No Pennies For Elderly & Disabled But Tax Breaks For The Rich?

[itchypickle]

Bahahahahahaha bigot piece of shiittt.. And did you forget all Of America is brown land not crooked teeth hicks land!!

You don't have much of a sense of humor do you? Guess I should have known...seeing as how you didn't have a father figure around to teach you that sorta thing right?

Quick there's a Call of Duty campaign about to start, "Marine"

[nobs]

What kills me with these guys who have their own business', who preach survival of the fittest,
make your own way in the world etc. Why do you have employees, tell 'em to go make their
own way in life and quit sponging off you for a paycheck.

You guys are the lucky ones, show some appreciation and give back to who gave you that
opportunity. Be it the govt, community, customers, your employees or your daddy.

You guys need to get off your high horses, because like it or not, there's always going to be
people who are less than you. Deal with it, get over it.

If the govt needs to keep people from poverty so be it. They have longer range visions
than tomorrow.

kelly I think most people will agree with you to a point. I dont think anyone wants to see kids starving to death in the streets. The point that the other side is making is when does it stop ? When is enough enough ?

The problem with "the programs" is they are so often abused. Plenty of people sitting on their butts collecting food stamps, welfare, WIC, section 8, EIC, etc.

We dont have a problem with truly needy people getting a little help. We have a problem with people using "the programs" in a way they werent intended.

And why is it that Mexicans can come up here and find work, while so many Americans claim there are no jobs ? Because Mexicans will take minimum wage, most Americans want $15 an hour otherwise they will just collect from the programs and make $15 an hour that way.

[nobs]

couldn't agree more with this post.

Thanks Lyon, and thanks for the points.

[nobs]

If someone who doesn't own a business pays high taxes then why should someone who owns a business pay low taxes. Please explain this to me and don't call me liberal again.

Since noone answered. I would say because I think we all have an interest in helping that business survive.If the business survives it will employ workers and then maybe it can grow and start employing more workers. In this case these workers dont need to rely on the gov't for anything and in fact they will be paying taxes that they otherwise wouldnt be.

So say the gov't gives a business tax breaks then that business is able to hire 5 workers that it otherwise wouldnt be able to hire. The gov't more than makes up for the tax break it gave the business because now those 5 extra employees are paying taxes.

That is why a business might deserve a tax break that you or I dont get.

[King Mayan]

You don't have much of a sense of humor do you? Guess I should have known...seeing as how you didn't have a father figure around to teach you that sorta thing right?

Quick there's a Call of Duty campaign about to start, "Marine"

Bahahahaha my father is chilling at home... And what's up with all this call of duty shiit lil boy..... When ever you want to come down to Studio city(la) we can go to my parents house and U can kiss my purple heart...

[itchypickle]

Mayan - You mean like the ones awarded to those of us who sport these nice little reminders (see below) along with the 3 screws and titanium rod in my leg from an engagement outside the 'blue mosque' in Tikrit, Iraq?

So....thus far I've contributed a military commission to the Infantry...the front side scar....and if you'd like...I'll throw in some certs for the Arcoms and cluster just for shits and giggles

What do you have to contribute to the pissing contest my friend?

[BeatingBaseball]

On behalf of my family - thanks for your service, Itchy.

[shady610]

i never get into the politice or the social meanings of things. I just go by basics of what makes sense for the greater majority.

The more you tax, the prices increase for consumers.
The more you tax, the more jobs get deported or cut.
The more you tax, the less people can spend to stimulate the economy
The more you tax, the less incentive for people to work or invest in business.

Tax breaks for the rich is basically the same as doing your chores as a kid. You kiss their @$$ and things will run smoothly. Whether you like it or not.

Over here in the oregon area, they have a bottle "tax" that charges 5 cents a bottle when you buy beverages. A 24 pack of water is automatically increased 50% in price. Now nobody buys them and the industry is going down.

Bottom line is if you tell the RICH they will recieve the tax rate thats fair, they will keep jobs here and make more. They also wont have to go around hiding there money either.

There is no reason to give more money to a government that will just end up printing it anyways.

[itchypickle]

On behalf of my family - thanks for your service, Itchy.

My pleasure, thanks for the regard

[Jonah]

i never get into the politice or the social meanings of things. I just go by basics of what makes sense for the greater majority.

The more you tax, the prices increase for consumers.
The more you tax, the more jobs get deported or cut.
The more you tax, the less people can spend to stimulate the economy
The more you tax, the less incentive for people to work or invest in business.

Tax breaks for the rich is basically the same as doing your chores as a kid. You kiss their @$$ and things will run smoothly. Whether you like it or not.

Over here in the oregon area, they have a bottle "tax" that charges 5 cents a bottle when you buy beverages. A 24 pack of water is automatically increased 50% in price. Now nobody buys them and the industry is going down.

Bottom line is if you tell the RICH they will recieve the tax rate thats fair, they will keep jobs here and make more. They also wont have to go around hiding there money either.

There is no reason to give more money to a government that will just end up printing it anyways.

You are probably making too much sense here for some people...I need pennies, don't feel I deserve other people's money...

[itchypickle]

i never get into the politice or the social meanings of things. I just go by basics of what makes sense for the greater majority.

The more you tax, the prices increase for consumers.
The more you tax, the more jobs get deported or cut.
The more you tax, the less people can spend to stimulate the economy
The more you tax, the less incentive for people to work or invest in business.

Tax breaks for the rich is basically the same as doing your chores as a kid. You kiss their @$$ and things will run smoothly. Whether you like it or not.

Over here in the oregon area, they have a bottle "tax" that charges 5 cents a bottle when you buy beverages. A 24 pack of water is automatically increased 50% in price. Now nobody buys them and the industry is going down.


Bottom line is if you tell the RICH they will recieve the tax rate thats fair, they will keep jobs here and make more. They also wont have to go around hiding there money either.

There is no reason to give more money to a government that will just end up printing it anyways.

You nailed it While people sit and scream 'tax those evil corporations' they don't realize the actual increase will come out of the consumer's pocket. And the funniest thing to notice is the very same people who are pissed off at 'the evil corporations' do so while: Shopping at WAL MART, ranting on an HP or APPLE computer, watching MICROSOFT or SONY games played on a SAMSUNG tv and talking on an AT&T smart phone while wearing ADIDAS shoes and driving a FORD or AUDI automobile fueled by BP gas.

Moral of the story is in the grand scheme of things....we all need each other and things are just fine

[pavyracer]

i never get into the politice or the social meanings of things. I just go by basics of what makes sense for the greater majority.

The more you tax, the prices increase for consumers.
The more you tax, the more jobs get deported or cut.
The more you tax, the less people can spend to stimulate the economy
The more you tax, the less incentive for people to work or invest in business.

Tax breaks for the rich is basically the same as doing your chores as a kid. You kiss their @$$ and things will run smoothly. Whether you like it or not.

Over here in the oregon area, they have a bottle "tax" that charges 5 cents a bottle when you buy beverages. A 24 pack of water is automatically increased 50% in price. Now nobody buys them and the industry is going down.

Bottom line is if you tell the RICH they will recieve the tax rate thats fair, they will keep jobs here and make more. They also wont have to go around hiding there money either.

There is no reason to give more money to a government that will just end up printing it anyways.

How about the people who are not rich? Should they get tax breaks?

[King Mayan]

Mayan - You mean like the ones awarded to those of us who sport these nice little reminders (see below) along with the 3 screws and titanium rod in my leg from an engagement outside the 'blue mosque' in Tikrit, Iraq?

So....thus far I've contributed a military commission to the Infantry...the front side scar....and if you'd like...I'll throw in some certs for the Arcoms and cluster just for shits and giggles

What do you have to contribute to the pissing contest my friend?

Oh wait I'll go take a picture of my broken leg and get some picture of a paper ... That proves nothing... Your army and I'm a ex- marine.....

[lyon804]

Oh you dense bastard. This response you just gave proves my point exactly. You can't accept anything I say at face value can you? You've got to make things up, create this image of who I am, because you can't accept it otherwise.

I didn't say I was Mother Teresa.

And no I didn't adopt kids from Guam. Although a buddy of mine and his wife adopted kids from Vietnam. Montagnards. Maybe you've heard of them.

I didn't come here to paint a picture that my political group is made up of American Patriots or good Christians. I'm not even religious. And I wouldn’t even consider myself as belonging to a political group. And that’s the whole point. Most Republicans don’t consider themselves political. That’s the whole reason they vote Republican. Because they don’t like politics. They don’t want to think about the government. They want it to be a smaller part of their lives. And they certainly don’t want so much of life’s stakes determined by an election. We’ve got better things to do, like our jobs and raising our families, and possibly trying to squeeze in some time with the fellas to go fishing.

But you don’t see it that way. NO. We all must be greedy right? Or racist? That’s what’s so funny about you liberals and why we all think you’re a bunch of morons. There can’t be one person that comes and disagrees with your view of life and governance without that person having some disqualifier, like they are dumb, soulless, greedy, racist etc. It’s hilarious. You dingbats just can’t accept the fact that there are millions of people in this country that legitimately disagree with your point of view can you? Does it just hurt that much? Is it just easier to think we’re all evil?

And this is why we think you’re self-righteous snobs that never really had to work for a damned thing your whole lives. Here we are, doing a real man’s labor every day, and when we come to you and say, hey, uh, you know we kind of actually hate progressivism, we sort of think it’s a waste of time and money, so we vote GOP, you just can’t handle it can you? You’ve got to dismiss it. Dismiss us. Because we can’t possibly be right can we? Liberalism can’t possibly be wrong can it, because by golly, you want to help people! Therefore it can’t be misguided! And since we don’t believe in liberalisms, well then, we must not want to help people! GASP! You must be right! If we don’t agree with liberal politics, then we must be selfish! Soulless! All of us. All of us hundred million people in small town America. Every last one of us. Greedy stupid and racist. Yep. That’s us. That’s for letting us know.

Look Buddy, there’s an old saying around here, you catch more bees with honey than vinegar. And you liberals are all vinegar these days. And I don’t know if it’s just that you’re jerks, or that you got so passionately brainwashed into believing in the righteousness of politicians that you can’t accept it was a stupid thing to believe, and so you just have this need to lash out at everybody that didn’t get suckered into like you did, whatever the case, you only weaken your credibility when maintain this dismissive attitude. Don’t get me wrong, I admire the conviction. But you’ve got stop defending that conviction with obvious lies man. I mean seriously. Look at the voting maps all across America. We’re not rich oil tycoons, and yet, we still went the other way. We elected Republicans. It’s not cause we’re bitter. It’s not cause we’re clinging to our guns and our religion. It’s because we’re tired of people like you man. We’re tired of dimwits like you thinking we’re on your side. We’re not. We don’t think everybody that has money is automatically a soulless minion of Satan. Unless he’s Jewish. (just kidding. But that’s what you think right? We’re all jew-hating KKK members?)

The only people who vote Democrat these days are poor people with a grudge against rich people, and rich people with a grudge against their fellow rich people. Oh, and union members who can extort themselves into more money when dupe liberals are in power. But that’s it. And you need to accept that and quit making excuses for yourselves. Or you’re just going to continue to lose relevance. And despite the fact that we hate liberals, we don’t exactly want to see a one party system in this country either. We want two parties. We just want those parties to be reasonable. And your party is no longer reasonable. Which means we’re basically forced to support the GOP. And we don’t really want to, but they’re the only ones who seem the least bit willing to stop accepting this “oh woe is me” bullshit that has engulfed the country. OK? We’re not a nation of whiners and losers. We’re a nation of doers. And we’d like to get back to doing things instead of bitching about them. Care to help us? If not, well, have fun watching your guys continue to get voted out of office. Maybe you’ll get it eventually.

Maybe the best post I have read here. Points sent

[itchypickle]

Oh wait I'll go take a picture of my broken leg and get some picture of a paper ... That proves nothing... Your army and I'm a ex- marine.....

The paper is an official commission...not 'some piece of paper'. And my point being, this IS an internet forum so a lot of....like you said...'wannabes' roaming around, I was just trying to validate the point by contributing the basic documentations to back up my posts.....something you seem to shy away from while also acting 180 degrees opposite from the majority of vets. Just saying. Try a little humility for a change is all I'm saying. But, again, I'm willing to go point for point with you as long as you're a 'Fallujah vet Marine with a shiny purple heart" Let's see proof of at least one/two of them as a show of sincerity. I'm guessing you don't possess an O's sabre from the Corps...so won't be prominently displayed in your area....but surely you keep SOME affiliation in sight to take pride in your time right? Hell I've still got a CAC card for reserve time still left in my wallet, you name it. I'll leave it at that and leave it up to whomever wants to read the past posts

[lyon804]

Thanks you for your service Itchypickle! I appreciate it, because of people like you I am afforded the opportunity to argue on the internet with brain dead people

[itchypickle]

Thanks you for your service Itchypickle! I appreciate it, because of people like you I am afforded the opportunity to argue on the internet with brain dead people

and some definitely need an official short bus window licker tab and purple helmet to wear in public too....always entertaining right?

[lyon804]

and some definitely need an official short bus window licker tab and purple helmet to wear in public too....always entertaining right?

You always crack me up We really get off at exposing how dumb most are

We attempt to educate, but yet our attempts are futile to say the least. Some people are inherently ignorant or have a low IQ. I see many that there gene pool should be extinct. It's sad that the dumb,poor, and ignorant breed faster than us. I have one child and perhaps one day we will have another, but not 4,5,6,78, like so many have today. Not all that come from a big family are ignorant, but I am willing to blindly bet most are.

[King Mayan]

The paper is an official commission...not 'some piece of paper'. And my point being, this IS an internet forum so a lot of....like you said...'wannabes' roaming around, I was just trying to validate the point by contributing the basic documentations to back up my posts.....something you seem to shy away from while also acting 180 degrees opposite from the majority of vets. Just saying. Try a little humility for a change is all I'm saying. But, again, I'm willing to go point for point with you as long as you're a 'Fallujah vet Marine with a shiny purple heart" Let's see proof of at least one/two of them as a show of sincerity. I'm guessing you don't possess an O's sabre from the Corps...so won't be prominently displayed in your area....but surely you keep SOME affiliation in sight to take pride in your time right? Hell I've still got a CAC card for reserve time still left in my wallet, you name it. I'll leave it at that and leave it up to whomever wants to read the past posts

humility?? Hypocrite again?? And I didn't get shot in fallajuh...it was April 4th 05 Ramadi... But I'll go to my parents this weekend and take some pics(maybe Internet photos)!! I already have enough shiittty ass dreams to have reminders around the house and I'm a grunt i don't have humility... Humility is for patrolling army and seaside navy.. Frontline MFs like me lost all that shitt over there!!!

[itchypickle]

humility?? Hypocrite again?? And I didn't get shot in fallajuh...it was April 4th 05 Ramadi... But I'll go to my parents this weekend and take some pics(maybe Internet photos)!! I already have enough shiittty ass dreams to have reminders around the house and I'm a grunt i don't have humility... Humility is for patrolling army and seaside navy.. Frontline MFs like me lost all that shitt over there!!!

I'll refrain from the irony of you saying you have to go to 'your daddy's' for something...just isn't productive. But the internet pic comment? Do you want me to attach a love letter addressed to you in the pic next to something...make you feel better? Normally I'd stop already, but I just feel the need to make you a special case. Maybe it's the salty old style lingo from Full Metal Jacket that you through in the last post....who knows. And for the record, if I'm wrong about you....I'll be right back here to admit my misread...and apologize for it immediately....surely you can relate to the disdain it breeds to listen to anyone claim time in who didn't. That goes for in person / tv / sports forum or wherever.

[King Mayan]

I'll refrain from the irony of you saying you have to go to 'your daddy's' for something...just isn't productive. But the internet pic comment? Do you want me to attach a love letter addressed to you in the pic next to something...make you feel better? Normally I'd stop already, but I just feel the need to make you a special case. Maybe it's the salty old style lingo from Full Metal Jacket that you through in the last post....who knows. And for the record, if I'm wrong about you....I'll be right back here to admit my misread...and apologize for it immediately....surely you can relate to the disdain it breeds to listen to anyone claim time in who didn't. That goes for in person / tv / sports forum or wherever.

damn full metal jacket.. Classic huh.. I know your a cool dude itchy But all this bashing the poor it's ****** up... You and me never walked in piss poor people shoes.. I know from being catholic, I was thought to help people not bash them.. I know they are some lazy fukkss out there, but the majority of poor people struggle with 2 jobs and still can't live comfortable.. And how's your baby? I got a 16 month old girl and she gives hell already???

[GELATINOUS CUBE]

i-guess-the-handicapped-better-learn-to-handicap

[itchypickle]

damn full metal jacket.. Classic huh.. I know your a cool dude itchy But all this bashing the poor it's ****** up... You and me never walked in piss poor people shoes.. I know from being catholic, I was thought to help people not bash them.. I know they are some lazy fukkss out there, but the majority of poor people struggle with 2 jobs and still can't live comfortable.. And how's your baby? I got a 16 month old girl and she gives hell already???

Honestly, as hard as it may be to believe...my little girl has the big #1 coming up...on the 24th...Christmas Eve...how fukked up of an irony is that seeing as I'm Jewish
It's okay to laugh at that...I know I have for the past 11 months

[King Mayan]

Honestly, as hard as it may be to believe...my little girl has the big #1 coming up...on the 24th...Christmas Eve...how fukked up of an irony is that seeing as I'm Jewish
It's okay to laugh at that...I know I have for the past 11 months

damn I never would of thought u were Jewish.. Damn at least she will never feel left out.. With all those kids getting presents.. She will also have presents!!

[PittsburghPlayer]

You always crack me up We really get off at exposing how dumb most are

We attempt to educate, but yet our attempts are futile to say the least. Some people are inherently ignorant or have a low IQ. I see many that there gene pool should be extinct. It's sad that the dumb,poor, and ignorant breed faster than us. I have one child and perhaps one day we will have another, but not 4,5,6,78, like so many have today. Not all that come from a big family are ignorant, but I am willing to blindly bet most are.

Now I better understand why maybe you felt the need to start with me. That being, I am on here writing of late, suggesting we men not have children, and you have one. I am sorry if I insulted you. Frankly, that is what bothered me about you, the fact that I made you aware thet you "stepped on my toes", and it had no effect on you. Not enough to apologize anyway, which is what good men do when they have done wrong. You have men in this thread that support you and have your back. Notice none of them did concerning me and what I wrote? The time has passed Sir for you to do the right thing.

[andywend]

Do these people have no shame?

GrandmasterB:
Instead of asking the rich to pay the bills of the elderly and disabled, WHY DON'T YOU DO IT?

Its time for people like you who preach on and on about liberal causes to start ponying up YOUR OWN MONEY to show you really care about the elderly and disabled. Before asking the rich to pay more tax than they already do to pay for the things YOU CARE ABOUT, you should be reaching into your own pockets to get the ball rolling.

GrandMasterB, you're just another FAKE LIBERAL DEMOCRAT who REFUSES to step up to the plate and personally sacrifice to help those in need. You're all talk and no action.

[BeatingBaseball]

You can't expect them to pony up, Andy. It's well established that liberals are personally the least generous and the least tolerant among us. Quintessentially ironic, but absolutely true.

[The Madcap]

GrandmasterB:
Instead of asking the rich to pay the bills of the elderly and disabled, WHY DON'T YOU DO IT?

Its time for people like you who preach on and on about liberal causes to start ponying up YOUR OWN MONEY to show you really care about the elderly and disabled. Before asking the rich to pay more tax than they already do to pay for the things YOU CARE ABOUT, you should be reaching into your own pockets to get the ball rolling.

GrandMasterB, you're just another FAKE LIBERAL DEMOCRAT who REFUSES to step up to the plate and personally sacrifice to help those in need. You're all talk and no action.

He doesn't do it because he's a collectivist, he thinks your money is his money, and therefore believes he's being generous when he votes to give away your money.

[investor]

He's not even American....

[King Mayan]

GrandmasterB:
Instead of asking the rich to pay the bills of the elderly and disabled, WHY DON'T YOU DO IT?

Its time for people like you who preach on and on about liberal causes to start ponying up YOUR OWN MONEY to show you really care about the elderly and disabled. Before asking the rich to pay more tax than they already do to pay for the things YOU CARE ABOUT, you should be reaching into your own pockets to get the ball rolling.

GrandMasterB, you're just another FAKE LIBERAL DEMOCRAT who REFUSES to step up to the plate and personally sacrifice to help those in need. You're all talk and no action.

another tea party rant???? I think the poor democrat that works 2 jobs pays enough taxes, dont you think?? He would actually use that money to survive... Not to buy his 25th car!!!

[DwightShrute]

why do you think you are the moral authority as to how many cars someone can buy?
is 2 too many? How bout 3 cars?
can they also buy a boat? How about a ski-doo? Is a motorcycle ok with you?
How many TV's would you allow someone to have in their home?
how much can someone spend on a vehicle?

[King Mayan]

Bahaha nice avatar... You think im going to worry about the rich guy that has no worries in life and just wants to lower everbodys pay(slaves) and wants your backbreaking money.. Or the middle class guy that has a mortage and has to work 60 hours a week while really not seeing his kids... Get your priorities straight...

[DwightShrute]

Bahaha nice avatar... You think im going to worry about the rich guy that has no worries in life and just wants to lower everbodys pay(slaves) and wants your backbreaking money.. Or the middle class guy that has a mortage and has to work 60 hours a week while really not seeing his kids... Get your priorities straight...

why do you "worry" about the "Rich" so much? I don't understand why so many do. I want everyone to be treated fairly and if you are one of the ones that is smarter and makes more $$ that someone else, good for you. I certainly won't care or want to see you penalized for it.

Aren't we equal? or supposed to be?
I think we should just simplify the tax code. Everyone pays 25%. Never goes up in your life. That's fair to me.

[King Mayan]

why do you "worry" about the "Rich" so much? I don't understand why so many do. I want everyone to be treated fairly and if you are one of the ones that is smarter and makes more $$ that someone else, good for you. I certainly won't care or want to see you penalized for it.

Aren't we equal? or supposed to be?
I think we should just simplify the tax code. Everyone pays 25%. Never goes up in your life. That's fair to me.

Thats the whole thing.. I dont worry about the rich...and smarter doesnt equal rich... Money makes money these days... Back in 1910,20,30,40,50,60 you could get rich by being smarter not know!!!

[DwightShrute]

Thats the whole thing.. I dont worry about the rich...and smarter doesnt equal rich... Money makes money these days... Back in 1910,20,30,40,50,60 you could get rich by being smarter not know!!!

yes not always are rich people smarter I agree with you.

Still my point is valid IMO and that is, why should one person pay more than someone else percentage wise.