imagine this happening to you

[Willie Bee]

The problem is, none of the story you just wrote is anything like what was originally written.

And the problems with the original story are: A) None of it has been verified by a credible news link, and; B) you've only heard one side of it, and that side is obviously sympathetic to the guy who lost his dog.

[swede96]

Baby daughter, you know I love you. But do you have any idea what two dozen angora goats cost or one registered hereford calf? Why no love for the fish? Why not placing responsibility on the dog owner for even putting his dog into that situation?

See, you're thinking about "cost" and I'm thinking about the fact that an innocent animal was murdered. This was not a wild dog. He was not killing goats. He was hanging out with his buddy. I'm not saying the dog owner wasn't in the wrong. He deserved a warning or a fine for tresspassing and maybe another fine if there's a leash law in that town. He did NOT deserve to watch him dog get shot in the head.

[Sportsgirl]

there were snakes, tarantulas, scorpions, etc.

Ah, yeah, about that cookout - nope, can't make it.

[mofome]

And the problems with the original story are: A) None of it has been verified by a credible news link, and; B) you've only heard one side of it, and that side is obviously sympathetic to the guy who lost his dog.

1) the situation is hypothetical with regard to my life no matter.
2) what other side could i have heard? im not going to make up another side of it. i can only reply to whats been said. i could assume that the other guy would say the dog was talking trash and throwing Chinese throwing stars at him as he approached, but im not going to.

[bettilimbroke999]

The problem is, none of the story you just wrote is anything like what was originally written.

as for rape, i dont know anyone that has been raped while ive known them nor who raped them. I do know that my cousin was shot and killed by his step father and ive tried to find him. Don't act like you know people that you do not. i'm as nice as can be, but im defensive and i am not all that concerned about any punishments i may face for doing what i want to do. i would never hurt anyone intentionally that did not deserve it.

tah tah

I understand and I respect your defense of friends and family (I can understand if someone intentionally and illegally murdered a friend or family member, in fact you'd be saving the taxpayer's money by killing him) but supporting this guy going back and murdering the landowner, I feel you have to be joking here as I know you're really not that dumb.

[element1286]

And the problems with the original story are: A) None of it has been verified by a credible news link, and; B) you've only heard one side of it, and that side is obviously sympathetic to the guy who lost his dog.

If the dog posed an imminent threat to farmer then it is a different story. But I think the fact that he walked out there with a shotgun in hand, even tough there were two cops with him makes me suspicious of what his intentions were in the first place. If there was no threat to him, and by what was said there doesn't seem to have been, then he had no right shooting the dog.

[SBR Lou]

Betlil's interpretation makes sense. If this story is true, it's reasonable to believe the land owner called the cops when he saw this guy and his dog using his land like it was a public park.

Then to assume it's alright to let your dog run up to a total stranger that has no idea about you or your 140lb animals intentions is NOT smart. The girls here are assuming this was a "cute lil puppy wuppy like Paris Hilton has", no, it was a big ugly, mean looking ass Doberman.

[SBR Lou]

But I think the fact that he walked out there with a shotgun in hand, even tough there were two cops with him makes me suspicious of what his intentions were in the first place.

If I come onto your property and do whatever the hell I want, and you don't know me from a hole in the wall, would you not keep a gun by your side..?

Then if my big ass, mean looking animal comes running up to you, are you going to assume he wants to be pet..?

[Willie Bee]

It's harder to determine if those animals are aggressive.

Not if you've been around them.

Dogs wear their feelings all over their body.

Really...Ok, which one of these two dogs is growling or exhibiting aggressive body language?

[swede96]

Betlil's interpretation makes sense. If this story is true, it's reasonable to believe the land owner called the cops when he saw this guy and his dog using his land like it was a public park.

Then to assume it's alright to let your dug run up to a total stranger that has no idea about you or your 140lb animals intentions is NOT smart. The girls here are assuming this was a "cute lil puppy wuppy like Paris Hilton has", no, it was a big ugly, mean looking ass Doberman.

Don't start with me Lou, I am fully aware of what a Doberman looks like. As I said, it's pretty easy to tell when a dog like that is aggressive and when it's just playing. Maybe the owner assumed that other people could tell as well. Whenever I was out in my yard with my dog and someone came over that didn't know him. I would just say: "Don't worry, he's friendly." as he was running over. It's that simple.

[Shark79]

I see snakes and tarantulas in my backyard almost everyday ... do I kill 'em? no ... I move away and continue my walk around my backyard

[bettilimbroke999]

It's harder to determine if those animals are aggressive. Dogs wear their feelings all over their body.

, 140 lb dobermans rushing up to you by rednecks trespassing on your land are always friendly, note to self. This high on meth nut prolly thought the cops were coming to mow him down for fishing and released his dog to see what was up, I have a hard time picturing the dog being petted by the cop and the landowner putting a 12 guage to his head and blowing his brains away, the 140 lb redneck doberman was running up to a landowner that was trying to throw its owner of his property and he shot him, good shot. Maybe the redneck will save enough on dog food to buy/rent a couple acres to fish on.

[pokernut9999]

If the guy called the cops and waited for them to get there , any cop in their right mind would have never let the man carry a shotgun to approach them.

[Shark79]

Not if you've been around them.

Really...Ok, which one of these two dogs is growling or exhibiting aggressive body language?

Id say #2

[TexansFan]

Id keep him for 3 months and then off him. ive always wanted to keep someone that broke into my home, this would be just as good.

You got a backroom at a local pawn shop Mo?

[Willie Bee]

2) what other side could i have heard? im not going to make up another side of it. i can only reply to whats been said.

I understand that you're not going to make somethng up, but you also seem to have quickly adopted the point of view that there isn't another side to this story.

[swede96]

Not if you've been around them.

Really...Ok, which one of these two dogs is growling or exhibiting aggressive body language?

You're right Willie, I wasn't aware that it was a HEADLESS Doberman!

If I had to guess based on just those pictures and assuming that one actually IS growling and you're not playing a trick, I'd say the top one.

[mofome]

I understand and I respect your defense of friends and family (I can understand if someone intentionally and illegally murdered a friend or family member, in fact you'd be saving the taxpayer's money by killing him) but supporting this guy going back and murdering the landowner, I feel you have to be joking here as I know you're really not that dumb.

Just my initial response. My old pup was one of my best friends, when he died it was awful. I cant imagine how i would react if i had seen someone shoot him. Its impossible to put yourself in someone elses place, i also wouldn't have my dog in a situation where he was able to approach strangers with guns.

as for the family member, my 'uncle' at the time killed my cousin who was only 13. he went to prison, my aunt remarried him, and hes since been released. im not sure what the most disgusting part of all that is, but when i found out he had been released i did what i could to find him and had no success. i was charging up credit to all these web sites that turned out to be useless.

[SBR Lou]

Don't start with me Lou, I am fully aware of what a Doberman looks like. As I said, it's pretty easy to tell when a dog like that is aggressive and when it's just playing. Maybe the owner assumed that other people could tell as well. Whenever I was out in my yard with my dog and someone came over that didn't know him. I would just say: "Don't worry, he's friendly." as he was running over. It's that simple.

Right, YOUR yard.

It's an entirely different scenario if someone is trespassing all day on your land and then their dog runs up to the owner of the land.

[swede96]

, 140 lb dobermans rushing up to you by rednecks trespassing on your land are always friendly, note to self. This high on meth nut prolly thought the cops were coming to mow him down for fishing and released his dog to see what was up, I have a hard time picturing the dog being petted by the cop and the landowner putting a 12 guage to his head and blowing his brains away, the 140 lb redneck doberman was running up to a landowner that was trying to throw its owner of his property and he shot him, good shot. Maybe the redneck will save enough on dog food to buy/rent a couple acres to fish on.

The dog hadn't gotten there yet. I didn't say they were always friendly, I said you can tell when they are. I'm not playing this game with you. I'm pretty sure you take the short bus to school.

[element1286]

If I come onto your property and do whatever the hell I want, and you don't know me from a hole in the wall, would you not keep a gun by your side..?

Then if my big ass, mean looking animal comes running up to you, are you going to assume he wants to be pet..?

Isn't there a difference between fishing and letting your dog run around a stream, and doing "whatever you want."

[TexansFan]

Maybe the question was asked, I didn't feel like reading all the pages, but did the police draw their weapons or what did they say in a statement, if they gave one. There's something missing from the story that I'm not getting.

[mofome]

You got a backroom at a local pawn shop Mo?

[swede96]

Right, YOUR yard.

It's an entirely different scenario if someone is trespassing all day on your land and then their dog runs up to the owner of the land.

Legally, it's different, yes.

What I'm saying is: the owner probably should have called the dog back or let the people know he was friendly. Not doing so may have been careless, but he didn['t deserve that kind of punishment. Furthermore, had the farmer raised his gun and warned the owner, I'm sure the owner would have gotten his dog to stop. But no, the farmer shot first and asked questions later. That's just not right.

[mofome]

I understand that you're not going to make somethng up, but you also seem to have quickly adopted the point of view that there isn't another side to this story.

typically i probably wouldn't, but thor is my bud and so that gets me on his side off the bat. im also sympathetic with animals and cynical of most humans..

[SBR Lou]

Isn't there a difference between fishing and letting your dog run around a stream, and doing "whatever you want."

Whose property was he on while he was doing this..? He was doing whatever he wanted, with no regard to whose land he was on. That alone doesn't warrant being shot or shot at, but having a strange 140lb Doberman approach the owner of this land you're having a good old time on isn't the smartest thing in the world.

[mofome]

This brings me back to an old classic, should it be legal to hunt hunters.

[swede96]

Maybe the question was asked, I didn't feel like reading all the pages, but did the police draw their weapons or what did they say in a statement, if they gave one. There's something missing from the story that I'm not getting.

According to the original story, the police didn't draw their weapons because they could see that the dog was coming to greet them, not kill them.

[Willie Bee]

You're right Willie, I wasn't aware that it was a HEADLESS Doberman!

Ok, so by "all over their body" you really just mean whether or not they're showing any teeth, I guess.

[Willie Bee]

There's something missing from the story that I'm not getting.

You're right, and my guess is the one thing missing from this story is the truth.

[element1286]

Whose property was he on while he was doing this..? He was doing whatever he wanted, with no regard to whose land he was on. That alone doesn't warrant being shot or shot at, but having a strange 140lb Doberman approach the owner of this land you're having a good old time on isn't the smartest thing in the world.

Alright, but I just don't think the farmer had any right to do this unless he was in danger of being hurt himself. If he was, I understand, but if he wasn't he was wrong.

[TexansFan]

Speaking from experience, I don't give a crap whose property it is. If the police are coming to a scene who but an idiot would let someone keep a weapon of any kind? Maybe this happened out in the sticks but nobody is going to keep any type of weapon if I'm there.

[swede96]

Ok, so by "all over their body" you really just mean whether or not they're showing any teeth, I guess.

I believe I said if I had to guess. Neither really looked aggressive to me. What's the point of only showing me the back end? The farmer in this case could see the whole dog. It's obvious neither of those dogs are on the attack.

P.S. Read my post again. I outlined how to tell if a dog is aggressive.

Need me to say it again?

Aggressive: Ears back, showing teeth, hair on back standing up, tail rigid (for starters)
Playful: Ears up, not showing teeth, tail and body relaxed.

[mofome]

Why does willie have pictures of dogs on his pc? willie didnt just find those, he loaded them from his myspace page. someone explain this to me.

[mofome]

Speaking from experience, I don't give a crap whose property it is. If the police are coming to a scene who but an idiot would let someone keep a weapon of any kind? Maybe this happened out in the sticks but nobody is going to keep any type of weapon if I'm there.

Texansfan, Willie be is a weapon of mass destruction if you touch his burger, let me tell you that now, before you find out the hard way at the bash. I still have a black eye from the 2nd day i met him.