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  • BrentCrude
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    • 11-16-05
    • 4665

    #1
    How are the black market, paid under the table non income tax payers getting rebates?
    The whole rebate thing is a giant slight of hand,smoke and mirrors, desperation hail Mary pass taken out of what's left in the empty bag of tricks the government uses to artificially stimulate the economy.The country is in debt up to it's eyeballs with no end in sight and they continue spending trillions on worthless pork barrel, frivalous impulse buying crap.I always say that we should have a limited form of government that taxes little,spends little and lets people keep what they earn.The hell with giving freebies to select special interest groups,individuals and companies.etc.

    That said,how many people that feel this way are going to send back those rebate checks that are going to put the country further in debt that they are going to send us.hehe!

    OK,so here is what I heard.It's going to be based on your income tax filing from a year ago,not this year.I see it from different standpoints.First off,the government didn't tellegraph giving these rebates on purpose because every bum in the country would have been selling junk at flea markets and on E-bay to qualify for the bare minimum qualifications to receive a rebate.The IRS would have been swamped with ridiculous income tax filings.I'm no accountant but maybe that can still happen with amended late filings from people who didn't declare income last year????

    You have so many people in the black market underground economy who get paid in cash and that includes gamblers who don't declare income.Is there a loophole for these people to get the rebate where they could file a late tax form for last year?I suppose the penalty would cost as much as the rebate is worth.hehe!

    Here is another take of mine.By the government dangling this carrot out to lure the shady characters who never filed an income tax form in their life ,is that a way to entrap the scoflaws into being revealed and to be put on report that they now have your information about you being in the underground economy?

    True story,,many African Americans ''I have to be PC and not say blacks''were told a few years ago that the government was going to give them reparations.I can't remember exactly how you could file a form saying that anyway???but legend has it that either the IRS clerks were either so dumb,or so sympathetic that they gave them the deduction and the government never asked for the money back.Is that an urban legend or the truth?????

    When Jesse Ventura was governor of Minnesota he gave rebates out and there were reports where 10's of thousands were fraudulent claims and the people in on the scam never paid a penny back.

    There is a well known bank type promotion going on as we speak with very liberal terms and people are filing applications for dead people in their family and receiving the money.
  • Robyn
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    • 02-05-08
    • 9681

    #2
    The law H.R. 5140, the economic stimulus package, states the following:

    Individuals will receive $600
    Couples will receive $1200 (with an additional $300 for each child under 17)
    Individuals and couples earning over $75,000 and $150,000, respectively, will have their eligibility phased out.

    Individuals who earn $3000, receive Social Security or are disabled Veterans, will receive a check of $300. Those who receive a check need to present proof that they received these monies before they will receive a check. If you receive a cash income, it is your responsibility to provide a 1099.

    I am also pretty sure that these checks are based on the income of 2007, not 2006.
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    • swede96
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      • 12-05-07
      • 3875

      #3
      Hey, why the f**k are they getting paid for their kids again? Did they just get big fat checks a couple years ago? Bullsh*t, I tell you.

      Anywho, I can't wait to get my check. Of course, I just got $3000 in tax returns, so I'm just being greedy.
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      • BrentCrude
        SBR MVP
        • 11-16-05
        • 4665

        #4
        Right,where was my head,it's 2008 and you are getting rebates based on income from 2007.What I said still applies though where no one knew about this thing they call a rebate before the end of 2007 so it wasn't telegraphed to let people earn some bogus income to qualify.

        Robyn,I looked at those 1099 forms and it would take a brain surgeon to figure out who might qualify for a rebate.I could see where there would be a lot of complicated loopholes making people eligible.Most people have pride though and they don't want the government to know what they are up to so many people not qualifying will figure it's best to stay away..I know so many people that live underground doing pretty well and this rebate thing is going to eat away at them where they just have to try for it.There goes everything they own when they get exposed as tax cheats for the past 30 years.hehe!


        I'm having a hard time editing and saving here adding on to my original post.I think SBR only allows so many edits per day.

        First off,the income tax is illegal anyway becausethe ammendment never was totally radified.In every case where people are brought to court for not paying taxes,constitutional lawyers will say they are in the right but it doesn't matter to the government and they are tossed in jail.The Brown's from New Hampshire were the latest non tax filers that got tossed in jail.She was a dentist and he was an engineer?and they had to have made pretty decent money.I'm actually always rooting for people like this to get out of the jam but with her being a dentist,she probably made a good income off medicaid,medicare and other entitlement people using her services so she's a hypocrite.I feel more sorry for the people the IRS throws in jail who work totally in the private sector for not paying income tax.
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        • ShamsWoof10
          SBR MVP
          • 11-15-06
          • 4827

          #5
          Originally posted by swede96
          Hey, why the f**k are they getting paid for their kids again? .
          Hey "BONES" why is it bullsh*t..?

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          • thegreatdiatchi
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            • 03-07-08
            • 1154

            #6
            While I could use an extra $600 this plan is not going to work for the following reasons:

            1. Most people are going to take this money and put it on something they need to get paid off.
            2. People who have nothing to pay off may just throw the money in a savings account.
            3. This money, if actually spent will go towards something that is regularly needed for most Americans - not a luxury item.
            4. The money is actually money that is borrowed from China - thus putting this country in even greater debt.

            If you want to boost the economy don't keep raising prices without raising incomes. Also, it would help if this country actually starting making products again instead of sending the work overseas. Being a service-industry country is no good when you don't have domestic products to service.
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            • moneyline
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              • 01-18-08
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              #7
              Obviously, the Swede has never procreated. If she thinks "one big, fat check" a few years ago should take care of families with children forever, she's either naive, selfish or a bit of a dullard ...

              (I'd like to think it's option #1)
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              • Robyn
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                • 02-05-08
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                #8
                Originally posted by BrentCrude

                Robyn,I looked at those 1099 forms and it would take a brain surgeon to figure out who might qualify for a rebate.I could see where there would be a lot of complicated loopholes making people eligible.Most people have pride though and they don't want the government to know what they are up to so many people not qualifying will figure it's best to stay away..I know so many people that live underground doing pretty well and this rebate thing is going to eat away at them where they just have to try for it.There goes everything they own when they get exposed as tax cheats for the past 30 years.hehe!

                BC, anyone who received a cash income in 2007, received a 1099 (anyone who receives tips, gambling earnings, etc). A 1099 is a simple form. If you receive a 1099, you are responsible to pay the taxes on those monies.

                Now if you sell drugs, cut lawns for unreported cash, prostitute your body, etc...you will not receive a 1099 and therefore will not pay taxes on the money you earned. And you will not receive a rebate check.
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                • Robyn
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by thegreatdiatchi

                  If you want to boost the economy don't keep raising prices without raising incomes. Also, it would help if this country actually starting making products again instead of sending the work overseas. Being a service-industry country is no good when you don't have domestic products to service.
                  A-frickin-MEN to that. All the way around. I like the way you think.
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                  • ShamsWoof10
                    SBR MVP
                    • 11-15-06
                    • 4827

                    #10
                    Originally posted by thegreatdiatchi
                    While I could use an extra $600 this plan is not going to work for the following reasons:

                    1. Most people are going to take this money and put it on something they need to get paid off.
                    2. People who have nothing to pay off may just throw the money in a savings account.
                    3. This money, if actually spent will go towards something that is regularly needed for most Americans - not a luxury item.
                    4. The money is actually money that is borrowed from China - thus putting this country in even greater debt.
                    IMO all the above are legit...

                    Originally posted by swede96
                    I can't wait to get my check. Of course, I just got $3000 in tax returns, so I'm just being greedy.
                    Originally posted by moneyline
                    Obviously, the Swede has never procreated. If she thinks "one big, fat check" a few years ago should take care of families with children forever, she's either naive, selfish or a bit of a dullard ...

                    (I'd like to think it's option #1)
                    I would say it's #1 and #2... I'll give "BONES" a break though ... she is trying....

                    Originally posted by Robyn
                    BC, anyone who received a cash income in 2007, received a 1099 (anyone who receives tips, gambling earnings, etc). A 1099 is a simple form. If you receive a 1099, you are responsible to pay the taxes on those monies.

                    Now if you sell drugs, cut lawns for unreported cash, prostitute your body, etc...you will not receive a 1099 and therefore will not pay taxes on the money you earned. And you will not receive a rebate check.
                    GOOD POST!!!

                    If I ever get questioned by the IRS I am going to tell them I prostituted my body...

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                    • RageWizard
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                      • 09-01-06
                      • 3008

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Robyn
                      BC, anyone who received a cash income in 2007, received a 1099 (anyone who receives tips, gambling earnings, etc). A 1099 is a simple form. If you receive a 1099, you are responsible to pay the taxes on those monies.

                      Now if you sell drugs, cut lawns for unreported cash, prostitute your body, etc...you will not receive a 1099 and therefore will not pay taxes on the money you earned. And you will not receive a rebate check.
                      What are you an accountant or something, you got numbers of the bill that passed for the stimulus package and you also seem to know about tax forms. Maybe I should have given my taxes to you instead of TurboTax.
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                      • Sportsgirl
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                        • 09-10-06
                        • 4493

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Robyn
                        Individuals who earn $3000, receive Social Security or are disabled Veterans, will receive a check of $300.
                        this is an unfortunate part of this, because often these people do not file taxes, and therefore they won't get their checks.
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                        • Robyn
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by RageWizard
                          What are you an accountant or something, you got numbers of the bill that passed for the stimulus package and you also seem to know about tax forms. Maybe I should have given my taxes to you instead of TurboTax.
                          I am a business manager and I deal with seniors. It is my job to know this information.

                          Originally posted by Sportsgirl
                          this is an unfortunate part of this, because often these people do not file taxes, and therefore they won't get their checks.
                          Very true. But it is now common knowledge that those who file taxes for 2007 and are eligible, will receive a rebate check. Trust me, H&R Block is loving life this tax season. People are crawling out of the wood work.
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                          • Robyn
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by RageWizard
                            What are you an accountant or something, you got numbers of the bill that passed for the stimulus package and you also seem to know about tax forms. Maybe I should have given my taxes to you instead of TurboTax.

                            p.s. RW, there are three rules to always live by.

                            1. Always have a good accountant
                            2. Always have a good lawyer
                            3. Always wear clean underwear
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                            • BrentCrude
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                              • 11-16-05
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                              #15
                              So,can a person send the IRS some money from many small wins at the betting windows in Vegas and collect a bunch of losing tickets from Vegas saying he's a professional gambler and is entitled to the rebate?

                              All forms of government have become the thought and intention police.They would tell you that the probabilities of your betting sequence doesn't add up.That's what the Minnesota health department is sort of telling bars who found a loophole in the smoking ban laws at bars when they hold theatre nights where it's legal for performers ''the bar patrons''to smoke.The lawmakers were screaming about it saying that we know that you really don't mean it's theatre but are pretending it is and we are going to fine you and shut you down. So frigginn what!!!!If it's a law for now,take your thought crimes and what your real intention crimes are and stick them up the socialist nazi politicians corn holes!

                              Then you used to have the pimp law where the government would say a person has too nice of a car for his income level.So what's it to them if you tell the IRS that you made the money as a kid with a paper route and saved your confirmation gift money and put it your mattress all these years.

                              Another one that gets my dander up is when an 18 year old adult enters college and applies for loans and they ask how much your parents make and use that to judge if you are qualified to receive aid.I thought at 18 you were an adult?Who's to say that your parents worth 40 mill didn't throw you out on your ass and disown you where you were left to fend for yourself?No,the government knows that's not what happened?How do they know????You as the son of parents worth 40 million might be worse off than a crack whore's kid financially.

                              There is nothing worse than a politician who someone got one over on because you will feel the wrath down the road.Pity the poor bars that held the theatre night because every state agency is going to gang up on them knitpicking for every minor violation and open a can of whoop ass on them.That was Clinton's revenge tactic.


                              Geesh,when I edited this post my pargraphs fell out of place
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                              • Robyn
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by BrentCrude
                                So,can a person send the IRS some money from many small wins at the betting windows in Vegas and collect a bunch of losing tickets from Vegas saying he's a professional gambler and is entitled to the rebate?
                                If you win a large sum of money from Vegas, they send a 1099 to you. If you gamble overseas, you are out of luck.
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                                • hoopster42
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                                  • 02-12-08
                                  • 6099

                                  #17
                                  i heard that the tax rebate that we get this year will simply be taken back from us next year so its really just a joke any way
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                                  • hoopster42
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                                    • 02-12-08
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                                    #18
                                    as if people are really gonna pay $600 to go out and eat and buy clothes, wrong, its going to pay for the cc's that we all ran up, lol
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                                    • thegreatdiatchi
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                                      • 03-07-08
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Robyn
                                      A-frickin-MEN to that. All the way around. I like the way you think.
                                      Thanks Robyn. Not many people say that so it's definitely a big compliment for me. You definitely seem like you know your stuff too.

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                                      • Robyn
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by thegreatdiatchi
                                        Thanks Robyn. Not many people say that so it's definitely a big compliment for me. You definitely seem like you know your stuff too.


                                        Not to mention I am a huge Muppets fan. Old school Muppets...none of that Mullet Baby bullShit.
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                                        • swede96
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                                          • 12-05-07
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by ShamsWoof10
                                          Hey "BONES" why is it bullsh*t..?

                                          Address me in a respectful manner and I will answer you.
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                                          • swede96
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                                            • 12-05-07
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by moneyline
                                            Obviously, the Swede has never procreated. If she thinks "one big, fat check" a few years ago should take care of families with children forever, she's either naive, selfish or a bit of a dullard ...

                                            (I'd like to think it's option #1)
                                            No, I haven't procreated. I know how to use a condom.

                                            And I am none of your three options there.

                                            I don't think on check should take care of families forever. However, people with dependents already get a break on their taxes. Then, they got a check 2 years ago. Where is the help for single people that are trying to save up money and become financially stable BEFORE they have children?
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                                            • moneyline
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                                              #23
                                              Swede,

                                              Single people are getting money as well -- just not as much and that is the way it should be. Egocentricity should not be subsidized by the government, but raising children should. It's a lot more difficult to support another life than to just worry about your own, me dear.
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                                              • matskralc
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                                                • 11-26-07
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by swede96
                                                I don't think on check should take care of families forever. However, people with dependents already get a break on their taxes. Then, they got a check 2 years ago. Where is the help for single people that are trying to save up money and become financially stable BEFORE they have children?
                                                If you're getting $3,000 back in income taxes, you're not doing a very good job of planning.
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                                                • Dazzez
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                                                  • 08-04-06
                                                  • 258

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by moneyline
                                                  Single people are getting money as well -- just not as much and that is the way it should be. Egocentricity should not be subsidized by the government, but raising children should.
                                                  I'm sorry, Comrade, but your Sovietska passed on some time ago. No condolences from me, I'm afraid.

                                                  The government shouldn't be in the business of subsidizing baby-making any more than it should be in the business of subsidizing your elitist liberal agenda. I'm an American and I don't need anyone to dictate to me what level of egocentricity is acceptable. Not you, not Senator Clinton, and not your pot-smoking, smelly-ass, hippie Marxist brethren.

                                                  Here's an idea: why don't you take your Politburo, your Central Planning Committee, your 4-hour toilet paper lines, and hop in your your late-model Volga and drive to Sweden as fast as your local party aparatchik allows.
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                                                  • swede96
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by moneyline
                                                    Swede,

                                                    Single people are getting money as well -- just not as much and that is the way it should be. Egocentricity should not be subsidized by the government, but raising children should. It's a lot more difficult to support another life than to just worry about your own, me dear.
                                                    I'm sorry, do I have STUPID stamped on my forehead?

                                                    I know that it's difficult to support another person. Try being 19 years old and having to support your own mother on $20K a year with no help whatsoever. My problem is not so much with hard working families that are struggling, but why is it that the check for single people is on a scale, but kids automatically get you $300 a pop (or whatever the number is)?

                                                    Single people pay more in taxes. We have higher car insurance rates. The list goes on and on.

                                                    I don't call being single egocentric. Know who you're talking to before you make blind assumptions. If you really want to get into it, raising children should not be subsidized by the government. It should be subsidized by the people raising them. If they can't subsidize raising THEIR children themselves or with minimal help from the state, they shouldn't have them.
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                                                    • swede96
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by matskralc
                                                      If you're getting $3,000 back in income taxes, you're not doing a very good job of planning.
                                                      What is that supposed to mean?
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                                                      • RageWizard
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                                                        #28
                                                        Swedes they did the same thing to me a couple of weeks ago when I got e-fvcked by turbo tax. In their minds you should plan your withholdings so that you only have a couple of hundred returned to you, instead of letting the government have your money all year interest free. I pointed out that I like the idea of getting back more money and it is difficult to predict capital gains and losses for the entire year. I will agree with them that giving the government money to hold for free isn't the best situation.
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                                                        • swede96
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                                                          #29
                                                          Well, I claim 0 so they take the max out of my check to be sure I'll never owe. I usually only get a few hundred back, but with the added bonus of writing off my tuition, it was $2K last year and $3K this year....also, I had a second job on the books last year...this year, I do not. It may not be the best planning, but at least if the government has it, I won't spend it.
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                                                          • moneyline
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                                                            #30
                                                            Of course having no children is egocentric. You only worry about Swede at the end of the day, nobody else. And you take it one step further, criticizing a plan that helps families with children -- you know, the people who actually take on the responsibility to raise another life, other than theirs.

                                                            While you take the time to wonder what bar or club you are going to this Friday night, they are actually raising a family. You take care of YOUR student loans, YOUR entertainment needs and YOUR manis and pedis, while they worry about their children ...

                                                            (oh, did you really ask if you look like you have 'stupid' on your forehead -- have you seen your avatar lately???
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                                                            • Robyn
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                                                              #31
                                                              I will be the first to admit, I am far too selfish to have children. I would be a terrible, terrible mother.
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                                                              • moneyline
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                                                                #32
                                                                And there is nothing wrong with that. Each person has that decision to make BUT I can't stand (see; Swede) people who choose to put themselves first and then moan that those who do not shouldn't get a bit of help, especially when it comes to the awesome responsibility of raising children ...
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                                                                • swede96
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by moneyline
                                                                  Of course having no children is egocentric. You only worry about Swede at the end of the day, nobody else. And you take it one step further, criticizing a plan that helps families with children -- you know, the people who actually take on the responsibility to raise another life, other than theirs.
                                                                  I didn't puposely not have children because I don't want the responsibility. I haven't had children yet because I know I am not as financially and emotionally stable as I would like to be before I bring a child into the world.

                                                                  And it's just plain absurd to sit there and claim that everyone that has reproduced is responsible or had their children for the joy of of raising another life. Sure, some have...and some have kids because they're too damn lazy to put on a condom or take their birth control.

                                                                  It's pretty nasty and unfair to call me egocentric because I am waiting until I know I can be a good mother and role model before I have children. People that have children knowing they can't take care of them just because they want them are far more egocentris than me.

                                                                  While you take the time to wonder what bar or club you are going to this Friday night, they are actually raising a family. You take care of YOUR student loans, YOUR entertainment needs and YOUR manis and pedis, while they worry about their children ...
                                                                  Again, you can stop pretending that you know me right now. I haven't been out to a bar since New Year's Eve. MY student loans are to pay for education that will better my family when I choose to have one. Yeah, I pay a cable bill for entertainment...so do most families. I haven't gotten a mani/pedi since the summer and I only had one then because I had a gift certificate. You are living in a fantasy world f you think all parents are devoting everything to the well being of their children. If they were only giving out checks to the GOOD parents in this country, I'd stand up and cheer for them....and the government would save themselves BILLIONS.


                                                                  (oh, did you really ask if you look like you have 'stupid' on your forehead -- have you seen your avatar lately???
                                                                  I have. And I see no writing on my forhead. That's why I was asking.
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                                                                  • moneyline
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Since you are not woman enough to have children yet, either emotionally or financially, that's fine. Wait until you are (if that ever does happen). But shut the pie hole when it comes to the government helping those who did make the decision that they wanted to take on the responsibility and were ready for it.

                                                                    If you think the help given by the gov't is more than a token help, as compared to the entire cost of having a child, you are showing your naivete again. Just be quiet, thank people like your parents for doing what you, as of yet, are unwilling to do and be done with it. Perhaps put a condom on your tongue so these silly thoughts don't keep slipping out?
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                                                                    • Robyn
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by moneyline
                                                                      And there is nothing wrong with that. Each person has that decision to make BUT I can't stand (see; Swede) people who choose to put themselves first and then moan that those who do not shouldn't get a bit of help, especially when it comes to the awesome responsibility of raising children ...
                                                                      I can't speak for her, but I think that her point might be somewhat misunderstood. She is a person who does not have children, so she couldn't possibly speak as a person who does. She works hard, goes to school and pays her taxes. Individuals who do not have children often feel somewhat disgruntled when their tax dollars are applied to those who chose to reproduce. Are they wrong for feeling that way? That question can best be answered by each person individually.

                                                                      Whenever there are two heated sides going at it, not just here, but in regards to anything, I am usually somewhere in the middle trying to weed out fact from personal opinion.

                                                                      My employment background is in human services. I know, hard to believe with the lack of empathy I sometimes possess. I currently work in the private sector, so don't worry...I am not chatting on your dollar.

                                                                      My issue is that in this country, people often use children as a vehicle to survive. We can blame the welfare system for that. Sadly, reform came too late and we are now dealing with 4th generation individuals who rely on these services.

                                                                      I am trying to type this as I am dealing with other things at work, so if this doesn't make sense, I apologize.
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