imagine this happening to you

[SBR Lou]

Agreed, we don't know all the facts, but from what was said originally the dog did not pose a threat. If there is no threat it is not defense, and the farmer had no right to shoot the dog.

Yes you're right. The brother of the dogs owner said it was lovable, guess he had no reason to shoot it.

As someone who has been attacked by some rednecks black lab on my own property while trying to get rid of said rednecks who were hunting with rifles in a posted area, I will side with the farmer. When I was attacked the dog was just wandering around and the hunter knew I was there to kick them off the property. The dog was trained to protect his owner and the closer I got the more vicious the dog became. I now take a riffle out with me every time I need to kick someone off the property just because I need to bring equal firepower. Now I would not shoot a animal unless he attacked me and I had no choice, but some people don't have the nerves to wait that long and trigger fingers get itchy in these situations.

[mofome]

Again, I would have to read the entire article and not a summation of it. I don't care what anybody says, a 140 lb dog in a full sprint towards you is a threat.

I never read the sprint part. that makes the decision a bit tougher.

[TexansFan]

I never read the sprint part. that makes the decision a bit tougher.

I used the word sprint, I think he said the dog was running. Who the hell knows Mo. Again, I've found over 16 years in the job that unless you're there, at the scene when it happens, it's easy to say what you would or wouldn't have done.

[mofome]

I used the word sprint, I think he said the dog was running. Who the hell knows Mo. Again, I've found over 16 years in the job that unless you're there, at the scene when it happens, it's easy to say what you would or wouldn't have done.

very true. i respect you a great deal. a cop with integrity is as under appreciated a person as there is. same goes with teachers.

[SBR Lou]

The sprinting provides even more justification for the shooting. I looked past that as well.

The animal lovers will disagree, but if a 140lb Doberman is sprinting toward you, I don't think it's reasonable to believe it wants to be pet. The guy and his animal were trespassing, the animal could have felt his owner was threatened in some way, you aren't going to look at the dog running toward you and assume it poses no threat.

I guarantee you if the land owner didn't react when he did, one of the cops would've blasted it. Of course they aren't going to say that after the fact, but if he was really in the wrong in any way he'd have been charged with something.

[TexansFan]

Let's also realize that the police could ask the DA to file a charge of some kind if they really felt the guy killed the dog for no reason at all. I'm surprised PETA isn't all over this.

[Willie Bee]

See, you're thinking about "cost" and I'm thinking about the fact that an innocent animal was murdered. This was not a wild dog.

They weren't wild dogs that my abuelito and I shot either. They were someone's pets. But again, until the law is changed that we can shoot the dog owners and not the dogs, that's life on a ranch (and if y'all will recall, I voted in favor of shooting the dumbass human and saving the dog from the get-go). I don't expect you to understand that until you've lived it, and I do respect your love for dogs and other animals. But that's just the way it is.

And one last time...not calling Thor a liar, but until I see some proof from a credible news source, or until I find the name of the town and verify this story through their sherriff's office, I'm going to continue to believe it's a load of bovine excrement.

[Willie Bee]

I'm surprised PETA isn't all over this.

That's because there's no story to jump on, TF.

[JBC77]

I'm not a violent person, but if the farmer did that to my dog, I would pay his a$$ back. Wait a few months, watch the guys routine for a while and surprise him late one night. Ski mask, gloves and a baseball ball. In my opinion that deserves two broken legs.

[mofome]

I'm not a violent person, but if the farmer did that to my dog, I would pay his a$$ back. Wait a few months, watch the guys routine for a while and surprise him late one night. Ski mask, gloves and a baseball ball. In my opinion that deserves two broken legs.

[Shark79]

I'm not a violent person, but if the farmer did that to my dog, I would pay his a$$ back. Wait a few months, watch the guys routine for a while and surprise him late one night. Ski mask, gloves and a baseball ball. In my opinion that deserves two broken legs.

Your being to kind

[TexansFan]

What if the guy, who probably knew he was breaking the law by trespassing in the first place, decided to obey the law and not go on the property with his dog? Should the owner of the dog bear any responsibility in this?

I'm not saying shooting the dog was right or wrong, I wasn't there and don't know all the facts. If someone is trespassing on my property at night and I feel they are a threat to my family they are going to get shot, end of story.

I know it wasn't at night, it was an example.

[Thor4140]

And one last time...not calling Thor a liar, but until I see some proof from a credible news source, or until I find the name of the town and verify this story through their sherriff's office, I'm going to continue to believe it's a load of bovine excrement.

I gave you the site owners link. Do you think that the 25 replies to his thread without one being negative might legitimize the guy?

Good thing i didn't post the sticky on that site because that story made my jaw drop and it is also an honest story. Two stories within a week that are basically horror stories on a site that rarely has them.

[bettilimbroke999]

I'm not a violent person, but if the farmer did that to my dog, I would pay his a$$ back. Wait a few months, watch the guys routine for a while and surprise him late one night. Ski mask, gloves and a baseball ball. In my opinion that deserves two broken legs.

Enjoy the next 10 years in prison, or you could've just bought a new doberman and this time not have it run up on landowner's armed with shotgun/rifle whose property you are trespassing on

[Shark79]

What if the guy, who probably knew he was breaking the law by trespassing in the first place, decided to obey the law and not go on the property with his dog? Should the owner of the dog bear any responsibility in this?

I'm not saying shooting the dog was right or wrong, I wasn't there and don't know all the facts. If someone is trespassing on my property at night and I feel they are a threat to my family they are going to get shot, end of story.

I know it wasn't at night, it was an example.

I understand you TF .. Beleive me I would do the same ... HOWEVER ...

1. This guy had 2 cops with him
2. Bright day light
3. This as to the story is told, is not the first time the guy goes to the pond
4. Was he ever noted by the farmer not to go there
5. Is the pond a normal area in which others go to fish?

Many questions to be answered ... and 1 life taken already

[TexansFan]

I hear ya shark, but again, what if he decided to follow the law and not knowingly trespass? If there are signs posted and he decided to trespass anyway then I place part of the blame on him.

[MrX]

The majority of the blame clearly falls on the dog-owner, IMO. If you choose to care for a dog capable of inflicting serious injury (a Doberman certainly qualifies) you have to take on certain responsibilities.

Pretty damn high on that list of responsibilities is to not allow your dog (without a leash to run up to complete strangers on their own property).

The dog-owner got his poor dog killed. The farmer helped a bit, for sure, but it was mostly the owners fault.

I've been approached by many a high-speed strange dog (try riding a bike through Iowa farmlands for a couple years). Often it's obvious they are friendly, and often it's obvious they aren't, but about half the time I had no freaking clue. I don't think they did either, they were deciding what to do with me on the way over. To suggest that it's black-and-white from body language is just not accurate.

[Willie Bee]

I gave you the site owners link. Do you think that the 25 replies to his thread without one being negative might legitimize the guy?

Like I said, Thor, I'm simply skeptical until I see the story on a legitimate newswire. Pokernut mentioned this, but if there's one thing that should come out of this story WHEN IT'S PROVEN TO BE TRUE, it's the cops' actions to allow the farmer to accompany them with a gun.

[SBR Lou]

Like I said, Thor, I'm simply skeptical until I see the story on a legitimate newswire. Pokernut mentioned this, but if there's one thing that should come out of this story WHEN IT'S PROVEN TO BE TRUE, it's the cops' actions to allow the farmer to accompany them with a gun.

There's probably 5 cops within that entire town, must've known the farmer really well.

[mofome]

Willie is busted. Its a true story and now willie has to go to work naked tomorrow. gdamint.

[capitalist pig]

Ive been trying to stay out of this till it was proved credible, but as a Dobe owner, there isnt any such thing as a 140lb Dobe. My male is 90lbs at best and the biggest one Ive ever seen is around a 100lbs, and ive been around them all my life.

Show dogs, especially a Dobe arent showed for size, they are showed for body points. Either way I sympathize with the loss of the dogs life if true. But its clearly the owners responsibility to contain his animals. I own a male Dobe and a male Wolf, and I keep them 100% away from people and places where they could disturb anyone.

later

[bettilimbroke999]

Everytime you post I think of that line in Austin Powers when they say the cold war is over and the Russian general walks in and he goes thank god now those capitalist pigs will finally pay for their crimes ay comrades

[capitalist pig]

Everytime you post I think of that line in Austin Powers when they say the cold war is over and the Russian general walks in and he goes thank god now those capitalist pigs will finally pay for their crimes ay comrades

Would that be the same Russian generals who sold off Russias military equipment after the cold war ended, and became rich capitalist pigs themselves in the process?

That is a pretty funny moment in the movie, by the way.

later

[Shark79]

Would that be the same Russian generals who sold off Russias military equipment after the cold war ended, and became rich capitalist pigs themselves in the process?

later

Right on the sack!!

[WileOut]

I gave you the site owners link. Do you think that the 25 replies to his thread without one being negative might legitimize the guy?

Good thing i didn't post the sticky on that site because that story made my jaw drop and it is also an honest story. Two stories within a week that are basically horror stories on a site that rarely has them.

The guy is an admin and possibly the owner of the site. At certain message boards the common posters tend to suck up to mods/admins/owners of the board.

Dont get me wrong I'm not taking sides here. I think is was wrong for the guy to trespass but the part about the shooting of the dog is not clear. It is strange to me that cops would let a guy walk over to the man with a shotgun. Cops dont do that. They would tell him to put the gun down and let them handle the situation. But then again it was his property and people are allowed to own guns. But in this possibly confrontational type situation it seems the cops would have told the man to leave the gun behind because they have their own weapons. Again I wasnt there so I have no opinion.

[bettilimbroke999]

Would that be the same Russian generals who sold off Russias military equipment after the cold war ended, and became rich capitalist pigs themselves in the process?

That is a pretty funny moment in the movie, by the way.

later

True, it didn't take em long to embrace capitalism lol

[old threads]

Does any one know if this story is for real or not cause it seems a little fishy to me??? 140 pound doberman?? Are you serious is that a Guiness record???

[swede96]

no, but you can come and visit him

This is the guy I want to adopt - but then I'd have 4!

Does he have blue eyes?! Mail him to me!!

Wait...I already have a Frankie...

[Sportsgirl]

Does he have blue eyes?! Mail him to me!!

Wait...I already have a Frankie...

He has one blue eye and I'm fostering him starting Friday, so he'll be at my house. Come and get him - he's young, you can rename him, plus you get to visit me and I don't have any scary masks in my spare room!

[swede96]

He has one blue eye and I'm fostering him starting Friday, so he'll be at my house. Come and get him - he's young, you can rename him, plus you get to visit me and I don't have any scary masks in my spare room!

What is he, Nanc? I can't wait to buy my house so I can get a puppy!!

I had a rough weekend. I thought about my Max a lot. Isn't this supposed to get easier? I mean, I don't get upset as much, but I miss him MORE every day instead of less.

[Sportsgirl]

What is he, Nanc? I can't wait to buy my house so I can get a puppy!!

I had a rough weekend. I thought about my Max a lot. Isn't this supposed to get easier? I mean, I don't get upset as much, but I miss him MORE every day instead of less.

He's a lab/husky mix.

It probably won't ever go away entirely, sweetie, but it will lessen and I think, when you are able, another dog will help. Dogs are about as cheerful and uplifting a being as you can hope to be around, so it's only natural to miss yours bunches and also natural that having another will easy the pain.

[swede96]

He's a lab/husky mix.

It probably won't ever go away entirely, sweetie, but it will lessen and I think, when you are able, another dog will help. Dogs are about as cheerful and uplifting a being as you can hope to be around, so it's only natural to miss yours bunches and also natural that having another will easy the pain.

Plus, now that I'm living with Marc, my cats are with my dad until we find a house. No more furry babies for me.

I don't know about a lab/husky mix. We need a dog that doesn't shed too much. Marc's stupid allergies.

[Bread]

classic.

[HAPPY BOY]

Swede arrghhhhh whats up pan!! dude youve been involved in some wars as of late. Dont worry man Happy's got ur back.

[Bread]

You know Bread's got luv fo Happy Boi.