Blackjack players that mouthoff to me

[robzilla]

How could you stand on 14, win, and the other players lose? Doesn't make any sense (dealer has to bust for you to win, would be a win for everyone). Clearly you're a terrible blackjack player that is just mad that everyone at the table gets pissed off b/c you not only lose your money by playing scared shitless of busting but theirs as well

Its cuz they are constantly busting themselves.

[dodif]

Its cuz they are constantly busting themselves.

dont try to explain it
just rookies here

[robzilla]

As they always say.... I would rather go down swinging then stand with the bat resting on my shoulder

This doesnt make any sense. Id rather watch pitches all day and get on base 50% than have in my mind that im swinging at every pitch no matter what.

[robzilla]

since when do dealers hit 17

Some do on soft 17

[robzilla]

2. Players that look out for their own interests instead of the interests of the other people at the table. If you want to be a douche, find a dealer with an empty table and play 1 on 1. If everyone at the table is smart enough to play basic blackjack strategy, I personally feel everyone at that table has a better shot at winning. Nothing worse than someone sitting at 3rd base, who has 14, and won't hit with the dealer showing a 7. Then he/she pulls a 3 to get 20 and everyone loses. Meanwhile, the first card next time around is a king.

Okay, next time I want to bet on the Bo Sox, will you please bet 100,000 on the yankees to move the line for me so I get a better odds on Boston. Deal?

[robzilla]

http://wizardofodds.com/blackjack

If you are not already employing any proven strategy, the above link will save you a lot of money and in many casinos will bring you within 0.5% of breaking even. If you can learn a very basic card counting system, depending on the house rules, you can expect to make a small profit in the long run.



PS Every casino I have been to (Atlantic City and various Canadian Casinos) allows a person to use a basic strategy card. In other words, cut the card out on the link and bring it with you. In my experience I have found 4 benefits to having the card there:
1) The players at the table perceive me as a beginner (which I am not) and don't give me much flak about "taking the dealers bust card" etc. because they know I am simply following the card. They will blame the card instead of me.
2) The dealers and pit bosses also "seem" to take me for a newbie. I count cards well but having to look at the card gives me an extra second or two to process my count better as well as making the correct play (i.e. no mistakes). A word of warning: the dealers/pit bosses might try and give you "their" strategy card. Thank them gratefully, keep it handy, and do NOT use it.
3) I make a bit of money (usually about 3-4 units an hour if the dealer is going through 100+ hands).
4) I am almost always the last person standing. I might start at a table with 100 units, betting 1-3 units a hand depending on the count and 9 times out of 10, after 8+ hours I have seen 50 people come and go and maybe there is one person who has lasted half as long as I have.

Good luck in Vegas Quebb.

If those cards worked, then they wouldnt sell em in the casino.

[bettilimbroke999]

Its cuz they are constantly busting themselves.

Oh I see, I thought u were playing 3rd base and not taking cards that made the dealers hand, you're actually playing so terribly that all the ppl at the table regardless of your position consider you a terrible player? Wow, don't see that too often. I feel sorry for the ppl at your table as you apparently believe your psychic abilities at card prediction give you an edge over basic strategy. You clearly don't understand odds but I assure you ppl smarter than you have calculated the probabilities of blackjack and unless you are counting cards there is no better way to play than basic strategy to give yourself the best chance of winning (granted the game without card counting is a -EV gamble so the more you play the more you lose, so the logical decision would be either to not play at all or to start counting cards, but obviously ppl are -EV gambling in Vegas for fun so the losses are entertainment and the wins are luck). You may be lucking out right now with your no bust strategy but in the long run you are costing yourself money.

[robzilla]

Oh I see, I thought u were playing 3rd base and not taking cards that made the dealers hand, you're actually playing so terribly that all the ppl at the table regardless of your position consider you a terrible player? Yipes, don't see that too often I feel sorry for the ppl at your table. You clearly don't understand odds but I assure you ppl smarter than you have calculated the probabilities of blackjack and unless you are counting cards there is no better way to play than basic strategy to give yourself the best chance of winning (granted the game without card counting is a -EV gamble so the more you play the more you lose, so the logical decision would be either to not play or to count cards). You may be lucking out for right now but in the long run you are costing yourself money.

okay Ill keep hitting on 14,15,16 when i dont see a +1 card on the table in a full game....seems retarded to me but ill do it and bust myself everytime, and then I'll be as smart as you down a million units...but hey we are smart right?

[bettilimbroke999]

okay Ill keep hitting on 14,15,16 when i dont see a +1 card on the table in a full game....seems retarded to me but ill do it and bust myself everytime, and then I'll be as smart as you down a million units...but hey we are smart right?

Better than being down 2 million units by watching the dealer flip over 17 or better 7/12 of the time when he's got a 10 showing and only winning on 8/13 of the 5/12 times he has the best possible total for you of 16. As long as you're costing yourself tons of cash and not at my table do whatever you want, but playing as terribly as you do by relying on your psychic prediction (luck) to overcome your terrible strategy you should probably play blackjack just you and the dealer, at most casinos there are tables where you can play by yourself.

[robzilla]

Better than being down 2 million units by watching the dealer flip over 17 or better 7/12 of the time when he's got a 10 showing and only winning on 8/13 of the 5/12 times he flips over the best possible card for you of a 6. As long as you're costing yourself tons of cash and not at my table do whatever you want, but playing as terribly as you do by relying on your psychic prediction (luck) to overcome your terrible strategy you should probably play blackjack just you and the dealer, at most casinos there are tables where you can play by yourself.

First off I do what I want. If i cost you money in the process of me winning then i dont care... id like to see someone do something about it.

Second... You are saying busting yourself 9 outta 10 times is better than watching the dealer flip over 17 or better 7/12 of the time when he's got a 10 showing and only winning on 8/13 of the 5/12 times he flips over the best possible card for you of a 6.

[bettilimbroke999]

I'm saying play by yourself and have fun, several of the Vegas casino managers have PM'd me asking if I would send robzilla over directly to play in their high limit room at a private table (any amount you want) and they will comp you suites/meals as long as you've got money left to play.

[robzilla]

I'm saying play by yourself and have fun, several of the Vegas casino managers have PM'd me asking if I would send robzilla over directly to play in their high limit room at a private table (any amount you want) and they will comp you suites/meals as long as you've got money left to play.

why would i do that? I enjoy being the only one who hasnt busted out and that still has a shot at beating the dealer.

[ChuteBoxe]

since when do dealers hit 17

Sorry man, I was in a rush to run out real quick, my friend was calling me bitching like a little girl that I was 30 min late as I was finishing up the last paragraph. Obviously, no dealers hit on hard 17. I meant 16 and 19. Thanks for pointing it out though, I just corrected it.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Wow. That's all I can say. It's very simple math, rob. You're going to lose even more in the long run than those people who bitch at you, unless you are employing some sort of card counting technique. It's really not rocket science...

[robzilla]

y'all gotta admit that me and dodif have a point.
If you are hitting and busting yourself, you might as well be playing BJ against yourself.
If you are not hitting when a 10 can bust you then atleast you are still in the game... and you cant win if you arent in the game.

[bettilimbroke999]

why would i do that? I enjoy being the only one who hasnt busted out and that still has a shot at beating the dealer.

This is one reason I will pitch in for nametags at the SBR bash, so that I'm not barrelled in from playing blackjack with rob at my table.

[ChuteBoxe]

Okay, next time I want to bet on the Bo Sox, will you please bet 100,000 on the yankees to move the line for me so I get a better odds on Boston. Deal?

Huh? I've never even bet anywhere close to that, and I have bet on the Red Sox at least 3 times this year.

[durito]

y'all gotta admit that me and dodif have a point.
If you are hitting and busting yourself, you might as well be playing BJ against yourself.
If you are not hitting when a 10 can bust you then atleast you are still in the game... and you cant win if you arent in the game.

the only point you guys have made demonstrates the reason casinos stay in business.

[robzilla]

Huh? I've never even bet anywhere close to that, and I have bet on the Red Sox at least 3 times this year.

My point was busting myself so someone else can win is dumb. what will i get from that? the players who win arent going to give me money for playing the way they want.

[tacomax]

why would i do that? I enjoy being the only one who hasnt busted out and that still has a shot at beating the dealer.

I love your free money theory. Can you prove mathematically why you have an edge?

[dodif]

y'all gotta admit that me and dodif have a point.
If you are hitting and busting yourself, you might as well be playing BJ against yourself.
If you are not hitting when a 10 can bust you then atleast you are still in the game... and you cant win if you arent in the game.

man ur right and i do it for a living
i play this way and people hate it

i also suggest playing by urself or with one other player who practices the same style

and always be the anchorman. If i control the last card to be dealt we're gonna win

[robzilla]

This is one reason I will pitch in for nametags at the SBR bash, so that I'm not barrelled in from playing blackjack with rob at my table.

The only thing imma play at the nugget is poker, and I hope you are playing. If your strategy is hit hit hit, are you gonna be chasing hands everytime playing Holdem? I hope you are.

[MonkeyF0cker]

y'all gotta admit that me and dodif have a point.
If you are hitting and busting yourself, you might as well be playing BJ against yourself.
If you are not hitting when a 10 can bust you then atleast you are still in the game... and you cant win if you arent in the game.

The dealer busts 21% of the time with a 10 showing. Meanwhile, you can make a hand roughly 31% of the time when you have a 16. Which odds are better again? I'm confused...

[tacomax]

man ur right and i do it for a living
i play this way and people hate it

i also suggest playing by urself or with one other player who practices the same style

and always be the anchorman. If i control the last card to be dealt we're gonna win

Can you prove mathematically why you have an edge?

[robzilla]

Can you prove mathematically why you have an edge?

I dont know the exact numbers, but all i know is that its been working for me, and obviously more when there is a higher + count and the dealer is showing a - (7 or lower).

[ChuteBoxe]

My point was busting myself so someone else can win is dumb. what will i get from that? the players who win arent going to give me money for playing the way they want.

Oh ok, now I get what you were saying. I wasn't trying to take a shot at you with what I typed, it's just a shitty situation when someone does what I said. If you're playing more than $200 a hand, and someone fucks you like that, especially your "third basemen", you're going to be at least a little pissed off. I've even been in your shoes before, where people go too far. I was at a $100 minimum table at the Borgata, and I was on an insane hot streak. I threw up $3000 on one hand (which is pretty huge for me in blackjack), and by looking at the way the cards were coming out, I knew that if I hit my 12 I was going to bust. I just had that guit feeling. Turned out I was right. The guy next to me though, had $500 on the line, and wound up getting 24. The guy caused a major scene, screaming at me, screaming at the dealer, screaming at the pitboss, I thought the old man was going to stroke out.

[MonkeyF0cker]

I dont know the exact numbers, but all i know is that its been working for me, and obviously more when there is a higher + count and the dealer is showing a - (7 or lower).

So essentially you are admitting that you have no clue really what you're doing... At least its clear now.

[robzilla]

Oh ok, now I get what you were saying. I wasn't trying to take a shot at you with what I typed, it's just a shitty situation when someone does what I said. If you're playing more than $200 a hand, and someone fucks you like that, especially your "third basemen", you're going to be at least a little pissed off. I've even been in your shoes before, where people go too far. I was at a $100 minimum table at the Borgata, and I was on an insane hot streak. I threw up $3000 on one hand (which is pretty huge for me in blackjack), and by looking at the way the cards were coming out, I knew that if I hit my 12 I was going to bust. I just had that guit feeling. Turned out I was right. The guy next to me though, had $500 on the line, and wound up getting 24. The guy caused a major scene, screaming at me, screaming at the dealer, screaming at the pitboss, I thought the old man was going to stroke out.

This is exactly what Im talking about. This is why I'm talking about this. I mean 90%+ of the time, im hitting 12 no matter what, but Im not hitting when I got 15 the dealer has a 6 showing and there are a ton of -2 cards in the deck.

The only guy that really stepped up to me was a 50 something guy who was drunk.

[MonkeyF0cker]

This is exactly what Im talking about. This is why I'm talking about this. I mean 90%+ of the time, im hitting 12 no matter what, but Im not hitting when I got 15 the dealer has a 6 showing and there are a ton of -2 cards in the deck.

Hmm. So this has evolved from a 10 showing, to an 8 showing, to a 6 showing... Yeah I'm sure someone at the table was real pissed you didn't hit your 15 against a 6. Uh huh.

[robzilla]

The guy who is always looking out his window in his videos seems like the type of dude who'd scrap with me if I messed his cards up for him.

[robzilla]

Hmm. So this has evolved from a 10 showing, to an 8 showing, to a 6 showing... Yeah I'm sure someone at the table was real pissed you didn't hit your 15 against a 6. Uh huh.

I never said this was about the dealer having 10 showing.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Or was it soft 15? LOL

[robzilla]

Or was it soft 15? LOL

And who are you again?

[MonkeyF0cker]

I never said this was about the dealer having 10 showing.

Dodif certainly did. So you are now implying that someone got pissed at you for not hitting a 15 against a 6? That's almost believable. That's sarcasm by the way...

[dodif]

also never play against female asian dealers and try to stay away from asian dealers in general. but especially the female ones.