league=00&conf=OVERALL&qualified=Y&position=0&splitType=9&yearsExp=-1&splitDD=&pager.offset=300

#302

But yeah, he's awesome, he was GREAT in game 1, he would be the 4th best player on the Heat, and everyone who disagrees knows nothing about basketball. Or so say your friends who get facts from a Wiki fanpage.

You're very animated about this... Asik wouldn't be the 4th best player on the Heat. I never said he would be. I'm pretty sure they would love to have him right now though...

I think the best comparison for Asik is a young Kendrick Perkins. In KP's second season, playing 10 mpg in 60 games (he only played 3mpg in 10 games as a rookie) he put up similar numbers as Asik. Not a scorer, but a tough defender and the kind of guy whose value is hard to quantify with a stat sheet to the team's overall defensive effort. You only have to look back at the last MIA-BOS series to see how important that kind of defender is to a team and how much Boston missed him in the post-season.

[SportsPedagogy]

You actually have to watch the games to understand what Asik does. He came in against Atlanta in game 5 when Atlanta was destroying chicago on inside backets and he forced them to resort back to their jumpers which were much less accurate. Chicago rolled in that 4th Q.

[jizay]

You're very animated about this... Asik wouldn't be the 4th best player on the Heat. I never said he would be. I'm pretty sure they would love to have him right now though...

Sorry chief. That's the kind of stuff that some of these guys have been coming at me with.

[bbenson011]

heat storm back behind the king

[politicin]

Sorry chief. That's the kind of stuff that some of these guys have been coming at me with.

If Asik was on the Heat where would he rank amongst centers?

[jwbjwbjwb12]

bron bron brings the boys back

[anticsd]

MIA can't win unless Wade James and Bosh has perfect games and Haslem/House have more minutes. That has yet to happen.

[Tallcash21]

No one is worried about Haslem or Eddie House trust me.

[paco]

[Call82]

I dont think so...because the Heat is not a team, its just three very talented idiots...

[BernardMadoff]

How would they lose the homecourt edge if they lost game 2?

They would be 1-1 with 5 games left and home court advantage.

I can't believe people actually take you seriously on this forum.

Umm to my recollection, if they lose game 2 it means theyve given up home court and would have to win at least one in Miami.

[FindTheLock]

Umm to my recollection, if they lose game 2 it means theyve given up home court and would have to win at least one in Miami.

haha you're right. Obviously he's not a math major.

[demens]

Sorry chief. That's the kind of stuff that some of these guys have been coming at me with.

Maybe its because half of your posts in 2 years have been about how Asik sucks? So yeah, maybe not the 4th best then how about 3rd best player on the Heat huh? . Your obsession with bashing him is unhealthy and you clearly dont understand the sport if you keep trying to measure a player like him by stats. Did he

[chantrain]

You actually have to watch the games to understand what Asik does.

exactly. Just because his stats aren't great doesn't mean he sucks.

[texhooper]

the playoffs are clearly too drawn out when all that's been done in this thread the last 2 days is argue about whether or not fukking asik is any good.

[arnoldrothstein]

Lakerboy you made this retarded thread so i hope your puting your money where your mouth is Miami went from -200 to +110 after only one game. Big line moving legend you

[bigp69]

I agree lakerboy GL

Haters will be silenced after the series...

[rm18]

Asik is a beast the Turkish Tyson Chandler

[BernardMadoff]

Lakerboy you made this retarded thread so i hope your puting your money where your mouth is Miami went from -200 to +110 after only one game. Big line moving legend you

And how dumb is that to move a line like that. Its all public perception, home teams are supposed to take care of home, but they know people will have knee jerk reactions and jump at it. And what do you think will happen to the line if Miami wins tonight, thats right it will more than likely be more than the -210 for Miami that it started at.

[todd73nj]

Asik is a beast the Turkish Tyson Chandler

You guys seem to have a lot of man love for a guy who is nothing more than 10th man.

Would be nice to see him play a few mins against Tyson Chandler - oh but wait. He isnt a starter. He is just a bench warmer.

When is his contract up? Maybe he will be in high demand!!

[twelvejewelz]

You guys seem to have a lot of man love for a guy who is nothing more than 10th man. Would be nice to see him play a few mins against Tyson Chandler - oh but wait. He isnt a starter. He is just a bench warmer. When is his contract up? Maybe he will be in high demand!!

Yes and thats sad that a bench warmer on the bulls would be 4th man on the heat...