Censored Betfair robbery video (at SBR.tv)

[Monte]

but overall they are most definitely a MUST for any serious punter.

Yea tilll you get hit by their appropiate actions to recover funds from you
Every sportsbook would be out of business by now or brandmarked like betus or sbg if they'd do that, just the holy cow betfair is untouchable. Pass, no thanks, ill stay with MB Pinny etc.

[Hareeba!]

Yea tilll you get hit by their appropiate actions to recover funds from you
Every sportsbook would be out of business by now or brandmarked like betus or sbg if they'd do that, just the holy cow betfair is untouchable. Pass, no thanks, ill stay with MB Pinny etc.

pour all the crap you want on them for the casino fiasco but that's really got nothing to do with what sportsbook members have experienced for a decade now.

passing on BF means you are passing up lots of great opportunities for no logical reason

[Monte]

i bet US sports only, doubtful that iam missing something without betfair but keep trying.

[Hareeba!]

i bet US sports only, doubtful that iam missing something without betfair but keep trying.

well if you bet only US sports that's fair enough but most Betfair customers have little interest in US sports and for them BF is clearly the best betting agency on this planet .. my comments weren't limited to you

[king]

Bet Fair probably sign up for hundreds of youtube accounts and flagged the video.

[vitalyo]

for horses/tennis and soccer betfair is a must no matter who they scam

IT IS A MUST

Bad scam but what are you going to do

Of course, there will always be a few chickens that enjoy the warmth and free food, and believe – unwisely – that the house is so big and the foxes so few that their chances are pretty good.

PS .Fat boy JJgold is not a chicken !
pigeon

GL.

[Santo]

I very much disagree with your last statement. Reasonable management at CRIS or any sportsbook & casino would have listened to our presentation of the facts and made the players whole. In fact, similar events have happened at CRIS and not too long ago at 5Dimes. These places are run by humans and they make mistakes. The mark of honorable businesses is how they deal with those affected by their errors. In this case it would have been very simple to honor their deal and change it to make better business sense.

CRIS care about SBR, Betfair do not. Different regulatory mechanisms are at work in different countries. The UK press / Gambling commission are far more likely to get Betfairs attention than SBR.

[Hareeba!]

CRIS care about SBR, Betfair do not. Different regulatory mechanisms are at work in different countries. The UK press / Gambling commission are far more likely to get Betfairs attention than SBR.

Indeed
I'm a bit surprised at the extent of outcry on the Betfair Forum. Very few posts on the issue. Perhaps censorship is rife there too?

[vitalyo]

Indeed
I'm a bit surprised at the extent of outcry on the Betfair Forum. Very few posts on the issue. Perhaps censorship is rife there too?

Betfair very quick to censor and remove unwonted posts and banning members from the forum , they been this way from the day one .

[JVP3122]

It's interesting that with all of this crap that's gone on that Justin talks about in the video Betfair is still rated as an A book.

[vitalyo]

It's interesting that with all of this crap that's gone on that Justin talks about in the video Betfair is still rated as an A book.

You don't downgrade book right away .In hopes that the common sense will prevail .

[Ruifgalmeida]

If funds may be in dangeur they should be downgrade to C end of story.
The problem is that they dont give a crap about SBR ratings.

[Justin7]

It's interesting that with all of this crap that's gone on that Justin talks about in the video Betfair is still rated as an A book.

I'm pretty sure a downgrade is in the works. We've never had an A-rated book act so outrageously. How far should they fall for this?

[skrtelfan]

Sounds like C territory to me. A bonus confiscation would only merit a small downgrade but in this case they're flat out stealing from people who risked their own money in the casino that probably would have never done so without the promo, so that deserves a huge downgrade. It's about as bad as the sportsbook.com CP confiscation IMO.

[Thremp]

I think people (including Justin7) are out of touch with reality regarding this promotion.

[JVP3122]

You don't downgrade book right away .In hopes that the common sense will prevail .

I agree, but from what Justin said in the video, this isn't the first time Betfair has done something like this.

I'm pretty sure a downgrade is in the works. We've never had an A-rated book act so outrageously. How far should they fall for this?

I've got to think something like a B+. I remember a few years ago a friend of mine had quite a bit of bets canceled at Bodog to the point where if you get unjustly screwed (ie a bad beat) my friends now call it being "bodogged". That was a couple years ago back when they were a B or B+ book.

[Roxxyfish]

no question for me betfair is one of the most reliable sportsbooks,i never had a problem,and im sure my sportsbook money is safe, i dont know what exactly happened with this casino promotion and maybe the way they handled their mistake was wrong, iamstill confident betting on betfair , and my advice dont play on any online casino you cant win long term playing online casinos ,online casinos are the best way to blow your sportsbook winnings

[Kindred]

All casinos are shady...Empire casino owes me $447 for over 4 years, yes years. They are still promising to pay lol...

And I've had many casinos change terms after I was clearing the bonus, and tell me I had to follow the new terms despite the terms being changed after I agreed to them.

This is a bigger site so I guess it's bigger news, but casinos robbing smart players that know how to beat a bonus is nothing new, it's actually pretty much common and been going on since golden palace ripped off "bonus whores" many years ago

[Stacocakes]

I've never had any problems with Betfair.What I do not like those is the premium charge.That is a bigger problem then this surely

[yisman]

Downgrade to B+ if they don't rectify this, imo.

[Dark Horse]

I'm pretty sure a downgrade is in the works. We've never had an A-rated book act so outrageously. How far should they fall for this?

C

No higher. I know some are saying that the right arm and left arm are not related, but that is total bs.

They obviously don't like even tiny losses, through their own mistakes, so even though an exchange format is pretty safe in that regard, if they should ever make a serious mistake there, you can bet your ass they will not take responsibility.

[Hareeba!]

go ahead, downgrade them to Z- and blacklist them for all I and most of those who know better care - it will make no difference at all - they will continue to be the best sportsbook on this planet for those who can play there

[Dark Horse]

go ahead, downgrade them to Z- and blacklist them for all I and most of those who know better care - it will make no difference at all - they will continue to be the best sportsbook on this planet for those who can play there

Actually, making mistakes is just a matter of time. It is human. And it doesn't matter as long as people are willing to correct their mistakes. But if they act like they don't make mistakes, then there is a very clear problem. That's where they're at. The Youtube removal proves it.

[acw]

Show your power Justin7!
Get the guys in New Jersey to work on it:

http://forum.sbrforum.com/sportsbooks-industry/593791-betfair-attempting-legalize-exchange-wagering-new-jersey-horse-racing.html

[potless]

go ahead, downgrade them to Z- and blacklist them for all I and most of those who know better care - it will make no difference at all - they will continue to be the best sportsbook on this planet for those who can play there

Best sportsbook on the planet - really they aren't - good in a limited set of circumstances but thoroughly disposible. I guess your mindset to the worth of bf explains your blind cheerleading. I agree changing the rating will make little difference to bf but it would make sense if the ratings are to have any worth.

[Hareeba!]

Best sportsbook on the planet - really they aren't - good in a limited set of circumstances but thoroughly disposible. I guess your mindset to the worth of bf explains your blind cheerleading. I agree changing the rating will make little difference to bf but it would make sense if the ratings are to have any worth.

"blind cheerleading" ???

I have accounts at the best books in the world and shop for the best prices at them. The fact that I do more business at Betfair than any of the others must surely say something? Certainly not "disposable" if that's what you were trying to say.

If you don't restrict yourself to US sports and aren't subject to Betfair's premium charge there is simply nowhere better to play a range of sports.

There are 3 essential elements to define a top sportsbook and there are no more than a handful which meet the criteria of:
1. Security/prompt payouts; 2. Low juice, 3. High limits.

The SBR ratings have very little worth. Some very ordinary outfits are highly rated and a brilliant book like SBO isn't even mentioned. And all credibility goes out the window when they downgrade Betfair.

[Michaelmakesit]

all online books are crooks

justin7 u know they are.

go back to practicing law buddy

im done with sportsbetting online.

im gonna only do betting when i go to vegas.

sick of this stupid online sht they put people up with

[Hareeba!]

all online books are crooks

justin7 u know they are.

go back to practicing law buddy

im done with sportsbetting online.

im gonna only do betting when i go to vegas.

sick of this stupid online sht they put people up with

I reckon I might well feel the same way if I were a Yank unable to bet at the best books too.

[Monte]

B- or C+
Matchbook was downgraded to B-, Betfair shouldn't be any higher.
Doesn't matter to me if the european market doesn't care about SBR, you make the ratings for the readers here and in the US, not for soccer fans.

[Hareeba!]

B- or C+
Matchbook was downgraded to B-, Betfair shouldn't be any higher.
Doesn't matter to me if the european market doesn't care about SBR, you make the ratings for the readers here and in the US, not for soccer fans.

readers in the US can't use them so it matters not
and there's a hell of a lot more to Betfair than soccer

[Monte]

geez hareeba, they find ways to play at Pinny, iam sure some are interested in Betfair coz they can play there as well (and no i don't want to go into details how). It matters not who cares, downgrade them for the fairness. Wit fraud like that cannot be A-rated.

[Hareeba!]

geez hareeba, they find ways to play at Pinny, iam sure some are interested in Betfair coz they can play there as well (and no i don't want to go into details how). It matters not who cares, downgrade them for the fairness. Wit fraud like that cannot be A-rated.

no real evidence ever that there's been anything to worry about at the sportsbook and I don't buy it based on a heap of experience and observation of them

[noyb]

The SBR ratings have very little worth. Some very ordinary outfits are highly rated and a brilliant book like SBO isn't even mentioned. And all credibility goes out the window when they downgrade Betfair.

exactly

[Dark Horse]

no real evidence ever that there's been anything to worry about at the sportsbook and I don't buy it based on a heap of experience and observation of them

It's one thing to see what you want to see. But to try to convince others of your view, which refuses to consider evidence to the contrary, and in the same breath toss out SBR ratings as practically useless, tells us more about you than about either of these organizations.

'Based on a heap of experience and observation' I could only conclude that SBR ratings are very useful; especially in combination with this forum. Since the time I signed up here I haven't been in trouble with any book. And the three times that there could have been a possible problem, it was quickly resolved, without questions, and in my favor. All three books had a representative posting here (and one was a C book). So, based on my experience, across the board, if you stick with A and B books you're going to be fine. Which is precisely why BF can't be a A or B book anymore.

Coming back to the idea of making mistakes. It is normal and should be expected. The only thing that matters is how we deal them. Apart from a tiny and tightly knit clan of self-deluded fools I have yet to come across any gambler who embraced his own infallibility. Mistakes are opportunities to become better at what we do. Would you believe a person if he told you he never made a mistake? SBR has made theirs. They didn't see Cascade coming. There were rumors here, so I got out in time. If you use both the ratings and the information on this forum you will have a highly reliable map by which to navigate. Then again, I would prefer the self-regulating 'pirate' world of offshore betting anytime over the corrupted 'legalized' world where BF docks its ships, and where public opinion is indeed bought and paid for...

[yisman]

regarding people bashing SBR ratings:

Go find a European sportsbook review and post there instead. Good luck.

SBR ratings are very useful.

Could some European ratings be more accurate? Sure, but SBR doesn't know as much or have the same influence/communication with Euro books.