Avoid Wagerweb

**horseplayer69** · 01-02-08, 08:03 PM

'but he got greedy and screwed himself for it '

hmmm like that pick 6 clown..oh my he had gold in his hands..

**bigloser** · 01-02-08, 08:12 PM

Keep posting

**Rand790** · 01-03-08, 11:55 PM

Horseplayer, what are your thoughts? I am open to hearing them? Maybe I should be taking a different approach?????

**Rand790** · 01-03-08, 11:57 PM

Big Loser, do you suggest keep posting? Why do you feel that way?

**JimmyG** · 01-04-08, 12:18 AM

I would keep posting

You seem to be making great progress in whatever you are trying to accomplish

**bigloser** · 01-04-08, 12:28 AM

Keep this at the top of the forum

**Rand790** · 01-04-08, 07:41 PM

If you are looking for a new sportbook - take my advice and avoid WAGERWEB - tons of A and B rated sportsbook to choose from. Hope this helps you.

**Rand790** · 01-04-08, 09:39 PM

I wish someone from WagerWeb management would have the courage to come on this website and explain why they would steal $42,000...................isn't amazing when there is a dispute with an A rated sportsbook (BetJam example), the guy who runs the place is on this website explaining what happened. Where are you, WagerWeb?

**robmpink** · 01-04-08, 11:05 PM

Originally posted by WagerWeb SUCKS!!

I wish someone from WagerWeb management would have the courage to come on this website and explain why they would steal $42,000...................isn't amazing when there is a dispute with an A rated sportsbook (BetJam example), the guy who runs the place is on this website explaining what happened. Where are you, WagerWeb?

The player from BetJam didn't past post. No need for an explanation from WW. Deal with it, you got caught. Again, you are an idiot for keeping all of that cash in the book while ass raping them. Here is my suggestion, if you want to get even. Use your deposit money that they refunded and try to find some stinger missles on E-Bay.Smuggle them into Costa Rica and take aim at WW head quarters. Good luck!

**pavyracer** · 01-04-08, 11:14 PM

Originally posted by robmpink

The player from BetJam didn't past post. No need for an explanation from WW. Deal with it, you got caught. Again, you are an idiot for keeping all of that cash in the book while ass raping them. Here is my suggestion, if you want to get even. Use your deposit money that they refunded and try to find some stinger missles on E-Bay.Smuggle them into Costa Rica and take aim at WW head quarters. Good luck!

I will recommend a TOW anti-tank missile instead. It will do more damage than a stinger.

**Dumb_lucK** · 01-05-08, 04:20 AM

Originally posted by JimmyG

I would keep posting

You seem to be making great progress in whatever you are trying to accomplish

Makes me wanna go deposit and see what all the fuss is about personally

way to advertize WW there WWS

**Rand790** · 01-05-08, 04:22 AM

Wagerweb..................I know you all read this forum everyday...................why can't you explain to the public why you stole $42,000 from me........

**Rand790** · 01-05-08, 04:24 AM

Dumb,

I am confident that after reading these postings you would NEVER deposit any of your money with Wagerweb...........I am sure you wont admit it after your posting, but am sure nobody with any sense would send this sportsbook a penny.

**Dumb_lucK** · 01-05-08, 05:10 AM

I have my own opinion on the matter.. I don't try to screw the book if they don't try to screw me.. it's fair, plain and simple. If I know a line is bad.. I won't play it, if I know it's late.. why chance it.. WW can be one of the greatest books for all we know.. however it took someone who chanced and lost to try and break their rep. Personally as soon as I leave work... I think I will go open an account with them and deposit.. I think they handled it quite well!

**Dark Horse** · 01-05-08, 10:38 AM

If WW said they would work on a compromise and have not done so, they deserve another downgrade.

Player and book took shots at each other. Neither represents a high standard. However, the bigger shot was taken by the book, for the obvious reason that they hold the money. If the player is not allowed to cash out (an amount that is reasonable) that amounts to theft by WW.

**Rand790** · 01-05-08, 11:11 AM

SBR has worked directly with WagerWeb on a "mutually fair agreement" for this situation. WagerWeb management told Bill Dozer three times that they were going to have an offer and never followed through -ALL THREE TIMES. SBR felt that if WagerWeb was to pay me 40% then that would be fair and the case would be closed. Unfortunately, they never would respond to SBR.

This is a pathetic sportsbook and if anyone is stupid enough to open an account with them - I am sure you will be sorry!

How can a sportsbook take 66 separate bets over a 3 month period and then say "screw you, we are not going to pay." Think about it.................

Wagerweb, why don't you tell the world your side of the story..............I have told my side...................because you are a sorry, low-life organization.

Guaranteed you are losing business everyday because of this situation - I hope you are happy - nothing to say?

**Dark Horse** · 01-05-08, 11:28 AM

Originally posted by WagerWeb SUCKS!!

SBR has worked directly with WagerWeb on a "mutually fair agreement" for this situation. WagerWeb management told Bill Dozer three times that they were going to have an offer and never followed through -ALL THREE TIMES. SBR felt that if WagerWeb was to pay me 40% then that would be fair and the case would be closed. Unfortunately, they never would respond to SBR.

Unless WW has finalized its decision, you would serve your case better by laying off a little and let SBR complete the process with WW. You use the word 'never' to qualify WW's response to SBR, but so far it could also be 'not yet'.

**dwaechte** · 01-05-08, 11:41 AM

Why WagerWeb SUCKS!!! hasn't been banned already I have no idea. He has provided absolutely nothing and is simply a nuisance. I'm all for little moderation, but when guys are double and triple posting saying the exact same things and bumping threads just for the hell of it, that's a little much don't ya think? If I came on here with a name of "Pinnacle SUCKS!!!" and carelessly bumped threads by stating "Pinnacle suckssss don't play there" would you guys really put up with it?

Let the thread speak for itself.

**Dark Horse** · 01-05-08, 11:45 AM

He stands to lose a chunk of money, so it is in his best interest to keep the case in everyone's memory. Just as it is in WW's interest to hope that it will go away.

Whatever the outcome (if there is none yet), I hope SBR is able to get a decision out of WW sooner than later.

**dwaechte** · 01-05-08, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by Dark Horse

He stands to lose a chunk of money, so it is in his best interest to keep the case in everyone's memory. Just as it is in WW's interest to hope that it will go away.

Whatever the outcome (if there is none yet), I hope SBR is able to get a decision out of WW sooner than later.

I understand why he's doing it, I just don't understand why SBR is letting him. They should be the ones in charge of how much publicity they want this to get, not some idiot on the forum who is providing no real substance.

Also, could someone from SBR confirm if eric_dy and WagerWeb Sucks are indeed the same person?

**Dark Horse** · 01-05-08, 11:51 AM

Try to walk a mile in his moccasins. Would you quietly let this go away if it was your money?

This case still needs to be resolved, and that is all up to WW at this point (again, unless I missed something and WW decided it had 'done' enough).

**dwaechte** · 01-05-08, 11:55 AM

Originally posted by Dark Horse

Try to walk a mile in his moccasins. Would you quietly let this go away if it was your money?

This case still needs to be resolved, and that is all up to WW at this point (again, unless I missed something and WW decided it had 'done' enough).

We've been over this before, but I would never be in his moccasins. I would not attempt his "questionable" actions in the first place.

If I ever need to come to SBR for help on a payment issue, I'll be the first one to call myself a hypocrite. (unless an A book completely folds and runs)

**Dark Horse** · 01-05-08, 11:57 AM

Wrong pair of mocs.

**dwaechte** · 01-05-08, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by Dark Horse

Wrong pair of mocs.

Huh?

**BigBollocks** · 01-05-08, 12:02 PM

I might be censured for saying this, but the only reason I think this shottaker is being allowed to post is that SBR has some sort of cut in his action.

We've had numerous people have past post battles that have not gotten this publicity, and the one guy who cheated the system with a 75% edge over 50-100 plays gets backing??? It makes 0 sense. It doesn't take a stats genius to realize the player had 0% chance to lose longterm....

**BigBollocks** · 01-05-08, 12:03 PM

And for the record, I too agree that this is just free advertising for WW. Anyone who has kept up with this case knows that the book was not at fault, and the player continuing to mention their name just makes more people go and check them out who were previously unaware of them

**JimmyG** · 01-05-08, 12:09 PM

Good point Bollocks

I dont get it either...

Justin made a decision. Bill made a different decision. Posters are split on their feelings.

Bill said "Pay the player or get downgraded"

WW said NO and they were downgraded.

I dont think a downgrade was fair. Especially considering there were so many diffrences of opinion on the case. However, its Bills site so he can run it how he wants..

I was across the street at MW and this guy posted there as well and they buried his shottaking @ss. He went away instead of clogging up the forum with his crap.

**Dark Horse** · 01-05-08, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by dwaechte

Huh?

Instead of trying to walk in his moccasins, you said you liked yours a whole lot better. (man, if I only still had those velvet pointed rock'n'roll shoes...)

It is amazing how quickly people can find solutions to conflicts if they truly walk in each other's shoes for a while (the 'why didn't you say so before?!' flash of understanding). Years of conflict can be resolved in a very short time with the right attitude. On the other hand, when people dig in their heels a conflict is never resolved; unless one annihilates the other. It is a very simple principle and yet, when you look around the world, it is rarely put into practice. Isn't it absolutely astonishing that people in power can be so poorly trained in conflict resolution?

A little power can be a dangerous thing. Give a sixteen year old some serious horsepower and all he can think of is go as fast as possible. It is no different with immature political leaders who rule only for their own self-gratification, rather than to serve the people.

You can tell a lot about a person or organization by how they wield power. In this case WW is in a position of power (because they hold the money). Like SBR, WW management too seems to be of two minds about this situation; going back and forth between telling SBR they will get back and not following through. In a case where no side is 100% certain what is right -the posters, SBR, WW are all split-, the only reasonable solution is a compromise; letting go of selfish motives, seeing the other side, and moving on. It's a tie. Nobody wins, nobody loses. Everybody saves face.

**horseplayer69** · 01-05-08, 03:36 PM

http://www.thumbshots.net/webguide.aspx?cat=Games%2fGambling%2fSports%2fChats_and_Forums

this will keep him busy guys

**Rand790** · 01-05-08, 03:58 PM

I have offered to a compromise with WagerWeb apparently they are not interested. Who is being fair here?

By the way, SBR has never asked for a penny of this settlement -

WAGERWEB SUCKS!!!!!!!!

**Justin7** · 01-05-08, 04:19 PM

I spoke with someone from Wager Web. They haven't given me the final say on what they are doing regarding a settlement.

They did tell me that this same player had 3 accounts at BetOnSports, and beat them out of $157k via past-posting. Wager Web also disclosed that there was another dispute with OSGA and this same player regarding past posting, which the player lost as well.

As I said earlier, this is a software problem in ASI. Any book not running a tight ship is vulnerable to this.

**Dark Horse** · 01-05-08, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by Justin7

They did tell me that this same player had 3 accounts at BetOnSports, and beat them out of $157k via past-posting. Wager Web also disclosed that there was another dispute with OSGA and this same player regarding past posting, which the player lost as well.

If true, that changes things. A long history of consciously preying on this weakness tilts the balance more towards WW in my mind.

**Rand790** · 01-05-08, 06:25 PM

Wow! What does BetonSports have to do with anything.......last I checked they were out of business.

Bottom line is WagerWeb accepted my plays, took my action and my money was at risk - let's stay focused here!

Have we forgotten what the issue is here....................

**marc** · 01-05-08, 06:38 PM

I used to play at wagerweb until the line manager JT, cut my limits to $1. JT was at leats "kind" enough to pro rate the bnus I had been offered. WW has a history of booting players and confiscating bonuses.
I was booted for betting a nickel or a dime at a time on the money lines. I was also betting on NBA first half money lines.

I was only doing slightly better than breaking even. I'd love to know how someone is obviously betting size and winning managed to avoid scrutiny for so long.

I have a hard time believing that WW didn't know what was going on. I think they decided long ago that they weren't going to pay this guy, and just decided to have fun with him.

WW has done a lot of sleazy thing in the past. It doesn't suprise me one bit that they won't pay this player. I think even some reputable books would refuse to pay this player in full. WHat players need to remember is that there is no law obligating books to pay. The only reason why books ever pay is either becaus ethey have integrity, or becaus eit makes business sense to do so. But if you give them a good enough reason not to pay, good luck collecting

**Dark Horse** · 01-05-08, 07:01 PM

Originally posted by WagerWeb SUCKS!!

Wow! What does BetonSports have to do with anything.......last I checked they were out of business.

Bottom line is WagerWeb accepted my plays, took my action and my money was at risk - let's stay focused here!

Have we forgotten what the issue is here....................

Well, if it's true you're a pro shot taker. With your edge your money, over the large number of bets that you placed this way, was never at risk. That is only true on an individual bet-by-bet basis. My earlier impression was that you came across this weakness at WW and then went with it. But that doesn't seem to be the case. It now seems that you're actively preying for books with this weakness. In my mind that changes everything, because it makes you a thief. WW is still responsible for its own weakness, so they have to give you something, but please don't play the 'my money was at risk' card.

I hope your background check is made public here. It would seem that, if you stole several hundred thousand from books in this way, you're not going to get a whole lot of sympathy.