The Soccer Volume At Betfair Is Stunning

**acarmelo1** · 12-11-10, 08:32 PM

Remember that only 15% of the world bets and like NFL.
The rest of the world bets and watch soccer

**BChrisB** · 12-12-10, 02:12 AM

This is why matchbook needs an affiliate program so the word can out to US Players. I'm not saying that matchbook will be as big as Betfair but it will be a lot bigger than it is now. Most US bettors don't know who matchbook is.

**lukahh** · 12-12-10, 02:15 AM

Originally posted by Vegas_bond

Yes, the volume is stunning. But it only happens at Betfair. And for one reason: at Betfair, which is an exchange, you can bet as much money as you wish, as many times as you want. There are no limits.
Art Vandeleigh is right. Every Dollar, or Euro, is counted twice. So, you should split that stunning number.
And how big would be the volume on the NFL at Betfair if U. S. punters were ALLOWED?

it is stunning indeed. i wonder how much action euro bookies get.

some points worth noting: they count volume twice, and there may be people closing their psoitions with that volume getting added again. and there are euro bookings hedging.
nevertheless, it's still pretty good.

**Hareeba!** · 12-12-10, 02:39 AM

Originally posted by lukahh

it is stunning indeed. i wonder how much action euro bookies get.

some points worth noting: they count volume twice, and there may be people closing their psoitions with that volume getting added again. and there are euro bookings hedging.
nevertheless, it's still pretty good.

some massive numbers on cricket too

**Monte** · 12-12-10, 03:51 AM

Are you nuts, 3 million impressive?
How do you know how much action the big books take on a NFL game?
If someone told me Pinny or theGreek took 3m in action on Jets vs. NE, i'd have thought "what, that isn't much"...

**KGambler** · 12-12-10, 05:55 AM

Originally posted by acarmelo1

Remember that only 15% of the world bets and like NFL.
The rest of the world bets and watch soccer

Yeah, but the size of the US economy is close to the size of the combined economies of the EU. It is larger than the economies of China and India combined (about twice the size actually).

Does the Premier League have anyone with a 10 year, $275M guaranteed contract? No.

People like to exagerrate the importance of soccer as compared to football, baseball, and basketball. Those three sports are also international sports.

If it was legal to bet online in the US, there was an exchange like BetFair, and they were allowed to advertise, then you would see much bigger numbers being bet on NFL games than on any normal soccer game. $3M is chump change.

Billions of destitute people in Asia and Africa may love soccer, but they're not going to be betting on it.

**althelegend** · 12-12-10, 06:39 AM

Wait til you see the superbowl betting on betfair - now that is unreal, considering it's a 'foreign' sport.

**Ruifgalmeida** · 12-12-10, 06:45 AM

dont think that 3milion is much, pinnacle takes much more action on any televised game

**Jim XXX** · 12-12-10, 07:56 AM

Football! Football! Great God Almitey, don't insolt the grate game of football, morans.
1-0! 0-0!
That aint football no how no way.

Take a look at these numbers:
48-37
35-45
28-28
Those are football numbers. Those are the kind of numbers that made America great!
Not your 1-0 god grafe. I'm gettin sick thinkig about it.

**BChrisB** · 12-12-10, 08:07 AM

To all my fellow Americans, "you guys need to quit smoking crack, Soccer is the world's number one sport and get over it." Why can't you guys get it? Jesus, more action gets taken on Soccer and you feel the need to defend American Football like your feelings are hurt or something.

**jjgold** · 12-12-10, 08:21 AM

Originally posted by Ruifgalmeida

dont think that 3milion is much, pinnacle takes much more action on any televised game

No way, impossible

**jjgold** · 12-12-10, 08:22 AM

If USA players were allowed volume would not go up even 1%

USA does not support exchange/live betting, never have and never will

**CHUBNUT** · 12-12-10, 09:19 AM

95% of the money on a game is traded, I personally lay out 8-10k on the premiership at the start of every week. By game times I've traded probably 3x that and will end up not having a cent on the results, I would be the most common type of bettor on betfair.
So you see, by the time all the trading is taken out of the equation very little of that cash stays in the hands of betfair. Thats why they are always advertising and Matchbox is under pressure.

**Tommy_de1st** · 12-12-10, 09:36 AM

Originally posted by CHUBNUT

95% of the money on a game is traded, I personally lay out 8-10k on the premiership at the start of every week. By game times I've traded probably 3x that and will end up not having a cent on the results, I would be the most common type of bettor on betfair. So you see, by the time all the trading is taken out of the equation very little of that cash stays in the hands of betfair. Thats why they are always advertising and Matchbox is under pressure.

I know what you do chub but what would you do if the odds went up

**jjgold** · 12-12-10, 09:59 AM

Originally posted by CHUBNUT

95% of the money on a game is traded, I personally lay out 8-10k on the premiership at the start of every week. By game times I've traded probably 3x that and will end up not having a cent on the results, I would be the most common type of bettor on betfair.
So you see, by the time all the trading is taken out of the equation very little of that cash stays in the hands of betfair. Thats why they are always advertising and Matchbox is under pressure.

I think some bettors though hold positions until result is final

Horses are insane also at betfair

Did not know you need more verification to bet Aussie Sports

**Tommy_de1st** · 12-12-10, 10:24 AM

Originally posted by jjgold

I think some bettors though hold positions until result is final Horses are insane also at betfair Did not know you need more verification to bet Aussie Sports

i know that. How come you interested in Betfair, JJ?

**jjgold** · 12-12-10, 10:36 AM

Tommy let me handle that, I might hire a beard out of UK to work for me

**vitalyo** · 12-12-10, 11:28 AM

Originally posted by Hareeba!

well maybe, but Betfair which takes more online than any other bookie, lists it under "soccer"

If you visit betfair from North America(north am IP) it will list "Football" under "Soccer"
That way dumbs and dumbers can find the game

NFL is listed under NFL football .

For the rest of the world Football is listed under Football

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**Monte** · 12-12-10, 11:37 AM

JJ wake up, Pinny is still the centre of the booking world, i know ppl who moved home to keep betting there and i don't get out much

**thespeculator** · 12-12-10, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by Jimmy0607

Gold, US population 400 million, rest of the world 6 billion take a wild guess and tell me what the rest opt the world likes to bet on

betfair is amazing in terms of volume, but the u.s 400 million are still richer than china japan india u.k combined, and that is about 2. 5 billion, betfair would love to have american action , although they are doing quite well without it

**brooks85** · 12-12-10, 11:55 AM

is there a website that keeps track of betting % for futbol?

**durito** · 12-12-10, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by jjgold

No way, impossible

How much do you think is bet on NFL games? One's with 50-100k limits

**Jimmy0607** · 12-12-10, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by thespeculator

betfair is amazing in terms of volume, but the u.s 400 million are still richer than china japan india u.k combined, and that is about 2. 5 billion, betfair would love to have american action , although they are doing quite well without it

These other countries they love betting they lay out millions everyday the U.S is the Orioles and these countries are the Yankees when it comes to betting , if the US was important they would find a way to take our action

**Sawyer** · 12-12-10, 12:47 PM

Soccer is the most popular sport on earth.

**Monte** · 12-12-10, 01:01 PM

Originally posted by Sawyer

Soccer is the most popular sport on earth.

which is amazing, at least half of the games are like watching paint dry.

**jjgold** · 12-12-10, 01:03 PM

Originally posted by durito

How much do you think is bet on NFL games? One's with 50-100k limits

Durito NFL is a dot on a fukkin betfair webpage

You have ZERO clue

Very very few are even betting 10k on an nfl game

Soccer 10k bets are like $10 bets

**Karayilan9** · 12-12-10, 01:21 PM

JJGold
Tommy let me handle that, I might hire a beard out of UK to work for me

Betfair and other big EU books are the place to be right now, unfortunately some countries don't let their citizens get a piece of the pie.

I take wagers for a few people in this situation

**Tommy_de1st** · 12-12-10, 01:26 PM

Haha

**KGambler** · 12-12-10, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by BChrisB

To all my fellow Americans, "you guys need to quit smoking crack, Soccer is the world's number one sport and get over it." Why can't you guys get it? Jesus, more action gets taken on Soccer and you feel the need to defend American Football like your feelings are hurt or something.

We are not talking about which is the world's most popular team sport. We all know that is soccer. We are talking about the amount of money bet on it. We are talking about money, not the amount of people who like the game. Why is it so hard to understand? If soccer is still king in this regard, the "U.S. sports" are not that far behind.

**Naz18** · 12-12-10, 02:19 PM

Originally posted by Jim XXX

Football! Football! Great God Almitey, don't insolt the grate game of football, morans. 1-0! 0-0! That aint football no how no way. Take a look at these numbers: 48-37 35-45 28-28 Those are football numbers. Those are the kind of numbers that made America great! Not your 1-0 god grafe. I'm gettin sick thinkig about it.

Every goal scored in soccer give them 7 points, every time they almost score ex. hit the post give them 3 points. Then you will get scores like American Football.

**Gio21** · 12-12-10, 02:25 PM

i just want my free pizza for today!!!

**Hareeba!** · 12-12-10, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by Jim XXX

Football! Football! Great God Almitey, don't insolt the grate game of football, morans.
1-0! 0-0!
That aint football no how no way.

Take a look at these numbers:
48-37
35-45
28-28
Those are football numbers. Those are the kind of numbers that made America great!
Not your 1-0 god grafe. I'm gettin sick thinkig about it.

that's about the dumbest thing I've ever seen

Aussie football average scores are something like 110-85 so obviously it is the best code on the planet!
In truth it is but what an absurd way of coming to that conclusion.

**Hareeba!** · 12-12-10, 02:37 PM

Originally posted by Monte

which is amazing, at least half of the games are like watching paint dry.

at least in soccer you get 90 minutes of almost continuous action

I'd much rather watch that than the thing the Yanks call "football" (in truth a screwed up version of rugby) where there's rarely any contact between ball and foot or even 10 sec of continuous action and 2 minutes of play can take half an hour to complete

**jjgold** · 12-12-10, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by Karayilan9

Betfair and other big EU books are the place to be right now, unfortunately some countries don't let their citizens get a piece of the pie.

I take wagers for a few people in this situation

Post of week

**kkkkk** · 12-12-10, 02:53 PM

betfair used to count volume on bets twice - once as laid and once as backed. so real volume is 1/2 of what you see. beside that there are a lot of arbers on soccer/european football. so many at least 30% of rest volume is some kind of not real. not to mention that on other markets like tennis and basketball there are much more arbers or traders. some kind of piece of history is the fact that on the final match of Roland Garos in 2009 between Federer and Nadal with volume of 52 mln(!) pound, betfair won on charges for this game around 55 k. so if we accept that normal charge is 5% that means that real volume on this market was 1mln and the rest of 51mln were just trades/bets that were covered. And that was one of the reasons for the Premium charge back in 2008.