Barack Obama 2012 Election odds @ 5dimes

[lyon804]

Nocoin, that guy was wrong but your are a liberal too?

[jw]

You make very good, valid points. Tell me this though... When was the last time THE GOVERNMENT fixed anything, make it better, more efficient, or cost less???? Answer me this and I might go along with your government healthcare pipe dream

But, as is the case with many liberals whenever facts have to be brought to the game everybody suddenly vanishes.

So because they don't automatically means they can't .. I see . why do we bother arguing over any political policy then?
Problem with your argument is - i'm not a liberal - I actually lean right more than left on most issues ... the problem with people that fit neatly into a right or left box - is that they are just part of the crowd that go along with what others tell them to believe. I have extremely liberal views on some things and very strong conservative views on others ... unfortunately there isn't a political party or individual out there to represent my views ... so I stick with annoying both Democrats and Republicans depending on the subject matter ..

[C-Gold]

this is the truth.

romney is likely the republican candidate and he has the personality of a foot. no way in hell is a mormon getting my vote.

This is how idiots like Obama get elected in the first place.
" I would never vote for a mormon"
" We need a black President"
"Hillary Clinton/Sarah Palin are women, can't elect one of them".
"I don't like the way he talks".

It turns into a popularity contest. Then you get somebody incredibly unqualified and inexperienced like Obama and there should be shock at the crappy results we get and the joke leadership. "Tell me who'se ass to kick".

Send Obama over to Egypt to be the President of those people.

[C-Gold]

Something else to consider.

Republicans usually vote, Democrats are more to sit on their can and not go to the polls. Why the heck do you think MTV always does that rock the vote crap? Why are college professors hammering away to the kids to go vote. They know that if they didn't advertise 24-7 less democrats would vote.

The thing Obama had helping him out was being 1/2 black got all of the blacks to go out to the polls to vote for the 1st black President. If Hilliary ran you wouldn't have 1/2 as many blacks turn out and vote.

It has truly become a popularity contest.

[King Mayan]

Obama > bush

[lyon804]

So because they don't automatically means they can't .. I see . why do we bother arguing over any political policy then?
Problem with your argument is - i'm not a liberal - I actually lean right more than left on most issues ... the problem with people that fit neatly into a right or left box - is that they are just part of the crowd that go along with what others tell them to believe. I have extremely liberal views on some things and very strong conservative views on others ... unfortunately there isn't a political party or individual out there to represent my views ... so I stick with annoying both Democrats and Republicans depending on the subject matter ..

Liberals tend to believe 'THE GOVERNMENT' will/can fix things for them. Conservatives like myself believe "less is more" clearly when we are talking about the government. Not all conservatives are right wing nut jobs. I for one do not see any conservative canidates worth voting for. At the same time I don't want anymore Obama either.

[King Mayan]

So all the retards must of Voted in 2000-2008

[jw]

Then you get somebody incredibly unqualified and inexperienced like Obama and there should be shock at the crappy results we get and the joke leadership. "Tell me who'se ass to kick".

Send Obama over to Egypt to be the President of those people.

This is the problem Republicans are going to have in the next election- they really do think that Obama has been terrible .. fact is - you are in the minority - the majority of the population think he has done just fine :0)

You are going to be so shocked come the next election wjen he gets back in - its going to be great looking at all the little Republican faces wondering what the heck just hit them.

[jw]

Conservatives like myself believe "less is more" clearly when we are talking about the government. Not all conservatives are right wing nut jobs. I for one do not see any conservative canidates worth voting for. At the same time I don't want anymore Obama either.

You are not actually voting for less when you vote conservative - you are voting for people who tell you what you want to hear and then carry on screwing you as normal .. at least the Dems tell you the truth and then continue to screw you.

[lyon804]

So because they don't automatically means they can't .. I see . why do we bother arguing over any political policy then?
Problem with your argument is - i'm not a liberal - I actually lean right more than left on most issues ... the problem with people that fit neatly into a right or left box - is that they are just part of the crowd that go along with what others tell them to believe. I have extremely liberal views on some things and very strong conservative views on others ... unfortunately there isn't a political party or individual out there to represent my views ... so I stick with annoying both Democrats and Republicans depending on the subject matter ..

This is the problem Republicans are going to have in the next election- they really do think that Obama has been terrible .. fact is - you are in the minority - the majority of the population think he has done just fine :0)

You are going to be so shocked come the next election wjen he gets back in - its going to be great looking at all the little Republican faces wondering what the heck just hit them.

Says the guy above that says I'm not liberal

[jw]

Says the guy above that says I'm not liberal

Tis true ... get me talking on immigration and gun control and see how far i lean the other way
Nice when they can't put you in a box and stick a label on you ... its called being an individual - try it sometime.
I just happen to hate the conservatives much more than I hate the Democrats .. I can live with most of things I disagree with the Democrats on (even though I disagree with them on more things than Republicans) However the things I disagree with the Republicans on are deal-breakers for me.

[rsnnh12]

Wrong on a lot of counts ...

The quality of care far exceeds that in the US for many, many branches of medicine. Unless you have experienced other countries healthcare, you have no way of comparing the two apart from heresay.

Also wrong on the "we develop almost all the newest technologies" quote .. its a blanket statement and cannot be proven. I would argue that .. countries with national health services make much more progress in research on existing and high profile illnesses as it is in their best interest to do so .. they find a cure, they get to use it for free ... What the US pharmaceutical companies are very good at - it creating illnesses and then providing a cure ...

"Restless Leg Syndrome" .. really ?

The drugs that we pay hundreds of dollars per months supply for are given to countries with National Heathcare for fractions of pennies on the dollar ... why do they charge so much over here - because they can .. simple as that.

Of course insurance companies supported the bill .. but they ensured it was watered down enough to benefit them enough to make their millions of dollars of investment in buying Republican support worthwhile.

Where are you hearing this nonsense? US has the best quality of care, bar none. Famous/rich Canadians come to the US for major surgeries... why would they do that, if Canada's system is so much better?

The US gives out the research for nothing. They don't charge other countries/companies/anyone for their research. That's why they get grants, to fund their research. That's why its cheaper for other countries... because they're not ponying up the money for many of these developments.

And generics are another huge problem. How can a pharm company make money, if they invest hundreds of millions on a pill, only to have a generic take their business after the alotted time? They have to charge a lot while they have the market cornered, or they will lose everything. Who will develop medicine, if there is no more profit to be made?

[lyon804]

Tis true ... get me talking on immigration and gun control and see how far i lean the other way
Nice when they can't put you in a box and stick a label on you ... its called being an individual - try it sometime.
I just happen to hate the conservatives much more than I hate the Democrats .. I can live with most of things I disagree with the Democrats on (even though I disagree with them on more things than Republicans) However the things I disagree with the Republicans on are deal-breakers for me.

It's cool bro. IDC you are a liberal. That is your business. Just was fukking with you because it was easy. Nobody can say or think some of what is on your mind and think they are conservative. #1 enforcing immigration laws is just that.. "A LAW" and has nothing to so with being a conservative or liberal. #2 right to bear arms is another law/constitutional right....

So in the end what we have found is you are a "typical" liberal rather than the "atypical" one you try to pass off yourself as being. Most liberal have some laws/rules they believe in but feel it's there right to exclude the ones they see in there best interest.

[C-Gold]

This is the problem Republicans are going to have in the next election- they really do think that Obama has been terrible .. fact is - you are in the minority - the majority of the population think he has done just fine :0)

You are going to be so shocked come the next election wjen he gets back in - its going to be great looking at all the little Republican faces wondering what the heck just hit them.

All of the polls I've seen had Obama below a 50% approval rating
More important he had a below 50% approval rating for independent voters.
His signature Obamacare is unpopular, below a 50% approval rating
Real unemployment which includes underemployment U6 is about 17%
Obama has been caught lying, and didn't focus on the economy, there's a lot of ammo against him


Die hard democrats vote democrat
Die hard republicans vote Republican.
What will the independents do???

In the mid term elections Independents voted Republican, Democrat turnout numbers were down, and the Democrats got licked. You had a Republican elected senator from Tax-a-chusets for cristsake. The country was angry and democrats got smashed, how's that for a pulse check?

If you ever paid attention to detail, you'd notice the fact that Obama has an approval rating in the 40's% isn't bad enough. The approval rating is for EVERYONE but as I said Democrats are known to sit on their ass on voting day.

The REAL polls you should watch is the opinion of LIKELY VOTERS. You know, who cares if Bubba Gump likes Obama if Bubba Gump is just going to sit on his ass on voting day. The REAL opinions that matter are people that actually vote.

The highest correlation between "if" somebody will vote is "if" the person goes to church. Republicans have a much higher propensity to go vote. So Obama's 40% approval rating is a problem, and it could be in the 30's for likely voters.

Also, Republicans tend to do better the closer you get to polls. Of course it will matter who Republicans run but Obama is a very beat-able candidate. He's lied to voters, the economy is in shambles, and his party just got whooped in recent elections.

[pavyracer]

Guys I have some breaking news. After reading this thread the linesmakers at 5Dimes are now offering:

Obama +200
The Field -250

Keep up the good discussion.

[Fang-Banger]

Guys I have some breaking news. After reading this thread the linesmakers at 5Dimes are now offering:

Obama +200
The Field -250

Keep up the good discussion.

I didn't think this thread I started would become such a heated debate!!!

[jw]

Where are you hearing this nonsense? US has the best quality of care, bar none. Famous/rich Canadians come to the US for major surgeries... why would they do that, if Canada's system is so much better?

This is the same crap that Republicans spout over and over .. ask any of those Canadians which system they would rather have and 99.9% would stick with government run healthcare. Why when you make crap up is it truth - but when i make crap up is it nonsense .. see how easy it is to spout drivel without backing up anything you say with facts.

Personally I have lived in the UK, Canada, France and the Us and I would rather have any kind of health system but the one we have here in America right now.

The US gives out the research for nothing. They don't charge other countries/companies/anyone for their research. That's why they get grants, to fund their research. That's why its cheaper for other countries... because they're not ponying up the money for many of these developments.

Countries with national health services give back much more to the US than the US gives to those countries trust me .. again spouting drivel with nothing to back up your statements does not mean you are right - it means you are making it up as you go along.

And generics are another huge problem. How can a pharm company make money, if they invest hundreds of millions on a pill, only to have a generic take their business after the alotted time? They have to charge a lot while they have the market cornered, or they will lose everything. Who will develop medicine, if there is no more profit to be made?

Do you know how much money is actually spent by the Pharm companies on actual research and development as a percentage of the final product price .. the vast majority of the money spent is on advertising ... who will develop medicine .. simple - government employed researchers and healthcare workers ... if you read any kind of health news - you will see daily reports of "researchers in the Uk have found ... ", "researchers in France have found ... " just because the pharm companies no longer make as much profit as they once did does not mean that progress stands still .. I would guess that more than 50% of medical advances have nothing at all to do with the mighty great US of A ... and the all seeing all knowing Pharm companies .... do you really have the slightest bit of reasoning to backup any of your arguments or do you really just make this up as you go along because it sounds good and supports your argument ...

[C-Gold]

I think we all fell for one big assumption. That the DNC is going to actually nominate Obama as the Democratic candidate. I know the odds ARE in favor for Obama to get the nod, but there were grumblings a few weeks ago about the Democrats running Hillary Clinton or somebody else against Republicans if they thought she had a better chance to win.

The odds are in favor of Obama running again, but I wonder what happens to your wager if the economy stays in the toilet bowl, or Obama has a scandal and it's Hillary vs Romney or something like that?

[jw]

All of the polls I've seen had Obama below a 50% approval rating
More important he had a below 50% approval rating for independent voters.
His signature Obamacare is unpopular, below a 50% approval rating

You are only looking at the polls that THEY want you to look at then - go to the main sites .. read more than fox news polls - you are wrong.



Another delusional only see what you want to hear Republican post.



The majority of Americans actually said the healthcare law did not go far enough ... Obamas approval rating is now above 50% (yes even for independents) go ahead .. go look up the poll numbers .. you might be surprised if you actually keep current with policial affairs ..

[C-Gold]

Most Americans don't read the Huffington Post and Moveon.org propoganda. Yes, even most Democrats don't read that crap. Sorry Commie.

[BstHcpr]

Where are you hearing this nonsense? US has the best quality of care, bar none. Famous/rich Canadians come to the US for major surgeries... why would they do that, if Canada's system is so much better?

Same reason why the working class struggle to afford health care.

[Albert Pujols]

The probability of Obama losing the election is very slim after the great job he did so far. Only way to lose is if the unemployment rate hits 20% and the Dow dips to 6,000. People will not vote for the GOP puppet after what Obama has on his resume now.

Thanks for the laughs.

[King Mayan]

Repubs= same talking points....

[THEGREAT30]

You want someone with this hair to be your president?

No, Pavy, I can not see voting for a republican anytime soon. When I was about to graduate college Bush got in and everything that meant something to a broke college student about to go into the real world got worse because of Bush and his still unexplained wars. I still can not see how anyone other than the "Old Money" part of society got anything other than phucked over during Bush's reign.

[Hotdiggity11]

sorry to say but your uncle is probably gone

every major republican candidate, sans palin (and even she is not that markedly far behind obama), holds an sizable advantage in surveys over obama at this time. usually at this point the incumbent should be enjoying an advantage over any potential opponent, this is a very rare phenomenon in the election cycle.

the repubs are going to hammer away at his idealized programs that can never came to fruition, his inability to conduct "politics" in dc, and his terrible, terrible disconnect with the common american.

Obama vs Gingrich:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_gingrich_vs_obama-1453.html

Obama vs Romney

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

Obama vs. Palin

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_palin_vs_obama-1169.html

Obama vs Huckabee

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_huckabee_vs_obama-1170.html

And you can't whine about selective polling because RCP collects the polls of numerous polling organizations and news media surveys and combines them together.

What I'm trying to say is, stop making shit up.

[Hotdiggity11]

this is the truth.

romney is likely the republican candidate and he has the personality of a foot. no way in hell is a mormon getting my vote.

If the GOP wanted the least flawed candidate, they would go with Huckabee. Has no personality at all but isn't really all that controversial.

[jw]

If the GOP wanted the least flawed candidate, they would go with Huckabee. Has no personality at all but isn't really all that controversial.

Huckabee was the one who most impressed me last time round .. shame about the whole "Lets amend the U.S. Constitution to transform it into a religious document designed to reflect "God's standards."" thing ... If he wasn't so extreme i'd probably consider him.

[BettingWizard]

Anybody that bets against Obama is a fuking moron

free money

[Thor4140]

sadly id say Obama is the winner. I dont have any faith in the collective IQ of this country. They are tricked too easily.


Uneducated black people will vote for him again just because they are told he is "black." (rob parker)

All the young people will vote for him again because they think they are causing "change." (the state of colorado)

democrats will vote for Obama just because whoever the Republican nominee is he/she will be compared to Bush. (Pavy and Emily)

this from a two time Bush voter

[Fang-Banger]

Anybody that bets against Obama is a fuking moron

free money

[Fang-Banger]

-155 now @ 5dimes

[crustyme]

obama should be -5000

[falconticket]

Repubs= same talking points....

Important issues don't change daily. Democrat talking points change constantly.

[andywend]

This is the problem Republicans are going to have in the next election- they really do think that Obama has been terrible .. fact is - you are in the minority - the majority of the population think he has done just fine :0)

JW, if the majority of the population thinks that Obama has done just fine, please explain why the following happened:

The 2008 presidential election resulted in an absolute democratic party landslide with democrats increasing their majorities in both houses of congress and Obama winning the presidency by quite a substantial margin.

Fast forward 2 years later to the 2010 mid-term election with the democrats absolutely getting SMASHED in every possible scenario you can think of.

If the majority of the population (voters) believe Obama has done so great, then why did the democrats go from being better than sliced bread in 2008 to absolute poison in 2010?

Clearly, the majority of the population believes that Obama has NOT done a good job and they took out their displeasure at the voting booth in a big way.

[jw]

Clearly, the majority of the population believes that Obama has NOT done a good job and they took out their displeasure at the voting booth in a big way.

Wait till the next election - then we will have real numbers - and the real results of how the public thinks he is doing v's how they think the closest contender would do in his position - until then - I'm not even getting into it with you - we are all aware of your position.

Current polls suggest that more people approve than dissaprove .. that is a majority - spin it however you like - you are wrong .. simple as that.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html