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  • Rolo1984
    SBR High Roller
    • 02-16-11
    • 204

    #71
    Originally posted by Qtip
    14-15 vs teams with a winning record this year.
    5-11 in games decided by 5 or fewer points this year.
    0 (ZERO) Rings
    A Bronze medal - LOL?
    Did you not watch his win or go home playoff performance last year?

    ever heard about sample size? LOL
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    • sjm5122
      SBR MVP
      • 09-22-08
      • 4213

      #72
      Originally posted by Bradyd
      Really? Anybody who has been here knows that threads take different turns and you just have to go with the flow.. But I'm puzzled about how you forgot about a comment involving Kobe you posted earlier in this same thread:

      "Agree 100%. I love the people that still try to stick up for him, saying he is by far the best player in the league. How can that be so when he always seems to disappear against the big teams. Choking tonight, couldn't hit his FT's against the Celts."

      Remember? You were responding to a poster who said Kobe would get the job done much better... Going along with your trend of using recent events to prove that a player isn't clutch: that how about Kobe yesterday? Does than mean he is not clutch? What about during Game 7 of the NBA finals? Does that mean he is not clutch? It seems that you have different standards for different players. And that is the point I'm trying to make!
      Other than me saying that I agree with someone on their comment, everything I said was about Lebron. As for Kobe not being clutch yesterday, I didn't see that game, but the Lakers won. So whatever happened Kobe didn't lose the game for the Lakers. How about the Portland/Lakers game a few days ago. Kobe Dominated and brought the lakers back from the dead and then took over in OT. Kobe has proven he is a winner, Lebron hasn't. That's my opinion.
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      • wikkidinsane
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 05-30-10
        • 13800

        #73
        Originally posted by BernardMadoff
        Let's see how much you can hate on Lebron now without hating on everyone beneath him in this category, including Kobe.

        http://www.82games.com/gamewinningshots.htm


        Thanks for the stats man. i will spread the word. Freaking haters
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        • big0mar
          SBR MVP
          • 01-09-09
          • 3374

          #74
          Originally posted by sjm5122

          Other than me saying that I agree with someone on their comment, everything I said was about Lebron. As for Kobe not being clutch yesterday, I didn't see that game, but the Lakers won. So whatever happened Kobe didn't lose the game for the Lakers. How about the Portland/Lakers game a few days ago. Kobe Dominated and brought the lakers back from the dead and then took over in OT. Kobe has proven he is a winner, Lebron hasn't. That's my opinion.
          Last I checked, championships were a team accomplishment. We've all seen how successful Kobe was before the NBA gave him Gasol.
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          • Bradyd
            SBR MVP
            • 12-19-08
            • 1067

            #75
            Originally posted by Qtip
            14-15 vs teams with a winning record this year.
            5-11 in games decided by 5 or fewer points this year.
            0 (ZERO) Rings
            A Bronze medal - LOL?
            Did you not watch his win or go home playoff performance last year?
            Those 1st two sound more like a team problem. Nope ,no rings. However along with the bronze medal, he has a gold one. Why not mention that one? And I watched quite a few performances. However, what's your point? You seem to be jumping all over the place..
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            • wikkidinsane
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 05-30-10
              • 13800

              #76
              Originally posted by big0mar
              Last I checked, championships were a team accomplishment. We've all seen how successful Kobe was before the NBA gave him Gasol.

              You mean when he had Shaq for three of those championships?
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              • big0mar
                SBR MVP
                • 01-09-09
                • 3374

                #77
                Originally posted by wikkidinsane


                You mean when he had Shaq for three of those championships?
                I mean after Shaq left, and Kobe had nobody and started whining about being traded.
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                • wikkidinsane
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 05-30-10
                  • 13800

                  #78
                  Originally posted by big0mar
                  I mean after Shaq left, and Kobe had nobody and started whining about being traded.

                  my bad dude i misread your comment. I was so eager to cut your throat. I dont know how i missed the sarcasm in that 1. I agree with your first statement. He was going to leave the Lakers if they didn't give him Gasol
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                  • Bradyd
                    SBR MVP
                    • 12-19-08
                    • 1067

                    #79
                    Originally posted by sjm5122
                    Other than me saying that I agree with someone on their comment, everything I said was about Lebron. As for Kobe not being clutch yesterday, I didn't see that game, but the Lakers won. So whatever happened Kobe didn't lose the game for the Lakers. How about the Portland/Lakers game a few days ago. Kobe Dominated and brought the lakers back from the dead and then took over in OT. Kobe has proven he is a winner, Lebron hasn't. That's my opinion.
                    I hate to tell you this, but being a winner has nothing to do with being clutch. Teams win, players are clutch. All the clutch performances in the world don't mean a thing if a teammate commits a stupid foul, or turns the ball over, or is match by another clutch performance.... However you stated that Lebron always disappears in these big games, but I can give you many times that kobe has disappeared and on a much bigger scale. So why is it that you give Kobe a pass but not Lebron????
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                    • Gio21
                      SBR MVP
                      • 11-13-09
                      • 1594

                      #80
                      LeChoke dude isnt clutch he cant make a jumper to save his life
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                      • wikkidinsane
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 05-30-10
                        • 13800

                        #81
                        Originally posted by Gio21
                        LeChoke dude isnt clutch he cant make a jumper to save his life


                        Which players are the best in the closing moments with a game on the line? 82games.com seeks out the answers in this look at game winning shot stats.
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                        • NickS8753
                          SBR High Roller
                          • 02-25-10
                          • 106

                          #82
                          his stats and abilities seem to wilt under all the pressure. it is not just the pressure of the game, but his whole career crashing down on him when he tries to 'be clutch'. the thing is, you can't argue with his stats and abilities. obviously, jordan was the essence of 'clutch' and thats what made him legendary. and everyone here might hate, but when you look at a one-on-one matchup, lebron would still beat jordan.
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                          • RiverRaid
                            SBR MVP
                            • 08-19-07
                            • 2279

                            #83
                            He might go down as the most hyped overrated player in history, but then again they could win the title this year. Who knows?
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                            • Lamb Chops
                              Restricted User
                              • 02-28-11
                              • 11

                              #84
                              Originally posted by Bradyd

                              I hate to tell you this, but being a winner has nothing to do with being clutch. Teams win, players are clutch. All the clutch performances in the world don't mean a thing if a teammate commits a stupid foul, or turns the ball over, or is match by another clutch performance.... However you stated that Lebron always disappears in these big games, but I can give you many times that kobe has disappeared and on a much bigger scale. So why is it that you give Kobe a pass but not Lebron????
                              Because Bryant has 5 rings. Lebron has no midrange game. Its pretty hard to create any seperation when someone is just going to know you're gonna drive to try and draw a foul or get the layin. Kobe in that same spot makes the shot unblockable by pulling up for a 14 foot jumper
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                              • tdog152
                                SBR Hustler
                                • 12-15-10
                                • 88

                                #85
                                hes not clutch thats for sure!!!
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                                • Lamb Chops
                                  Restricted User
                                  • 02-28-11
                                  • 11

                                  #86
                                  Originally posted by Bradyd

                                  I hate to tell you this, but being a winner has nothing to do with being clutch. Teams win, players are clutch. All the clutch performances in the world don't mean a thing if a teammate commits a stupid foul, or turns the ball over, or is match by another clutch performance.... However you stated that Lebron always disappears in these big games, but I can give you many times that kobe has disappeared and on a much bigger scale. So why is it that you give Kobe a pass but not Lebron????
                                  Because Bryant has 5 rings. Lebron has no midrange game. Its pretty hard to create any seperation when someone is just going to know you're gonna drive to try and draw a foul or get the layin. Kobe in that same spot makes the shot unblockable by pulling up for a 14 foot jumper
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                                  • Git Lo
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 02-20-11
                                    • 3790

                                    #87
                                    Originally posted by wikkidinsane
                                    wow. owned. There needs to be more people like you who bring FACTS not opinions to the table. Thanks for the gem website too
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                                    • Rolo1984
                                      SBR High Roller
                                      • 02-16-11
                                      • 204

                                      #88
                                      Originally posted by tdog152
                                      hes not clutch thats for sure!!!
                                      because the stats show he is?
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                                      • wikkidinsane
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 05-30-10
                                        • 13800

                                        #89
                                        Originally posted by Git Lo
                                        wow. owned. There needs to be more people like you who bring FACTS not opinions to the table. Thanks for the gem website too

                                        Facts trumps opinions
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                                        • Wreckloose
                                          SBR Wise Guy
                                          • 06-05-10
                                          • 618

                                          #90
                                          Mike Bibby will now attempt game winning shots for the Heat.
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                                          • Git Lo
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 02-20-11
                                            • 3790

                                            #91
                                            Originally posted by wikkidinsane
                                            Facts trumps opinions
                                            everytime
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                                            • clippernation
                                              SBR Rookie
                                              • 01-31-11
                                              • 40

                                              #92
                                              Wade is better than LeBron but LeBron is certainly not a 2nd rate player....
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                                              • Bradyd
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 12-19-08
                                                • 1067

                                                #93
                                                Originally posted by Lamb Chops
                                                Because Bryant has 5 rings. Lebron has no midrange game. Its pretty hard to create any seperation when someone is just going to know you're gonna drive to try and draw a foul or get the layin. Kobe in that same spot makes the shot unblockable by pulling up for a 14 foot jumper
                                                huh?? Did you even read my post??
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                                                • Qtip
                                                  SBR Sharp
                                                  • 02-18-11
                                                  • 367

                                                  #94
                                                  LeBRONZE 0-3 in his last 3 game tying/winning attempts. Yeah, he's clutch.
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                                                  • baldur
                                                    SBR Sharp
                                                    • 02-07-11
                                                    • 261

                                                    #95
                                                    please close this thread. lebron isn't clutch, of course. this is sure.
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                                                    • madrabbit
                                                      Restricted User
                                                      • 12-07-10
                                                      • 1503

                                                      #96
                                                      Originally posted by Mikail
                                                      Once again he shows everyone why he just can't get it done when it counts. Even with an all star cast surrounding him he can't close it out. Guy is 2nd rate at best.
                                                      Good call mikail.



                                                      Rose, Kobe, Durant, Nowitski, Melo, Wade, Ginobili, Parker, Ray Allen>>>>>>>>>Le Bron. Those players will all win you a game in the dying seconds before this clown.
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                                                      • madrabbit
                                                        Restricted User
                                                        • 12-07-10
                                                        • 1503

                                                        #97
                                                        Originally posted by sjm5122
                                                        Other than me saying that I agree with someone on their comment, everything I said was about Lebron. As for Kobe not being clutch yesterday, I didn't see that game, but the Lakers won. So whatever happened Kobe didn't lose the game for the Lakers. How about the Portland/Lakers game a few days ago. Kobe Dominated and brought the lakers back from the dead and then took over in OT. Kobe has proven he is a winner, Lebron hasn't. That's my opinion.
                                                        exactly. For ppl that mention game 7 vs the c's well he still top scored and had the most rebounds. Dominated the boards so he still found a way to win. He was awesome in the series n got mvp. Kobe>>>>. Le Bron easily.



                                                        Kobe led the lakers the last 2 seasons to capture the championship whether he had gasol or not who cares every team does it with more than one '' star ''

                                                        Le Bron hasnt yet. The facts speak for themselves.
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                                                        • The_Kid
                                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                                          • 02-09-08
                                                          • 5049

                                                          #98
                                                          Originally posted by wikkidinsane
                                                          my bad dude i misread your comment. I was so eager to cut your throat. I dont know how i missed the sarcasm in that 1. I agree with your first statement. He was going to leave the Lakers if they didn't give him Gasol
                                                          You try winning with Kwame Brown as your starting center and Smush Parker as your starting point guard. It's amazing he led that team to the playoffs...
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                                                          • kobefanatic
                                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                                            • 01-19-10
                                                            • 9013

                                                            #99
                                                            Originally posted by The_Kid
                                                            You try winning with Kwame Brown as your starting center and Smush Parker as your starting point guard. It's amazing he led that team to the playoffs...
                                                            and luke walton as your 3rd option
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                                                            • FindTheLock
                                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                                              • 02-27-10
                                                              • 7194

                                                              #100
                                                              Kobe is shooting 25 percent for game winners! That is terrible! Kobe is NOT clutch! I would rather have a ton of NBA players taking the shot other than Kobe. He is 14 out of 56! That is awful!!
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                                                              • Qtip
                                                                SBR Sharp
                                                                • 02-18-11
                                                                • 367

                                                                #101
                                                                Originally posted by FindTheLock
                                                                Kobe is shooting 25 percent for game winners! That is terrible! Kobe is NOT clutch! I would rather have a ton of NBA players taking the shot other than Kobe. He is 14 out of 56! That is awful!!

                                                                Using outdated websites that use biased definitions (Multiple shots can be taken in 25s) to support their argument is sound evidence. And the world is flat.

                                                                Hell, Kobe had 6 game winners last year. Sorry, currently(This thread is current correct?) Kobe has over 20 game winners even by your faulty definition which counts misses for the same game he hit the winning shot.

                                                                Miami, Milwaukee, Dallas, Sacramento, Memphis, and Toronto—all last-second victims to Kobe Bryant, considered by some as the most clutch player of the last decade, and by others as not even worthy of being in the conversation...


                                                                If you don't think Kobe is clutch you're just a hater, anyone with 5+ rings is automatically clutch not really an argument worth arguing there.
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                                                                • The_Kid
                                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                  • 02-09-08
                                                                  • 5049

                                                                  #102
                                                                  Originally posted by FindTheLock
                                                                  Kobe is shooting 25 percent for game winners! That is terrible! Kobe is NOT clutch! I would rather have a ton of NBA players taking the shot other than Kobe. He is 14 out of 56! That is awful!!
                                                                  If Kobe isn't clutch, how come so many NBA general managers want him taking the last shot with the game on the line?

                                                                  And who would you rather have taking the last shot at the end of a ballgame? LeBron?
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                                                                  • freelee
                                                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                                                    • 02-02-10
                                                                    • 758

                                                                    #103
                                                                    Originally posted by Mikail
                                                                    I have to admit it. I really do enjoy watching him fail. I know it's wrong and I don't know why I loath the guy so much but I do. Put Kobe in that same situation and 9/10 times he gets the win. That's the difference between a winner and a LeChoke.

                                                                    statistically kobe is one of the least clutch guys in NBA history don't fal for that closer crap
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                                                                    • purecarnagge
                                                                      SBR MVP
                                                                      • 10-05-07
                                                                      • 4843

                                                                      #104
                                                                      Lebron isn't clutch at all...Lebron is a choke artist. This is nothing new. He has no heart...he's just a nike advertisment with no substance behind him
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                                                                      • wikkidinsane
                                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                                        • 05-30-10
                                                                        • 13800

                                                                        #105
                                                                        Lebron led a shitty cavs team to the finals and now he is ona teamw ith Wade and Bosh I wouldnt be suprised if they win it all this year. East finals bound for sure to square up against the Celtics
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