the entire team is garabge when it comes to the postseason. It must be something in the water there.
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I was using stats from BP which presumably have not been updated through tonight. For that I apologize.Actually, he is not batting over .300 this year. Far from it. Good try, though.
(.265 -- his OBP is barely at .300, my lying friend)
Link pls.Oh, and 7 for his last 44 with 1 HR and one RBI in the last three years in the playoffs ... true, true, that doesn't back anything up.
23 for 94 with 4 HR's and 9 RBI's are his total Yankee numbers ... pretty good stuff.Comment -
The only problem with your argument is that clutch hitting doesn't exist.Rather have Jeter, Matsui, Posada, Cano and a few others up in the clutch, as compared to ARod ...Comment -
You'll have to do the math, as I did, DJ, when it comes to ARod's Yankee stats in the playoffs ... it is easy to add up the RBI's and hits ... there are so few ...
I think his average might even be under .260 now ... and he now has more K's than games played this season ... go, ARod, go ... the all-time K record will be yours well before the HR record ever is ...Comment -
doesn't matter. A-Rod will be the first to break Bonds record.Comment -
So if he is 7 for 44 in the playoffs, you wouldn't say that is an insufficient sample size? Lollerskates.Comment -
ARod blew it -- if only he would have stayed on the Rangers or some other team that never made the playoffs, he wouldn't have to show the world every October how truly horrible he is when it really counts.
A perfect ARod season would have been last year IF the Yankees had not made the playoffs. This year, he might just get his wish.Comment -
23 for 94 over the course of 4 years is a very sufficient sample size when it comes to two things ...
- that is one hell of a lot of playoff AB's
- he seems to only truly choke when October rolls around (coincidence, I guess)
October comes every year for the Yankees and ARod disappears every year. Really strange for the best player in baseball. Really strange.
(oh, and 9 RBI's and 4 HR's over 94 AB's seems a bit low for the best ever)
(that's 54 RBI's and 24 HR's over 584 AB's -- funny thing is, he's getting worse every year, not better, so that might be a bit generous)Comment -
So I went and looked on Baseball Reference...23 for 94 over the course of 4 years is a very sufficient sample size when it comes to two things ...
- that is one hell of a lot of playoff AB's
- he seems to only truly choke when October rolls around (coincidence, I guess)
October comes every year for the Yankees and ARod disappears every year. Really strange for the best player in baseball. Really strange.
Career in the playoffs: .279 BA, .361 OBP, .483 SLG
Now those aren't stellar numbers but they are still good when you consider that in the playoffs you face better than average pitching and that it is a small sample size, it really doesn't indicate any choking.
Also why did you choose only the last 3 series? Just to further reduce an already small sample size?Comment -
Actually, I chose all of the years he has went to the playoffs as a Yankee. That's the 23 for 94. And the 7 for 44 in the last three years just shows how his deterioration is rapidly accelerating. He is not getting any better, just going from bad to horrible ...
The pinstripes don't just make him slimmer, they make him disappear.
1 RBI in 44 AB's for a #4 hitter ... that is truly amazing!
(you can keep saying 94 AB's is a very small sample size for October AB's in the playoffs -- to that, I say BS)Comment -
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There is no use "debating" someone who refuses to believe in basic statistical concepts. This is like high school level statistics we are talking about and you can't wrap your head around that.Actually, I chose all of the years he has went to the playoffs as a Yankee. That's the 23 for 94. And the 7 for 44 in the last three years just shows how his deterioration is rapidly accelerating. He is not getting any better, just going from bad to horrible ...
The pinstripes don't just make him slimmer, they make him disappear.
1 RBI in 44 AB's for a #4 hitter ... that is truly amazing!
(you can keep saying 94 AB's is a very small sample size for October AB's in the playoffs -- to that, I say BS)
Baba,
See my response before frothing at the mouth.Comment -
Yes, DJ is the type of guy who will wait another 7 years, watch ARod continue to play at a much lower level in October than any other month o the year and say "But, really, what does it all mean?"
If you have to ask, you obviously watch the games on your computer, never on television or at the stadium.
Impossible to debate somebody like that. Worse than never playing the game, they've never really watched the game either ...Comment -
Actually I'm the type of guy who watches a ton of baseball, but understands sample sizes.Yes, DJ is the type of guy who will wait another 7 years, watch ARod continue to play at a much lower level in October than any other month o the year and say "But, really, what does it all mean?"
If you have to ask, you obviously watch the games on your computer, never on television or at the stadium.
Impossible to debate somebody like that. Worse than never playing the game, they've never really watched the game either ...Comment -
A-Rod is the best in the game. Sure he's off to a slow start but is there really reson to panic 13 games into the season? If that's the case I guess David Ortiz will hit under .100 for the rest of the year
As far as A-Rod in the playoffs, yeah he's pretty much sucked in the post season although last year was somewhat respectable. Hopefully he can turn it around this year in the playoffs.Comment -
Keep hoping. Last year was respectable? 1 HR and 1 RBI was rather stunning production conmpared to the previous two years, but respectable?
I guess if your name is Mendoza, it would have been.
Best in the game? Keep hoping he learns how to hit in the playoffs. Soon it will be 2013 and you'll still be hoping. Gotcha.Comment -
The guy carried the team the whole year last year...is he supposed to pitch, field every position and make a play on every ball that's hit?
I love the Yanks, especially DJ but he didn't do shit last year in the playoffs either.
If A-Rod is not the best in the game then who is??????
The only other player in all of MLB who an argument can be made for is Phat Albert.
A-Rod can't win!!! he can hit .600 with 90 homers and 210 RBI's during the regular season but came up to the plate in the bottom of the 9th with the bases loaded in the bottom in the 9th in a 13-12 game where he hit 4 grand slams but be considered a choke artist if he grounds out to the 3rd becuase it's the playoffs!
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If he hit one grand slam in the playoffs over the last 3 years, that would quadruple his RBI production during all of those series. The Yankees didn't need one player to carry them into the playoffs the past 13 years. They need players who actually show up and play in the playoffs.
ARod has not been that man. He never will be that man. And for that, despite his fantasy numbers from April to September, he will be a failure as a Yankee. For the same reason Reggie Jackson was such a success as a Yankee.
October is what truly counts. Look at Jeter's numbers then in pinstripes. Look at ARod's in pinstripes. There you will see why one is truly more valuable than the other ...Comment -
Yep, Arod is so much more valuable than Jeter, it's not even funny.There you will see why one is truly more valuable than the other ...Comment -
Moneyline,
Your stats on Arod's batting average were wrong earlier in the thread. ESPN's stats were wrong and they have now fixed them, as has been confirmed by MLB.com and Yahoo.Comment -
ARod is more valuable in the playoffs in October than Jeter? That is truly laughable. And not backed up by any numbers known to mankind, of course ...Comment -
Mr. Super Duper Clutchomatic Jeter doesn't perform any better in the playoffs than during the regular season. Arod has run bad over a small sample size. This really isn't that difficult.ARod is more valuable in the playoffs in October than Jeter? That is truly laughable. And not backed up by any numbers known to mankind, of course ...
P.S. Feel free to retract calling me a liar earlier in the thread now that ESPN's stats are correct.Comment -
You said he was batting .300 after his 0-5 night when this thread was going on -- you were wrong at best, a liar at worst. Please post the link saying his BA was really .300, but all of the stats places were wrong ... c'mon, please post.
Compare Jeter's numbers in the playoffs with ARod's IN PINSTRIPES ... 23 for 94 with 4 HR and 9 RBI's (what a small sample) vs. Jeter's performance.
How many years will ARod have to choke before you can admit he does not hit in October? If he chokes another 50 AB's with the Yankees, is that enough? Or is it never enough?
(I'm betting that's your final answer)Comment -
Why do Arod's playoff numbers with other teams not count?
It is enough when it is a reasonable sample size.Comment -
"It is enough when it is a reasonable sample size."
Thank you, Buddha on the mountaintop. 4 years and 94 AB's is a pretty sizeable sample when it comes to the playoffs. Perhaps not to a man of your intellect and stature, but to most of us mere mortals -- we've figured out ARod can't hit in October wearing pinstripes ...
What makes it all the more egregious is he goes from MVP to worst hitter on the team when September moves to October every year.
Like clockwork.Comment -
Oh, and Don Juan, you ARE a liar and not a very good one at that.
What was his BA still on that 0-5 night we were talking? Guess they STILL haven't corrected the glitch!Comment -
Haha. If you think 94 ABs is a sizeable [sic] sample size, you have zero clue. Or is it because it's the playoffs that sample sizes no longer matter?Thank you, Buddha on the mountaintop. 4 years and 94 AB's is a pretty sizeable sample when it comes to the playoffs.Comment -
As I told you before, I was using Baseball Prospectus which does not update live. You should check it out; pretty nice site.Oh, and Don Juan, you ARE a liar and not a very good one at that.Comment -
1. You refuse to say why you only include his playoff numbers as a Yankee.Oh, and if you don't realize that hitting in October is different than September -- well, just ask ARod. He be glad to explain how he goes from a world beater to just plain beat.
Every October in Pinstripes.
Like clockwork.
2. Why is a sample size of 94 acceptable in October but not in any other month?Comment -
Simple.
Playoffs games as a Yankee dwarf playing for any other team. It is the primary reason the Yankees actually have a team, unlike 80% of the teams in the Major Leagues at the moment.
94 is an acceptable sample size because it is over a 4 year period that has only ONE thing in common. The playoffs. October. Going from an MVP to the worst hitter on the team.
I know, I know, it is just a coincidence. We need 50 more AB's over the next 2-3 years to prove ARod can't hit in October as a Yankee.
(I know that wouldn't be enough of a sample for you, but one can dream)Comment -
Please try this again when you can make it into a coherent thought.Playoffs games as a Yankee dwarf playing for any other team. It is the primary reason the Yankees actually have a team, unlike 80% of the teams in the Major Leagues at the moment.
What does a 4 year period have to do with anything? It's still a very small sample size that doesn't indicate choking one way or another. Do a binomial distribution based on his regular season stats to see what chance he has of being at or below a certain number over a sample size of 94.94 is an acceptable sample size because it is over a 4 year period that has only ONE thing in common. The playoffs. October. Going from an MVP to the worst hitter on the team.
You need a lot more than 50 more ABs. I would consider ~500 to be a bare minimum. Jeter has almost 500 and, unsurprisingly, his career playoff numbers are slightly worse than his career regular season numbers, although they are very close.I know, I know, it is just a coincidence. We need 50 more AB's over the next 2-3 years to prove ARod can't hit in October as a Yankee.Comment -
So, in DJ's world, you can never evaluate any player's playoff performance over his career since it is the rare player indeed that will get 500+ AB's in the playoffs ...
Let everyone know, Juan. Evaluating playoff performances is now officially banned due to small sample sizes.Comment -
It's not banned but rather silly and misguided.So, in DJ's world, you can never evaluate any player's playoff performance over his career since it is the rare player indeed that will get 500+ AB's in the playoffs ...
Let everyone know, Juan. Evaluating playoff performances is now officially banned due to small sample sizes.Comment
