Who Plays At Betfair And Is it Better Than Pinnacle?

**RonPaul2008** · 12-03-10, 12:23 PM

Nothing on Earth is better then Pinnacle

**jjgold** · 12-03-10, 01:21 PM

Pinnacle live betting is horrific

Betfair seems to take much more action

**SoV** · 12-03-10, 02:10 PM

I play at BetFair but haven't played at Pinnacle so can't comment.

**Karayilan9** · 12-03-10, 02:16 PM

Depends if you like or understand exchanges, however it doesn't offer as many soccer leagues as some of the other books which is annoying.

**jjgold** · 12-03-10, 02:42 PM

They seem to have decent horsebetting also from around globe.

jw · 12-03-10, 02:44 PM

Betfair kicks ass .. if you bet horses - you can't touch it .... for all other sports ... it is VERY competitive.

**jim** · 12-03-10, 02:48 PM

nobody is better than pinnacle.

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**jjgold** · 12-03-10, 02:55 PM

I think betfair might v
Be safer though and of course much bigger.

**Gee** · 12-03-10, 03:31 PM

I use both as my primary books.

Betfair is the best for horses and tennis. I can usually get much better than the tote. Its not so good for American sports - Pinny is much better.

**lacoste** · 12-03-10, 04:23 PM

I use betfair only for live betting.

**Hareeba!** · 12-03-10, 04:23 PM

Every serious non-US punter uses Betfair at least until their greedy premium charge comes into effect.

Unless you confine yourself to US sports then Betfair overall has more to offer than Pinnacle and odds are competitive even after commission.

Ability to lay (fade) is a big plus as is the ability to put in an offer for a better price which you can't do at Pinnacle. And very often you'll get matched at that price if you aren't too greedy and there's plenty of time before the event starts.

Live (in-play) betting is way ahead of Pinnacle's, even on US sports.

**Dirty Sanchez** · 12-03-10, 04:27 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

Talk to me

Some have both...having connections is a beautiful thing

**Karayilan9** · 12-03-10, 04:38 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

They seem to have decent horsebetting also from around globe.

For horsebetting nothing comes close, also being able to trade all day on the horses is a big plus.

**pleasegod** · 12-03-10, 04:39 PM

talk to me about horse racing and betfair.......

**tofuman** · 12-03-10, 04:41 PM

the jjgold is asking this question? what, you gonna try to become a UK citizen and get on betfair?

**Chopsticks** · 12-03-10, 04:56 PM

Betfair good for horses and underdogs, sometimes the draw on footy. Otherwise stick with 12bet and pinnacle.

If you trade then betfair is of course essential.

**Hareeba!** · 12-03-10, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by Chopsticks

Betfair good for horses and underdogs, sometimes the draw on footy. Otherwise stick with 12bet and pinnacle.

If you trade then betfair is of course essential.

putting 12bet in the same sentence as Pinnacle and Betfair!!!

**jjgold** · 12-03-10, 05:28 PM

Ok so far this is what I get

Betfair is top flight for horses, tennis, golf, live betting

**Chopsticks** · 12-03-10, 05:35 PM

Originally posted by Hareeba!

putting 12bet in the same sentence as Pinnacle and Betfair!!!

Yes. I seriously do not understand why you love betfair so much. Asian footy odds is almost always better than betfair on game day unless it is on a big underdog. Obiously you are limited at 12bet and that is that, but not everyone is unlucky like that. Anyway, there are 12bet hybrids out there like fun88, mansion88, dafa and a few othes.

**JOHON8** · 12-03-10, 05:37 PM

Betfair is good because you are not constrained to lines given by the bookmakers. There is more freedom but at the same time a lot of competition between people trading.

Only downside I'd say is that it doesn't have good Basketball lines from my experience. Even on some American sports the market is not as good as American bookmakers in terms of the price..

**forsberg21** · 12-03-10, 05:37 PM

Betfair is brilliant... it's a MUST HAVE in anyone's portfolio of books

**Ruifgalmeida** · 12-03-10, 05:47 PM

both are great, but after the 5%comission I prefer pinnacle odds.
Also you cant beat pinnacle withdraws 1min to moneybookers and neteller

**Hareeba!** · 12-03-10, 06:07 PM

Originally posted by Ruifgalmeida

both are great, but after the 5%comission I prefer pinnacle odds.
Also you cant beat pinnacle withdraws 1min to moneybookers and neteller

5% is the highest level of commission
most regulars would be paying quite a bit less than that
I always shop for best odds ... If Betfair weren't competitive with Pinnacle and the others they wouldn't be my top turnover book.
As for withdrawals .. Betfair and Pinnacle are both very prompt ... same day is good enough for me ... no issue there comparing how many MINUTES difference

**Hareeba!** · 12-03-10, 06:11 PM

Originally posted by Chopsticks

Yes. I seriously do not understand why you love betfair so much. Asian footy odds is almost always better than betfair on game day unless it is on a big underdog. Obiously you are limited at 12bet and that is that, but not everyone is unlucky like that. Anyway, there are 12bet hybrids out there like fun88, mansion88, dafa and a few othes.

even before my limits were reduced by 12bet they were much lower than SBO and 188
Betfair offers so much more than soccer that's why it blows most of the others away
And being able to post a bid (which is frequently matched) is something you can only do on an exchange.

**Hareeba!** · 12-03-10, 06:13 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

Ok so far this is what I get

Betfair is top flight for horses, tennis, golf, live betting

and a heap of other sports too ... more than Pinnacle and with more options too

**Gee** · 12-03-10, 06:37 PM

Originally posted by Hareeba!

5% is the highest level of commission most regulars would be paying quite a bit less than that I always shop for best odds ... If Betfair weren't competitive with Pinnacle and the others they wouldn't be my top turnover book. As for withdrawals .. Betfair and Pinnacle are both very prompt ... same day is good enough for me ... no issue there comparing how many MINUTES difference

getting discounted is fvcking hard, unless you're trading in massive volume every day. to get the max discount you need to be turning over 150K a week... pretty hard if you want to pick your spots. i was trading hard about a year ago and i think the lowest i got to was 3.5% or so i think.

**jjgold** · 12-03-10, 06:46 PM

I see you can bet horses to lose on all usa tracks

WOW!!!!!!!

**Hareeba!** · 12-03-10, 06:51 PM

Originally posted by Gee

getting discounted is fvcking hard, unless you're trading in massive volume every day. to get the max discount you need to be turning over 150K a week... pretty hard if you want to pick your spots. i was trading hard about a year ago and i think the lowest i got to was 3.5% or so i think.

yes you need to be a pretty big punter to get down to the minimum for sure but I know of a couple who do arbs and trades for no other reason than to keep it there so they get extra value on the bets they like

but as I said and you have confirmed most don't pay 5% if they are regular players, 3% or 4% can still make a reasonable difference when comparing prices

**Hareeba!** · 12-03-10, 06:52 PM

[quote=jim;7757207]nobody is better than pinnacle.

says someone who most likely has never experienced Betfair?

**Monte** · 12-03-10, 06:52 PM

Why choose if you can have both, and if you can't you should take what is available.

**jjgold** · 12-03-10, 06:57 PM

I notice biggest volume is definitely money line bets compared to spreads

I guess Euro players like the ML

**Chopsticks** · 12-03-10, 06:57 PM

Originally posted by Hareeba!

even before my limits were reduced by 12bet they were much lower than SBO and 188

I don't know when you were limited but I find that 12bet is the better of those three. In particular if you check the 1x2 odds. The draw odds is very competitive at 12bet.

Anyway.. I don't really use them too much these days. Why would you want to bet on market odds when you can get out of line odds elsewhere.

**Hareeba!** · 12-03-10, 07:19 PM

Originally posted by Chopsticks

I don't know when you were limited but I find that 12bet is the better of those three. In particular if you check the 1x2 odds. The draw odds is very competitive at 12bet.

Anyway.. I don't really use them too much these days. Why would you want to bet on market odds when you can get out of line odds elsewhere.

yes they do regularly have the best dog odds for 1x2
personally I don't like betting draws
but the big problem with 12bet is that I can't win anything worthwhile there due to my extremely low limits so for me they are just no use any more
and I would expect the same fate will be awaiting any other players who regularly beat them

**lunchbawks** · 12-03-10, 07:37 PM

pinnacle is the best