No Pennies For Elderly & Disabled But Tax Breaks For The Rich?

[lyon804]

That is rich, LyonKunt, who started by slinging insults at me, suggesting anyone grow up. For a man that runs a businessyou think he would be working. No response necessary. You are the LyonKunt. Says it all.

All these silly name calling shows your medal. I am trying to help you people and teach you the things your parents didn't. For some reason you all are wired wrong. Something is inherently defective in you and others like you. Your mindset is fukked up. You and your buddies here probably look like most and blend in society ok, but somewhere along the ways your wires got out of alignment. Call me all the names that makes you feel better about yourself, but who has the better way?Me, who is happy with my life, or you that is owed something by the government? Some are just lemons, but you could at least make me some lemonaide.

[Grandmaster B]

Interestingly, Obama also says his father was "the coolest motherfukker around" - even wrote a book to that effect. But the uncomfortable fact is that his father totally abandoned him. Cool, huh?

What I was getting at is that people, absent a good father, are often compelled to seek a substitute - just like a woman without a good husband - and both commonly look to the government as their subsitute daddy. I'm just sayin'.

lmao...you make it seem like the government is giving out free money

where is it at?

the system is set up so only rich kids can afford college...wanna take a crack on how much tuition is?...the chances of getting a sports scholarship are very slim...Minorities might get help but thats ONLY if they have a 4.0 or better...what does that translate to?...you can figure it out

but please by all means post a link to where people can get the government to be their "daddy" so to speak...and dont say welfare a $100 of food stamps and $165 cash monthly isnt anyones (well anyone with half a brain) definition of free money...thats just enough birdfeed to not starve to death

[King Mayan]

You have, along with daddy and gay issues, reading comprehension problems as well. Try reading what he said again and let's see what happens.

You never told me your job has a marine?? Or you just think that emblem is cool??

[pavyracer]

My philosophy is if the multi-millionaires know how to make money they will find a way to make money even with high taxes. After all they can afford it.

[Grandmaster B]

No pennies for the elderly and disabled, but tax breaks for the rich

Grow up people, all this bitching,moaning and groaning you are doing is not good for anything. The damn elderly and disabled have put a massive stain on the economy as it is. Fukkers are just leeches, if you gave them 5K a month to sit at home they would need or want 6K a month. Nothing is never enough for the non-productive. The wealthy never pay enough, but you people pay nothing. America has become nothing more than a fuking welfare state, cesspool. We need people to make things happen, not bitchers whining about what they deserve or what they are not getting from the government. The government was not initially designed to be your little piggy bank.


I really enjoy reading all of your sad post about "whoa is me, the big rich man is fukking me" Sound like a bunch of whiners and complainers. The world don't need any more complainers. Get off you ass,leave the computer,pick up some cans and turn them in to recycle. Once you make enough money doing it you can buy you a buggy to push them around. A few yrs from now you might be able to afford a 1990 Ford Ranger to haul them around in. Take little steps each day to improve yourself rather than bitch about what somebody ain't doing for you.


Liberal Leftist= Party of the entitled.

Aside from the fact the greed in your bloodline is pouring out all over this forum with that heartless rant about not caring if the elderly or disabled all rolled over and died tomorrow...Im pretty sure SSI is around $1200 a month for retirement (paid into by the way their entire life) and $600 a month for disabled (wow disabled and has to live on $150 a week?) all verifiable at the SSI website...I would say the white collar wall street criminals taking vacations to resorts on tax payers bailout money (AIG ring a bell?) to be a "massive stain on the economy"

the people you support have stolen BILLIONS...almost...wait...did bring America to its knees

do the math Bush lover...now go hold and take that blood money with you to your grave

[Grandmaster B]

My philosophy is if the multi-millionaires know how to make money they will find a way to make money even with high taxes. After all they can afford it.

they donate back and forth to each other using made up non profit organizations and have lawyers working around to the clock inventing new write offs every day of the year to beat taxes

[DwightShrute]

My philosophy is if the multi-millionaires know how to make money they will find a way to make money even with high taxes. After all they can afford it.

exactly man! so why have them take their $$ out of the country? Give them incentive to leave it in the US. Invest in the USA. Most rich people aren't stupid rich people.

[lyon804]

My philosophy is if the multi-millionaires know how to make money they will find a way to make money even with high taxes. After all they can afford it.

Pavy, buddie... you keep telling me I am dumb Did you read what you just wrote above before submitting it


I can't help you people, you are all wired wrong. Think about incentive though and motivation Why does so many millionaires invest abroad now? Because they are not patriotic?Or, do they like maximizing investment?


Do you even have the foggiest fukking idea what it cost to employ one single worker right now? Quarterly Emplyoment taxes, FICA,Workmans Comp, Health...etc... on top of that you have to pay the little fukkers.


You told me I was dumb, but is obvious you do not live in the real world. I cannot for the life of me see how you have survived damn near 40,000+post on this site without being laughed off of it. It only speaks to the ineptitude of this once great nation.


A simple word of advice for you in parting... "Do not speak, and be thought to be dumb,or speak and remove all doubt" My doubts are removed, Pavy.

[PittsburghPlayer]

LyonKunt, you are a lieing piece of shit. If you were trully trying to "help" people, you would not feel the need to put people down, especially first. You are the LyonKunt!

[PittsburghPlayer]

LyonKunt, I just read the rest of your trash. I NEVER suggested anything other than "Do Not Have Childre", to all, as we all agree we are on the road to hell. Pieces of shit make the ride faster. You are a lieing retard that misrepresents the truth and twists what people write to make your argument. Once again, that makes you the LyonKunt.

[Grandmaster B]

Pavy, buddie... you keep telling me I am dumb Did you read what you just wrote above before submitting it


I can't help you people, you are all wired wrong. Think about incentive though and motivation Why does so many millionaires invest abroad now? Because they are not patriotic?Or, do they like maximizing investment?


Do you even have the foggiest fukking idea what it cost to employ one single worker right now? Quarterly Emplyoment taxes, FICA,Workmans Comp, Health...etc... on top of that you have to pay the little fukkers.


You told me I was dumb, but is obvious you do not live in the real world. I cannot for the life of me see how you have survived damn near 40,000+post on this site without being laughed off of it. It only speaks to the ineptitude of this once great nation.


A simple word of advice for you in parting... "Do not speak, and be thought to be dumb,or speak and remove all doubt" My doubts are removed, Pavy.

[lyon804]

Aside from the fact the greed in your bloodline is pouring out all over this forum with that heartless rant about not caring if the elderly or disabled all rolled over and died tomorrow...Im pretty sure SSI is around $1200 a month for retirement (paid into by the way their entire life) and $600 a month for disabled (wow disabled and has to live on $150 a week?) all verifiable at the SSI website...I would say the white collar wall street criminals taking vacations to resorts on tax payers bailout money (AIG ring a bell?) to be a "massive stain on the economy"

the people you support have stolen BILLIONS...almost...wait...did bring America to its knees

do the math Bush lover...now go hold and take that blood money with you to your grave

You made this way too cut and dry buddie and it ain't that easy. Number 1, I am not a Bush supporter or a Republican. The republican party is just as big of crooks as the Dems. I am a conservative, but no party represents my ideals

As far as the wealthy.. I did not agree with the heist on American people either by stealing of tax payer money for generations that will never be paid, given to Billionaires for them to go lounge with. We are in agreement here.


What I stand for is the small business owner like myself that is not a mulit millionaire, but I get fukked up the ass by the government. I am not rich, but I pay taxes like I am. get it now buddie. I worked for everything, I grew up in a fuckking flood zone for christ sake as a child. Went to a small college on BB schoalrship and started my own business on my own Credit than put me in debt that I have paid through the nose for.


You paint in to wide of a brush.

[BeatingBaseball]

My philosophy is if the multi-millionaires know how to make money they will find a way to make money even with high taxes. After all they can afford it.

You just revealed your basic lack of understanding of economics and wealth creation, Pavy.

In a free economy, resources - whether those resources be be capital or labor - will flow to what makes sense to and is in the best interest of the people controlling those resources. Leftists always see only the labor side of the equation and always discount the value of capital. But just as wages are the cost of labor - profit is the cost of capital. Nothing happens without capital. That's why they call it capitalism.

You have to realize that when you tax somehting - you get less of it. When you subsidize somehting - you get more of it. We can't get anywhere increasing taxes on those who produce and raising the subsidizies for those who do not.

[King Mayan]

Pavy, buddie... you keep telling me I am dumb Did you read what you just wrote above before submitting it


I can't help you people, you are all wired wrong. Think about incentive though and motivation Why does so many millionaires invest abroad now? Because they are not patriotic?Or, do they like maximizing investment?


Do you even have the foggiest fukking idea what it cost to employ one single worker right now? Quarterly Emplyoment taxes, FICA,Workmans Comp, Health...etc... on top of that you have to pay the little fukkers.


You told me I was dumb, but is obvious you do not live in the real world. I cannot for the life of me see how you have survived damn near 40,000+post on this site without being laughed off of it. It only speaks to the ineptitude of this once great nation.


A simple word of advice for you in parting... "Do not speak, and be thought to be dumb,or speak and remove all doubt" My doubts are removed, Pavy.

How many jobs did these bush tax cuts create retard??? all this shit is greed... you have the poor fighting wars that your coward spoiled asses can't fight!!!

[PittsburghPlayer]

LyonKunt, Lastly, just because you WRITE you have more money than me does NOT make it true.

[Grandmaster B]

You made this way too cut and dry buddie and it ain't that easy. Number 1, I am not a Bush supporter or a Republican. The republican party is just as big of crooks as the Dems. I am a conservative, but no party represents my ideals

As far as the wealthy.. I did not agree with the heist on American people either by stealing of tax payer money for generations that will never be paid, given to Billionaires for them to go lounge with. We are in agreement here.


What I stand for is the small business owner like myself that is not a mulit millionaire, but I get fukked up the ass by the government. I am not rich, but I pay taxes like I am. get it now buddie. I worked for everything, I grew up in a fuckking flood zone for christ sake as a child. Went to a small college on BB schoalrship and started my own business on my own Credit than put me in debt that I have paid through the nose for.


You paint in to wide of a brush.

if everything you have in life was derived from the ground up you get the up most respect...but you are also a small %...be thankful you can own your own business and make the money you do...for most people these are tough times we're living in

[Grandmaster B]

How many jobs did these bush tax cuts create retard??? all this shit is greed... you have the poor fighting wars that your coward spoiled asses can't fight!!!

[dstover13]

your wrong that money has never been taxed. If you die and your estate was worth 1 million prior to your death, your taxed on the million. When it passed to your kids and at that time of death its worth 10 million the 9 million gets taxed. That 9 million has never been taxed

[itchypickle]

My philosophy is if the multi-millionaires know how to make money they will find a way to make money even with high taxes. After all they can afford it.

So, what about those between $250k and $5Million?

You are quick to rail against the top 1/2% who, sure, have hundreds of Millions or Billions....but the current tax bracket issue also effects WAY more people than them. So what do you say to someone making $250,006.00 per year with a wife and 1/2 kids.....in say, Boston area? Are THEY rich? How about the same income or pretax and living in NY, Chicago, San Diego?

Bottom line I don't think anyone thinks Buffet, Gates, Jobs, the Facebook guy, etc can't afford a hike but keep in mind:

1) These current brackets effect people who AREN'T millionaires as well

2) Are you in the camp that every dollar made by you or me should be up to the Govt to decide if it wants to take it? Listen to the politicians/pundits closely in the news arguing for more taxes...you'll hear them say "if we LET these people keep their tax cut" "if we GIVE AWAY money to the rich" it's as if they actually think it's FEDERAL money to BEGIN with! Ponder that why don't you and get back to us.

[dstover13]

The bush tax cuts have been effect for ten years and look where we are. DO these republicans for the rich actually think the next 2 years will create millions of jobs

[lyon804]

You just revealed your basic lack of understanding of economics and wealth creation, Pavy.

In a free economy, resources - whether those resources be be capital or labor - will flow to what makes sense to and is in the best interest of the people controlling those resources. Leftists always see only the labor side of the equation and always discount the value of capital. But just as wages are the cost of labor - profit is the cost of capital. Nothing happens without capital. That's why they call it capitalism.

You have to realize that when you tax somehting - you get less of it. When you subsidize somehting - you get more of it. We can't get anywhere increasing taxes on those who produce and raising the subsidizies for those who do not.

We are wasting our time here fighting this loosing battle with a several brain dead people who don't even have a basic competency level understanding of Economics. What you just gave him was a grammer tuturial in Econ.101 from 7th grade and it was accurate, to a tee.

[Grandmaster B]

LyonKunt, Lastly, just because you WRITE you have more money than me does NOT make it true.

[itchypickle]

Somebody check that barn-man's documents in the picture! Send him home and that's one more job created for Mayan and his corner to take so that they feel better about themselves.

[pavyracer]

It's amazing that just because someone owns a business they are entitled to tax breaks else they will blackmail the government that they will go overseas. I don't own a business but I provide services and pay high taxes. You see me bitching about the taxes? No! I just pay my taxes and don't threaten anyone.

[lyon804]

So, what about those between $250k and $5Million?

You are quick to rail against the top 1/2% who, sure, have hundreds of Millions or Billions....but the current tax bracket issue also effects WAY more people than them. So what do you say to someone making $250,006.00 per year with a wife and 1/2 kids.....in say, Boston area? Are THEY rich? How about the same income or pretax and living in NY, Chicago, San Diego?

Bottom line I don't think anyone thinks Buffet, Gates, Jobs, the Facebook guy, etc can't afford a hike but keep in mind:

1) These current brackets effect people who AREN'T millionaires as well

2) Are you in the camp that every dollar made by you or me should be up to the Govt to decide if it wants to take it? Listen to the politicians/pundits closely in the news arguing for more taxes...you'll hear them say "if we LET these people keep their tax cut" "if we GIVE AWAY money to the rich" it's as if they actually think it's FEDERAL money to BEGIN with! Ponder that why don't you and get back to us.

Another brilliant mind. Well articulated.

[Grandmaster B]

You just revealed your basic lack of understanding of economics and wealth creation, Pavy.

In a free economy, resources - whether those resources be be capital or labor - will flow to what makes sense to and is in the best interest of the people controlling those resources. Leftists always see only the labor side of the equation and always discount the value of capital. But just as wages are the cost of labor - profit is the cost of capital. Nothing happens without capital. That's why they call it capitalism.

You have to realize that when you tax somehting - you get less of it. When you subsidize somehting - you get more of it. We can't get anywhere increasing taxes on those who produce and raising the subsidizies for those who do not.

the people you speak of arent "producing" nothing but a nest egg for their own...now stick your head back in the sand ostrich

[big0mar]

You made this way too cut and dry buddie and it ain't that easy. Number 1, I am not a Bush supporter or a Republican. The republican party is just as big of crooks as the Dems. I am a conservative, but no party represents my ideals As far as the wealthy.. I did not agree with the heist on American people either by stealing of tax payer money for generations that will never be paid, given to Billionaires for them to go lounge with. We are in agreement here. What I stand for is the small business owner like myself that is not a mulit millionaire, but I get fukked up the ass by the government. I am not rich, but I pay taxes like I am. get it now buddie. I worked for everything, I grew up in a fuckking flood zone for christ sake as a child. Went to a small college on BB schoalrship and started my own business on my own Credit than put me in debt that I have paid through the nose for. You paint in to wide of a brush.

You get fukked in the ass by the government, yet you say you started your own business on credit? Who created a functioning credit market for you? Why were interest rates low enough for you to borrow?

I'm in the same boat as you. I started my own business. But I also realize that without government, it would have been a lot harder for me to do so

[DwightShrute]

Originally Posted by itchypickle

what about those between $250k and $5Million?

You are quick to rail against the top 1/2% who, sure, have hundreds of Millions or Billions....but the current tax bracket issue also effects WAY more people than them. So what do you say to someone making $250,006.00 per year with a wife and 1/2 kids.....in say, Boston area? Are THEY rich? How about the same income or pretax and living in NY, Chicago, San Diego?

Bottom line I don't think anyone thinks Buffet, Gates, Jobs, the Facebook guy, etc can't afford a hike but keep in mind:

1) These current brackets effect people who AREN'T millionaires as well

2) Are you in the camp that every dollar made by you or me should be up to the Govt to decide if it wants to take it? Listen to the politicians/pundits closely in the news arguing for more taxes...you'll hear them say "if we LET these people keep their tax cut" "if we GIVE AWAY money to the rich" it's as if they actually think it's FEDERAL money to BEGIN with! Ponder that why don't you and get back to us

yes I missed that one

Itchy!

[The Madcap]

they donate back and forth to each other using made up non profit organizations and have lawyers working around to the clock inventing new write offs every day of the year to beat taxes

Yeah, you know why? Because of dingleberries like you who think their money is your money. Rich people wouldn't be so quick to hide their money if it weren't for all the assholes in this country who think they are entitled to it. That's why when taxes are lower and less of a hassle rich people don't mind paying them as much.

It's all about respect man. We have this belief that if you are rich and successful you must be greedy or evil or selfish or just out to screw people over. And yeah, there are some Bernie Madoffs and Enron scum out there. And we catch them, and they go to prison.

Most rich people started out with little and turned it into a lot. Took an idea and their own two hands and built it from the ground up. Despite what a lot of idiots believe, most people that are rich today did not inherit their wealth. They EARNED it. And when you've busted your butt your whole life to create something, something that you believe in that your customers believe in, as evidenced by their willingness to fork over their hard earned dollars to purchase your product, that makes you feel good inside. It's a rewarding feeling for a lifetime of hardwork and commitment to see an idea become of tangible use. But in today's America they don't even get a chance to take in that feeling of decency before some dickheaded group of liberals starts screaming at them about how they are evil exploiters. So you know what they do? They give you a large giant middle finger by taking their money and putting it where you assholes can't get your bitter self-righteous fingers on it.

I don't blame them. Not one damned bit. You blame them for ruining America. I blame you. Why would anyone want to work hard in this country to make something of themselves only to have some group of know-it-all whiners come and take what they've earned while tell them they are dirty evil scum that need to be responsible for everyone else in the country that can't get it together? It's bullshit. And that's why people who actually work for a living (small town America) call you out for being a bunch of snobbish pricks and vote for the GOP and can't stand your liberal whining. Hardworking people hate shame artists. And they hate people who excuse failures. And they certainly hate people who excuse failure and consider anyone successful bad people. So keep it up liberals. Maybe in Europe they fall for that shit a little more often. But not in America. The more indignant and bitter you get, the stronger the GOP will get. You'd be best served to shut up, and then maybe us regular hard-working folks might remember that there was a time when you occasionally said things that were useful.

[lyon804]

if everything you have in life was derived from the ground up you get the up most respect...but you are also a small %...be thankful you can own your own business and make the money you do...for most people these are tough times we're living in

Times for me are tough also. I am not rich or wealthy. I am a working class man that pays through the fukking nose so the entitled can have more while I take chances by running a business.

[Grandmaster B]

So, what about those between $250k and $5Million?

You are quick to rail against the top 1/2% who, sure, have hundreds of Millions or Billions....but the current tax bracket issue also effects WAY more people than them. So what do you say to someone making $250,006.00 per year with a wife and 1/2 kids.....in say, Boston area? Are THEY rich? How about the same income or pretax and living in NY, Chicago, San Diego?

Bottom line I don't think anyone thinks Buffet, Gates, Jobs, the Facebook guy, etc can't afford a hike but keep in mind:

1) These current brackets effect people who AREN'T millionaires as well

2) Are you in the camp that every dollar made by you or me should be up to the Govt to decide if it wants to take it? Listen to the politicians/pundits closely in the news arguing for more taxes...you'll hear them say "if we LET these people keep their tax cut" "if we GIVE AWAY money to the rich" it's as if they actually think it's FEDERAL money to BEGIN with! Ponder that why don't you and get back to us.

making almost a quarter mil annually in this day and age?...Id say yes...that someone is pretty well off

[lyon804]

You get fukked in the ass by the government, yet you say you started your own business on credit? Who created a functioning credit market for you? Why were interest rates low enough for you to borrow?

I'm in the same boat as you. I started my own business. But I also realize that without government, it would have been a lot harder for me to do so

I had regular Credit Cards that were not low interest. The Government doesn't even control our money supply genius. The Federal Reserve does and they ain't federal.

[Grandmaster B]

Times for me are tough also. I am not rich or wealthy. I am a working class man that pays through the fukking nose so the entitled can have more while I take chances by running a business.

you make it seem like running a business and taking 100% profit is the worst thing ever ...like you're a resident in some section 8 apts

[Grandmaster B]

Yeah, you know why? Because of dingleberries like you who think their money is your money. Rich people wouldn't be so quick to hide their money if it weren't for all the assholes in this country who think they are entitled to it. That's why when taxes are lower and less of a hassle rich people don't mind paying them as much.

It's all about respect man. We have this belief that if you are rich and successful you must be greedy or evil or selfish or just out to screw people over. And yeah, there are some Bernie Madoffs and Enron scum out there. And we catch them, and they go to prison.

Most rich people started out with little and turned it into a lot. Took an idea and their own two hands and built it from the ground up. Despite what a lot of idiots believe, most people that are rich today did not inherit their wealth. They EARNED it. And when you've busted your butt your whole life to create something, something that you believe in that your customers believe in, as evidenced by their willingness to fork over their hard earned dollars to purchase your product, that makes you feel good inside. It's a rewarding feeling for a lifetime of hardwork and commitment to see an idea become of tangible use. But in today's America they don't even get a chance to take in that feeling of decency before some dickheaded group of liberals starts screaming at them about how they are evil exploiters. So you know what they do? They give you a large giant middle finger by taking their money and putting it where you assholes can't get your bitter self-righteous fingers on it.

I don't blame them. Not one damned bit. You blame them for ruining America. I blame you. Why would anyone want to work hard in this country to make something of themselves only to have some group of know-it-all whiners come and take what they've earned while tell them they are dirty evil scum that need to be responsible for everyone else in the country that can't get it together? It's bullshit. And that's why people who actually work for a living (small town America) call you out for being a bunch of snobbish pricks and vote for the GOP and can't stand your liberal whining. Hardworking people hate shame artists. And they hate people who excuse failures. And they certainly hate people who excuse failure and consider anyone successful bad people. So keep it up liberals. Maybe in Europe they fall for that shit a little more often. But not in America. The more indignant and bitter you get, the stronger the GOP will get. You'd be best served to shut up, and then maybe us regular hard-working folks might remember that there was a time when you occasionally said things that were useful.

I stopped reading right there

Im not kidding either

[lyon804]

Yeah, you know why? Because of dingleberries like you who think their money is your money. Rich people wouldn't be so quick to hide their money if it weren't for all the assholes in this country who think they are entitled to it. That's why when taxes are lower and less of a hassle rich people don't mind paying them as much.

It's all about respect man. We have this belief that if you are rich and successful you must be greedy or evil or selfish or just out to screw people over. And yeah, there are some Bernie Madoffs and Enron scum out there. And we catch them, and they go to prison.

Most rich people started out with little and turned it into a lot. Took an idea and their own two hands and built it from the ground up. Despite what a lot of idiots believe, most people that are rich today did not inherit their wealth. They EARNED it. And when you've busted your butt your whole life to create something, something that you believe in that your customers believe in, as evidenced by their willingness to fork over their hard earned dollars to purchase your product, that makes you feel good inside. It's a rewarding feeling for a lifetime of hardwork and commitment to see an idea become of tangible use. But in today's America they don't even get a chance to take in that feeling of decency before some dickheaded group of liberals starts screaming at them about how they are evil exploiters. So you know what they do? They give you a large giant middle finger by taking their money and putting it where you assholes can't get your bitter self-righteous fingers on it.

I don't blame them. Not one damned bit. You blame them for ruining America. I blame you. Why would anyone want to work hard in this country to make something of themselves only to have some group of know-it-all whiners come and take what they've earned while tell them they are dirty evil scum that need to be responsible for everyone else in the country that can't get it together? It's bullshit. And that's why people who actually work for a living (small town America) call you out for being a bunch of snobbish pricks and vote for the GOP and can't stand your liberal whining. Hardworking people hate shame artists. And they hate people who excuse failures. And they certainly hate people who excuse failure and consider anyone successful bad people. So keep it up liberals. Maybe in Europe they fall for that shit a little more often. But not in America. The more indignant and bitter you get, the stronger the GOP will get. You'd be best served to shut up, and then maybe us regular hard-working folks might remember that there was a time when you occasionally said things that were useful.

Another brilliant mind. funny, how the brillinant ones are also more articulate. good work madcap.