No Pennies For Elderly & Disabled But Tax Breaks For The Rich?

[poochiecollins]

You do realize everyone got a tax cut, right? And that the rich still pay the great majority of the taxes, and provide 90% of the jobs? Idk about you guys, but I have NEVER gotten a job from a poor person

Present supporting evidence, considering you're weighing that against the lower taxing or higher benefits that lower classes would get when the wealthy are more highly taxed.

[pavyracer]

This has nothing to do with political affiliation. We are now at a point that we can no longer support these people. They are not entitled anything. They have been given charity and its time to stop. Society must come before individuals and now the whole is suffering because of the financial burden these old ***** get for healthcare, disability, social security and they put almost nothing in.

I don't think giving them an extra $250 to offset rises in cost of living is a big deal. These people put money in SS for 50 years before they were entitled to the benefits.

[jbrent95]

I think that there needs to continue to be a moratorium on the Estate Tax. To me, it is immoral to tax an estate that was fully paid for with after tax monies.

[Emily_Haines]

They also managed to give their precious military a 1.4% raise when everyone else gets a pay freeze or cut.

[pm4e]

They also managed to give their precious military a 1.4% raise when everyone else gets a pay freeze or cut.

Money well spent.

[DwightShrute]

The real question is what would have happened if McCain and Palin were in office now. The rich would have been paying 5% taxes. We would have been fighting 5 wars with Russia, Iran, China, Afghanistan and North Korea simultaneously and the oil companies would have been gouging gas at $6 a gallon.

compared to what actually happened in the last 2 years? At least we can see the disaster Obama has been compared to a fictitious impossible example you made.

[itchypickle]

They also managed to give their precious military a 1.4% raise when everyone else gets a pay freeze or cut.

A) It's the lowest military pay increase in decades...spanning both Dem and Rep administrations


B) The 'pay freeze' does not occur for Congress....Congressional staff.....Postal workers.....Judges....etc. It also doesn't take into account other increases already budgeted in for other federal workers on civilian side for Fiscal 2011 which is already under way before this legislation is voted on.

In other words....it sounds good to the average passer by viewer of news hearing the sound bite "Obama freezes pay of govt workers to battle deficit" but the rest of us look into things a bit more.

Just yesterday, his own supporters were mocking the White House attempt to sale the tax compromise to the Dem base by passing around the jokes about emails coming from the admin saying "Mayor of ___" supports Obama's plan......"cashier of so and so from anytown, USA supports Obama's plan" making it look as if it's the greatest thing since sliced bread and everyone should be on board.

[pavyracer]

compared to what actually happened in the last 2 years? At least we can see the disaster Obama has been compared to a fictitious impossible example you made.

You should be greatful the voters were smart enough and didn't vote the lunatics in office. You may not have a country right now if they were elected.

[nosniboR11]

go to give duece 5 sbr points and the system does it three times, sbr this needs to be fixed, I for one will never give posters points anymore if this is going to happen

[ProfaneReality]

How has Obama been a disaster exacty? Because he doesn't have a magic wand to clean up the economic mess that was decades in the making, but greatly accelerated by Bush and his 2 unnecessary wars and tax cuts.

[DwightShrute]

You should be greatful the voters were smart enough and didn't vote the lunatics in office. You may not have a country right now if they were elected.

Maybe McCain wasn't the best choice but could he really be any worse that who they did elect? I can't imagine how

Anyways, we aren't gonna agree on this so I will just say I hope that Obama does move towards the center now that the GOP controls the house. Maybe he can become an effective leader now like Clinton was.

[ProfaneReality]

go to give duece 5 sbr points and the system does it three times, sbr this needs to be fixed, I for one will never give posters points anymore if this is going to happen

or you could wait for it to process and not click send again

[DwightShrute]

How has Obama been a disaster exacty? Because he doesn't have a magic wand to clean up the economic mess that was decades in the making, but greatly accelerated by Bush and his 2 unnecessary wars and tax cuts.

what did Bush do to "greatly accelerate" in your opinion?

what has Obama done right so far?

[ProfaneReality]

what did Bush do to "greatly accelerate" in your opinion?

what has Obama done right so far?

I thought I stated it pretty clearly. You can't be spending hundreds of billions on 2 wars AND cut taxes... thats basic stuff.

As far as what has Obama done.. how about averting the next great depression. He saved the auto industry.. imagine what you and your buddies would be saying if he let GM go under, and in effect the US auto industry. Your party refuses to acknowledge the good that the stimulus bill did, but thats not surprising.

How about Stem cell research and easing the restrictions against it ? (you're probably against that too)

Ordering the Pentagon to cover the costs families of fallen soldiers endured to be there when the body returns...something Bush refused to do.

increased pay and benefits for the military....another Bush refusal.

Ended no bid defense contracts

Increased funding for student aid, and capped student aid payments based on a % of income.

I can keep going if you want.

[BrentCrude]

Take a look around from what your friends,neighbors and relatives get in the way of free welfare-socialist keynesian handouts from the government.Go on a road trip for a couple weeks and watch,listen and observe people,situations,the news broadcasts.etc.The USA is a socialist basket case.Everybody,and I mean everybody is feeding off the teeeeets of Uncle Sam.I like Darick Jeter but take his case as an example.He's all pouty and pissed that his new contract wasn't to his liking.Jeter,you play in a stadium that was built on tax payer welfare money so shut the hell up!!!!!!!You are a parasite Jeter!!!!That's just one example of millions.Student aid for illegals.Look around how many people are faking it collecting SSI checks.There are so few self made legitimate free market people out there that it's ridiculous.

[lyon804]

I don'tknow if saving the auto industry was a good thing since we live in the free market enterprise. Only the survival of the fittest is what counts. It's obvious American auto industry is a failure. I have a business, but if it fails I am sure Bama ain't going to subsidize me. The auto industry should have went bankrupt and restructured like any other American business would have to do. They wasn't to big to fail. If there is a demand people with more brains and innovation would have came in and trimmed the dead wood of the massive incompetence run amuck by the Unions.. The same unions that are tearing the country apart and running every other company out of business.


As for the stimulus.. Whio got the money and how was it appropriated? Did you read the pork bill? Who was accountable. People like you are just naive enough to still believe that the federal reserve is actually federal

[RudyRuetigger]

never understood why people argue politics, much less on a forum

[DwightShrute]

As far as what has Obama done.. how about averting the next great depression. He saved the auto industry.. imagine what you and your buddies would be saying if he let GM go under, and in effect the US auto industry. Your party refuses to acknowledge the good that the stimulus bill did, but thats not surprising.
I can keep going if you want.

I already stated that the stem cell thing was a good thing Obama did. We agree.

No proof he averted the next great depression. That is what he has claimed happened but that doesn't make it true.

Not his job to save the auto industry which he never did. He spent tax payers money to save union jobs from a corporation losing money for several years. That's what banks are for. If GM went under, then Ford (who remained profitable) and others would benefit. Free market. I love GM vehicles btw and have owned a couple. Do you think Obama would have bailed out GM if it wasn't a Union shop?

The stimulus did hardly anything to improve the economy except create a massive debt. You could argue it made things worse.

dont forget Cash for clunkers. another fail.

I can keep going if you want.

I don't belong to a party. I don't really care if its a GOP or DEM president to be honest. I am a conservative.

[lyon804]

I already stated that the stem cell thing was a good thing Obama did. We agree.

No proof he averted the next great depression. That is what he has claimed happened but that doesn't make it true.

Not his job to save the auto industry which he never did. He spend tax payers money to save union jobs from a corporation losing money for several years. That's what banks are for. If GM went under, then Ford (who remained profitable) and other would benefit. Free market. I love GM vehicles btw and have owned a couple. Do you think Obama would have bailed out GM if it wasn't a Union shop?

The stimulus did hardly anything to improve the economy except create a massive debt. You could argue it made things worse.

dont forget Cash for clunkers. another fail.

I don't belong to a party. I don't really care if its a GOP or DEM president. I am a conservative.

Bingo It is so obvious yet so hard for the left to comprehend. This is basic economics 101 in HS for crying out loud. The left don't believe in the constitution... It is irrelevant and outdated in there minds. It apprears they don't believe in economics either. The only thing I know the liberals believe in is stealing from the haves and giving to the have nots. And bitching the whole time they deserve more The United States has been flushed down the tubes due to many socialistic programs and liberal policies.


I will continue to support trickle down economics while the poor and uneducated continue to support tricke up poverty.

[itchypickle]

I thought I stated it pretty clearly. You can't be spending hundreds of billions on 2 wars AND cut taxes... thats basic stuff.

As far as what has Obama done.. how about averting the next great depression. He saved the auto industry.. imagine what you and your buddies would be saying if he let GM go under, and in effect the US auto industry. Your party refuses to acknowledge the good that the stimulus bill did, but thats not surprising.

How about Stem cell research and easing the restrictions against it ? (you're probably against that too)

Ordering the Pentagon to cover the costs families of fallen soldiers endured to be there when the body returns...something Bush refused to do.

increased pay and benefits for the military....another Bush refusal.

Ended no bid defense contracts

Increased funding for student aid, and capped student aid payments based on a % of income.

I can keep going if you want.

Base pay and BAS/BAH all increased under Bush. I remember a few debates over how it was allocated between enlisted/commissioned as well as the TIS/TIG rates (promotions and time in the service by year for all of you who never had to deal with that massive clusterfukk of an issue) but as far as instant deposit pay....it all went up under W.

I'm trying to remember offhand if other nontaxable bonuses (sep pay/haxard pay/hardship tours etc) went up as steeply but I think they did as well.

[BeatingBaseball]

Fact: If liberals were given everything - absolutely everything - that they are asking for right now - they would still not be satisfied. You know it's true. They would never say, "now - that's enough." They could take 99% in taxes from the "rich' - kill the economy - turn the entire country into Detroit - every "starving" jobless, poor person could weigh 250 lbs, have a cell phone and a big screen TV (many already do) and libs would still blame Republicans for the "poverty" of the "disenfranchised."

Contrary to what people like John Edwards get rich on by telling you fools - there will always be poverty - no government in human history has ever solved the problem of poverty and no government ever will. That's what charity is all about. Charity - something which actually has virtue. Even if government did it efficiently (LOL) and without fraud - there is no virtue in giving something to someone because you have a gun to your head and you have to do it. And on the other end - charity is also better appreciated by the receiver because they know you didn't have to do it. When it's given by the government they only feel entitled to it - do not appreciate it - and will vote for any hustler who will promise them even more.

Our only hope is that some of you people wake up while we still have a country left.

[DwightShrute]

Fact: If liberals were given everything - absolutely everything - that they are asking for right now - they would still not be satisfied. You know it's true. They would never say, "now - that's enough." They could take 99% in taxes from the "rich' - kill the economy - turn the entire country into Detroit - every "starving" jobless, poor person could weigh 250 lbs, have a cell phone and a big screen TV (many already do) and libs would still blame Republicans for the "poverty" of the "disenfranchised."

Contrary to what people like John Edwards get rich tell you fools - there will always be poverty - no government in human history has ever solved the problem of poverty and no government ever will. That's what charity is all about. Charity - something which actually has virtue. Even if government did it efficiently (LOL) and without fraud - there is no virtue in giving something to someone because you have a gun to your head and you have to do it. And on the other end - charity is also better appreciated by the receiver because they know you didn't have to do it. When it's given by the government they only feel entitled to it - do not appreciate it - and will vote for any hustler who will promise them even more.

Our only hope is that some of you people wake up while we still have a country left.

[rsnnh12]

Present supporting evidence, considering you're weighing that against the lower taxing or higher benefits that lower classes would get when the wealthy are more highly taxed.

Supporting evidence of what? Lower and middle class got the biggest cuts, but because the rich are getting cuts too, all of a sudden its not good enough. Fact is, 50% of Americans don't even pay federal taxes, the rich pay an already ridiculously high percentage, and they also have 1/3 of consumer spending.

I think all income should be taxed at an equal percentage. Capital gains and dividends should be taxed 10% or less to encourage investment, and the estate tax should be abolished completely

[itchypickle]

Fact: If liberals were given everything - absolutely everything - that they are asking for right now - they would still not be satisfied. You know it's true. They would never say, "now - that's enough." They could take 99% in taxes from the "rich' - kill the economy - turn the entire country into Detroit - every "starving" jobless, poor person could weigh 250 lbs, have a cell phone and a big screen TV (many already do) and libs would still blame Republicans for the "poverty" of the "disenfranchised."

Contrary to what people like John Edwards get rich by telling you fools - there will always be poverty - no government in human history has ever solved the problem of poverty and no government ever will. That's what charity is all about. Charity - something which actually has virtue. Even if government did it efficiently (LOL) and without fraud - there is no virtue in giving something to someone because you have a gun to your head and you have to do it. And on the other end - charity is also better appreciated by the receiver because they know you didn't have to do it. When it's given by the government they only feel entitled to it - do not appreciate it - and will vote for any hustler who will promise them even more.

Our only hope is that some of you people wake up while we still have a country left.

Just look across the nation at areas run by liberals as far as education, social programs, higher taxes, etc. - Detroit, Los Angeles, New York, Chicago Atlanta.

ALL of these cities have high taxes, huge debts, piss poor public education, crime, homelessness, poverty stricken.....and they have ALL had money thrown at them year after year with nothing to show except a trend to the worse. So why does anyone think this will be any different on a national level?

[pavyracer]

It's amazing to see people who don't make 6 figures defend the right of multi-millionaires to pay low taxes.

[PittsburghPlayer]

You men and boys don`t get it. The democrats OR republicans do not control ALL that you think. WE do, but since we don`t stand together when they stuff fists up your ass, the politicians will do as they please. Keep pointing fingers while doing nothing of substance to make change, and we shall have NONE.

[itchypickle]

It's amazing to see people who don't make 6 figures defend the right of multi-millionaires to pay low taxes.

Maybe they see it as simply the fair thing to do...and not look at it as a conflict of "I don't make that much....so I hope those that do are punished for it"

[hoescj01]

its only been on every news channel the last few days...what planet do you live on?

There is no tax cut. The rates have been at this level since 2003, therefore they are part of the tax code. The issue is whether to stop a tax increase. The only tax cut proposed is the Social Security withholding.

[BeatingBaseball]

It's amazing to see people who don't make 6 figures defend the right of multi-millionaires to pay low taxes.

Yeah - there are people who have had more luck, work harder or happen to be smarter or more talented than myself - but unlike you - I'm just not driven to (or feel justified in) stealing from them.

I guess that's the fundamental difference between us.

[lyon804]

It's amazing to see people who don't make 6 figures defend the right of multi-millionaires to pay low taxes.

Boy, Pavy you take the cake. Just yesterday you called me DUMB You should read what you wrote. First off if you had any damn thing you would know people with money don't pay low taxes. Robbing from the the haves to give to the have nots does not work. Where do you think wealth is created? Wealth is created by investment and work ethic and you want to rob the people that have that? You are part of the left that thinks government creates wealth. The government does not create shit. They do not even control our own fukking money supply you DUMMIE The government takes and redistributes to the have nots to keep the lemmons going. Some people are just wired wrong and won't ever have anything and throwing money at the problem does not seem to ever help. Do some research sometime on how poor people winning the lottery end up broke and bankrupt within 10 yrs of winning it. This country will ALWAYS have poor people. Not everybody is successful, most don't have the IQ or the work ethic to have anything. The majoriity of the uneducated and low IQ share similar beliefs as you... "whoa is me" "the government ought to" all loser mentalities. I wish you could have went to business school with me and brought this point of view up in classs. The professors I had would have shit all over you..."Don't speak, and be thought to be dumb, or speak and remove all doubt" How, have you made it to damn near 40,000+ post without being laughed off this site is a mystery to me and furthur exemplifies how low this country is right now.

[PittsburghPlayer]

Lyon, Wealth is usually created by lies, deceit, theft and off of the sweat of others. What you wrote was funny Bro`. Haliburton mang!

[itchypickle]

Lyon, Wealth is usually created by lies, deceit, theft and off of the sweat of others. What you wrote was funny Bro`. Haliburton mang!

Halliburton is actually a very productive company, along with many of its subsidiaries. It's got the 'evil' stigma to it from some simply because of the past employment of Dick Cheney. Facts are facts, the company continues to receive govt funds for overseas and domestic projects ranging all over the board. This is due to the fact that many times, Halliburton is the ONLY one that can perform the duties both effectively and cost.
So, just because you don't like a politician doesn't mean that his past associates are to be blamed. If that were the case....I will say Wal Mart is evil because of their financial dealings with Michelle Obama when she sat on the board of TreeHouse foods where she made a nice sum of money in helping them distribute the very products she's involved with demonizing now in her health crusade. She had no moral issue with receiving hundreds of thousands of dollars from them.....but suddenly cut the ties once her husband became a national figure. See how illogical the argument is? Now excuse me while I dig into a bag of Treehouse snack mix

[lyon804]

Lyon, Wealth is usually created by lies, deceit, theft and off of the sweat of others. What you wrote was funny Bro`. Haliburton mang!

So there is no legitimate business in America? Damn, you are a cycnic. So by your estimation all successful business are created by lies,deceit, theft, and off the sweat of others? I agree about the sweat of others part, but since slavery is over those people do have a job to do and are getting paid to do it. Not everybody can work for the government Government does not create shit, but more problems.


Give us your warped views of what a successful society should look like. Should we all stay at home and wait for the government to send us a check? Hope the wealthy can carry us a little furthur and the government takes a little more?

[Grandmaster B]

It's amazing to see people who don't make 6 figures defend the right of multi-millionaires to pay low taxes.

They've been brainwashed...their mind is weak and easily molded like play doh was when we played with it in kindergarden

[Grandmaster B]

Yeah - there are people who have had more luck, work harder or happen to be smarter or more talented than myself - but unlike you - I'm just not driven to (or feel justified in) stealing from them.

I guess that's the fundamental difference between us.

or maybe you were just born with a silver spoon in your mouth?