No Pennies For Elderly & Disabled But Tax Breaks For The Rich?

[Grandmaster B]

Lyon, Wealth is usually created by lies, deceit, theft and off of the sweat of others. What you wrote was funny Bro`. Haliburton mang!

[Grandmaster B]

You are clearly a man of common sense and intelligence - rare qualities in Players Talk.

Im sorry I had to quote this again because its hilarious to me...how people gave points and nominated a post that was ENTIRELY copy and pasted from a Bill O Reilly website

[Grandmaster B]

There is no tax cut. The rates have been at this level since 2003, therefore they are part of the tax code. The issue is whether to stop a tax increase. The only tax cut proposed is the Social Security withholding.

Actually...The rates were written into law by your favorite President George Bush...to take care of millionaires

so the reason why they would be "increased" would be because the "break" would have expired

nice try spin doctor

[Grandmaster B]

these comments cracked me up on the yahoo web page....


Heck, why are the Republican congressmen so worried about a few bucks for the AMERICAN elderly, they tip the staff at the bondage clubs more than $250....



Apparently the only way for Americans to enjoy some of the benefits of their own tax dollars is to immigrate to Israel.

[PittsburghPlayer]

So there is no legitimate business in America? Damn, you are a cycnic. So by your estimation all successful business are created by lies,deceit, theft, and off the sweat of others? I agree about the sweat of others part, but since slavery is over those people do have a job to do and are getting paid to do it. Not everybody can work for the government Government does not create shit, but more problems.


Give us your warped views of what a successful society should look like. Should we all stay at home and wait for the government to send us a check? Hope the wealthy can carry us a little furthur and the government takes a little more?

I gave the answer earlier Yo. Stop having children to be exploited by the gov`t and big biz. It seems everyone here agrees things are fukked up. People need to stop pointing the finger and make change by action, not talk. I did not mean to disrespect you, though it seems I have by your calling my ideas warped. One thing we all seem to agree on is that our gov`t and society is sinking. I don`t think many people here doubt that we are losing control to foreign governments by being indebted to them. China, Saudi Arabia. What do you suggest we do about that? Bitch? OK, that will get you far.

[Emily_Haines]

Money well spent.

In my book you should actually have to win a war to get a raise. 65 years of failure and we still stick our money into this bottomless pit.

[BeatingBaseball]

or maybe you were just born with a silver spoon in your mouth?

Wow! That's amazing! How did you know?

I was actually born a Kennedy. The patriarch of our family was a criminal bootlegger way back when. But now we discovered this unbelievably great gig. I was told growing up that I could live like a King in Washington, D.C and Hyannis Port just by pretending to give a shit about the losers - that I would just have to give speeches and sound sincere - that I wouldn't really have to associate with the filthy people but just convince them they were victims and that i would solve all their problems if they vote for me. I was told that I could even be drunk half the time, f\*\*k anything that moved, even kill a broad and I would get away with it because the media eats our family's shit up even more than the losers do.

It was tempting. But I decided to go legit and get a real job. John Kerry stepped in and took my spot.

[lyon804]

I gave the answer earlier Yo. Stop having children to be exploited by the gov`t and big biz. It seems everyone here agrees things are fukked up. People need to stop pointing the finger and make change by action, not talk. I did not mean to disrespect you, though it seems I have by your calling my ideas warped. One thing we all seem to agree on is that our gov`t and society is sinking. I don`t think many people here doubt that we are losing control to foreign governments by being indebted to them. China, Saudi Arabia. What do you suggest we do about that? Bitch? OK, that will get you far.

You don't really want to know what I think. You are good guy PP, but I do believe in the survival of the fittest. I do believe in conservative values. I do believe in working for what is yours. I believe in earning it. I believe in the free market enterprise. I belive in economics. I agree that no system is perfect. My ideals I will admit are not perfect, but it is the best system for the masses. Trickle down economics works better than trickle up poverty. None are perfect, again let's make that clear. When you continue to rob from the haves to give to the have nots you create more job loss and deportation of jobs because the wealthy are not into throwing there money away to the incompetent ass government. Right now in America is as low as I have ever seen it. The little guy is behind the eight ball with all the government taxes and government regulations. I know this because I am an employer and it's not worth it for me to hire anybody else right now. I rather keep what I got rather than pay somebody else and pay government employment taxes and healthcare. The government is putting business at a competetive disadvantage and you probably don't see it because you get your little check on Friday rather the company made money or lost money. I'm sorry, there will always be poor and needy. As I mentioned above some people are just lemons. Some lemons win the lottery and end up broke again in 10 yrs. Some are destined for failure. Most get what they want out of live. Most liberals would rather complain, moan and groan about whoa is me, and what the government ought to being doing for them rather than staking there own claim in this world and taking what is their's. We all make choices in life, some make choices to take chances and create for themsleves, and some are willing to wait and see what the government will do for them.

[Grandmaster B]

Wow! That's amazing! How did you know?

I was actually born a Kennedy. The patriarch of our family was a criminal bootlegger way back when. But now we discovered this unbelievably great gig. I was told growing up that I could live like a King in Washington, D.C and Hyannis Port just by pretending to give a shit about the losers - that I would just have to give speeches and sound sincere - that I wouldn't really have to associate with the filthy people but just convince them they were victims and that i would solve all their problems if they vote for me. I was told that I could even be drunk half the time, f\*\*k anything that moved, even kill a broad and I would get away with it because the media eats our family's shit up even more than the losers do.

It was tempting. But I decided to go legit and get a real job. John Kerry stepped in and took my spot.

hmm...I thought you were going to enlighten us with a story about how you made it from the ground up with no hand me downs...guess not

[PittsburghPlayer]

Lyon, I never disrespected you Bro. You and your co. are starting to come off as losers by your disrespecting me. You make it very clear that me and mine are above you. Like I wrote, I did not assinate your character as you have done to me. You are such a little bitch when someone disagrees with you.

[rkelly110]

go to give duece 5 sbr points and the system does it three times, sbr this needs to be fixed, I for one will never give posters points anymore if this is going to happen

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[lyon804]

Lyon, I never disrespected you Bro. You and your co. are starting to come off as losers by your disrespecting me. You make it very clear that me and mine are above you. Like I wrote, I did not assinate your character as you have done to me. You are such a little bitch when someone disagrees with you.

No, you are taking it personal. it's not like that. You did not assinate my character but I come off as a loser or a bitch, huh? So which is it? I just clearly stated my views and they are polar opposite of the way you see society. I guess you are right and I am wrong because your ways is what the country is going by now. If I hurt you wittle feelings next time your in town I'll buy you a coke and and a candy bar.

[PittsburghPlayer]

You said my paychecks on Friday were little like your bank account. You started it douchbag. I don`t fukk with NO One first. Later for you little man.
What the fukk are you reading retard? I did not give "views" dick smoker, I gave solutions.
NOW. Later for you you rotten little kunt.

[lyon804]

You said my paychecks on Friday were little like your bank account. You started it douchbag. I don`t fukk with NO One first. Later for you little man.
What the fukk are you reading retard? I did not give "views" dick smoker, I gave solutions.
NOW. Later for you you rotten little kunt.

Wow, don't take much to get a rise out of you huh? Must be that time of the month for you. You are a sensitive little thang ain't you hun? Well, swing on by in a few weeks and since I hurt your wittle feelings I will buy you coke and a candy bar. I ain't mad at you for getting a little worked up.

[Michael Ferro]

I'm a disabled veteran I can understand both arguements. The poor need help, the rich do not use the social benefits, why should they pay more than others? I SAY GET RID OF FRAUD WASTE AND ABUSE, FROM EACH DEPT. OF THE FEDERAL GOV. AND THE SOCIAL PROGRAMS. THAT WOULD FIX THE ENTIRE PROBLEM. Oh hitting a parlay would help rich and poor

[PittsburghPlayer]

You proved my point again LyonKunt.

[DwightShrute]

I'm a disabled veteran I can understand both arguements. The poor need help, the rich do not use the social benefits, why should they pay more than others? I SAY GET RID OF FRAUD WASTE AND ABUSE, FROM EACH DEPT. OF THE FEDERAL GOV. AND THE SOCIAL PROGRAMS. THAT WOULD FIX THE ENTIRE PROBLEM.

Oh hitting a parlay would help rich and poor

[blueghost]

as my parents[who went through the great depression '30s] always said the truth hurts

[terpkeg]

a young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be very liberal, and among other liberal ideals, was very much in favor of higher taxes to support more government programs, in other words redistribution of wealth.

She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch conservative, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his.

One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the need for more government programs.

The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father. He responded by asking how she was doing in school.

Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 gpa, and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn't even have time for a boyfriend, and didn't really have many college friends because she spent all her time studying.

Her father listened and then asked, “how is your friend audrey doing?”she replied, “audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy classes, she never studies and she barely has a 2.0 gpa. She is so popular on campus; college for her is a blast. She's always invited to all the parties and lots of times she doesn't even show up for classes because she's too hung over.”

her wise father asked his daughter, “why don't you go to the dean's office and ask him to deduct 1.0 off your gpa and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 gpa and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of gpa.”

the daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily fired back, “that's a crazy idea, how would that be fair! I've worked really hard for my grades! I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while i worked my tail off!”

the father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, “welcome to the conservative side of the fence.”

if you ever wondered what side of the fence you sit on, this is a great test!

If a conservative doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one.if a liberal doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.

If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn't eat meat.if a liberal is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone.

If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation.a liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.

If a conservative doesn't like a talk show host, he switches channels.liberals demand that those they don't like be shut down.

If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church.a liberal non-believer wants any mention of god and religion silenced. (unless it's a foreign religion, of course!)

if a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it.a liberal demands that the rest of us pay for his.

If a conservative reads this, he'll forward it so his friends can have a good laugh.a liberal will delete it because he's "offended."

the only problem with this post is that people identify the conservative described above with the republican party.

[gomiamigo]

Bush's 2003 lowering of tax rates on everybody resulted in MORE tax revenue collected, just like Clinton's, and Reagan's, and Kennedy's.

CBO predictions of Tax Revenue in August 2003, post the passing of tax cuts, note the 1-yr lag before things really get going, economy-wise:

In $Billions 2004 2005 2006 2007*

Predicted $1,825 $2,064 $2,276 $2,421

Actual $1,880 $2,153 $2,407 $2,568 Total

Unexpected Surplus $55 $89 $131 $147 $422bn


The CBO was off by almost $450 BILLION in just the 3-4 years. And they projected 30% growth to begin with!

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/44xx/doc4493/08-26-Report.pdf

In the first 3 years of the Tax Cut, growth averaged 4%, and an ALLTIME US RECORD OF 12 quarters of 3%+ GDP growth in a row.

The 2004 budget deficit was ~ $412b, 2007's deficit was $161Bn, or a $250bn improvement since tax cuts were passed in 3 years. You're not going to be able to blame Obama and Geithner's mishandling of the economy on rate changes that were passed ~6 years ago.

[The Madcap]

It's amazing to see people who don't make 6 figures defend the right of multi-millionaires to pay low taxes.

It's called integrity. You know, principle?

But you're a liberal, so it's kind of hard to fathom such a thing because your morals are based upon situational ethics.

[The Madcap]

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[golfrulz]

It's called integrity. You know, principle?

But you're a liberal, so it's kind of hard to fathom such a thing because your morals are based upon situational ethics.

lmfaooo....so the republicans have; integrity/principals/morals?........what fricken fantasy world are you living in pal?

[nobs]

Half of all workers dont pay any income tax at all. They get back the same or more than what they pay in.

The other half is paying all the income tax and amazingly its the half that doesnt pay anything that is always saying the other half needs to start paying its fair share.

I agree there shouldnt be big tax cute for the mega rich when we have a 14 trillion dollar deficit, and I certainly agree the estate tax neds to be reinstated and at far lower than the 10 million dollar cutoff.

but really its hard to get on board with all these people who are always crying about how the poor man is so victimized.

We have a 14 trillion dollar debt because this has become such a welfare state. It seems like evryone I know is on "the programs".

I know one girl ( and I swear to god this is true ), she works at mcdonalds making minimum wage, she has 4 or 5 kids all different daddies, she gets section 8 free rent of $1100 a month ( I dont pay $1100 a month ), she gets food stamps, she gets welfare check, she gets WIC, she gets her electric bill paid, she pays in $20 or $30 a check in income tax and then gets back $8000 at the end of the year using the earned income tax credit for having a boatlaod of kids, she leaves her kids with her mom while she is working, and the gov't PAYS her mom for watching the kids.

Now I make about 40K, time I pay all my taxes I bring hom maybe 28 K. I dont have cable, she does. I have a cheap cell phone, she has 2 cellphones and the one I was looking at the other day is 100 times better than mine, she has better transportation than me, she spends more at the grocery than me, she always has weed money, I dont, she always has cigs, i dont smoke.

I have never been on food stamps, welfare, unemployment, etc. I am not complaing, I am proud of that, but its real hard for me to feel sorry for these "poor poor people that arent getting enough handouts from the govt"

[The Madcap]

lmfaooo....so the republicans have; integrity/principals/morals?........what fricken fantasy world are you living in pal?

Why is it that you idiots think any criticism of the liberal ethic carries with it some inherent endorsement of the GOP?

Sure Republicans are scumbags. If they are politicians surely they are scumbags. All politicians are scumbags.

But I'm talking about civilians here man. OK. And liberals see the world differently. They admit as much. They don't see things in black and white, but "varying shades of gray."

And sure, some times context matters, but not all the time. And liberals think it matters all the time.

Example:

Conservatives like to say there's right, and there's wrong. With few exceptions. Liberals think there are lots of exceptions. And this is why is conservatives think affirmative action is stupid and counterproductive, and liberals think it's a good idea. It's why conservatives don't blame society or racism for the majority of struggles faced by today's black Americans, but liberals do.

Conservatives say if you're going to take an easy job, not work hard at it, and fail to show any initiative, you're not going to go anywhere in life. And that's your fault. And if you're going to spend your free time drinking and doing drugs, having countless sexual encounters and fathering out of wedlock children, well, then that's your fault. And it's your responsibility. And if you end up broke and in jail, and your kids do the same, then that's your fault, and your responsibility. But that's not what a liberal believes, no. No, not at all. It's a cultural thing. It's not their fault, that's how they're raised. We can't blame them for that says the liberals. Except, of course, when that culture also teaches them that dog-fighting is cool.

Michael Vick's situation is a perfect example of the situational ethics of liberals. Liberals think blacks are dumb helpless incompetent morons who can't learn from their mistakes, and this cultural mentality, a by-product of our racist society is why they can't learn right from wrong, IE: not to do drugs, steal, rob, rape, murder, etc. It's not their fault they don't know right from wrong. They can't help it.

But then Mike Vick goes and raises him some pit-bulls to put them in a ring and fight other dogs, because you know it's the thing to do, it's a part of his culture. And when they don't do well in the ring, he tortures them. Did the liberals excuse that? F*CK NO. And why not? Because liberals love animals more than they love pretending they care about helping black people. And when a black guy starts mutilating animals, is there a grey area? NOPE. "That's wrong! It's just wrong!" all the liberals said. OHHHHHHHHHHHHH, so now when they screw up in a way that offends your sensibilities, they are capable of knowing right from wrong?

It's the worst form of hypocrisy. And yeah, conservatives are hypocrites too. But when a conservative is a hypocrite, it's generally on the individual level and doesn't involve asking the government to sanction it.

See the difference?

[pavyracer]

It's called integrity. You know, principle?

But you're a liberal, so it's kind of hard to fathom such a thing because your morals are based upon situational ethics.

What does a liberal mean? This is the second time the last couple days someone calls me a liberal. You can call me a pragmatist but please don't call me liberal.

[nobs]

I think that there needs to continue to be a moratorium on the Estate Tax. To me, it is immoral to tax an estate that was fully paid for with after tax monies.

To me its immoral to tax someone who earns their income, while not taxing someone who sits on their butt and lets Daddy hand them theirs.

[Grandmaster B]

To me its immoral to tax someone who earns their income, while not taxing someone who sits on their butt and lets Daddy hand them theirs.

you just described about 85% of ANYBODY who has wealth in America

[nobs]

Supporting evidence of what? Lower and middle class got the biggest cuts, but because the rich are getting cuts too, all of a sudden its not good enough. Fact is, 50% of Americans don't even pay federal taxes, the rich pay an already ridiculously high percentage, and they also have 1/3 of consumer spending.

I think all income should be taxed at an equal percentage. Capital gains and dividends should be taxed 10% or less to encourage investment,

completely agree with this


and the estate tax should be abolished completely

completely disagree with this

[eidolon]

Republicans also blocked the bill to fund the lunch program at schools to feed kids whose families couldnt afford it.

Keep voting Republican, you working class hero's

sounds more like something a state should be dealing with, not the feds

[nobs]

It's amazing to see people who don't make 6 figures defend the right of multi-millionaires to pay low taxes.

Its amazing how many people who pay no or close to no tax think a multi millionaire paying 35% = low taxes.

[eidolon]

The same people who paid into the system their entire life and now greedy clowns like yourself would have no problem tossing them into the streets to rot and die

you and your people make me sick...

[eidolon]

Some cold motherfukkers amongst us. I hope what I`ve been hearing/reading `bout 2012 being the end is true. Too much fukking hate and too little compassion in this country. For about the 10th time on this forum, here is the answer, if this place is starting to suck so bad, most agree it is, STOP having children, solves a lot of problems. Oh it adds one to be sure, no next generation to spur the economy and pay social security for us fukks. Big deal. Look around you. Do you want your children living amongst all the dumb fukking cold assholes that only think of themselves? Not me. Good luck Gentlemen.

The government should design food and drinks that poor people enjoy, but also causes infertility.

[pavyracer]

The government should design food and drinks that poor people enjoy, but also causes infertility.

If poor people are infertile who are the Republicans going to recruit to fight their wars? Because rich people don't send their own kids to fight their own wars.

[The Madcap]

What does a liberal mean? This is the second time the last couple days someone calls me a liberal. You can call me a pragmatist but please don't call me liberal.

My general definition of a liberal is someone who thinks humans are inherently bad and incapable of being trusted to treat their fellow human beings with common decency, and that therefore that common decency must be established and enforced by a state entity.