Avoid Wagerweb

[pavyracer]

Both book and player. In this case, the player was watching a team score, and the book didn't realize the game was still open. Under those facts, I call bullshit on the player.

Are we as players now supposed to be policing the bookies websites for open lines after kickoff times? When I bet on a game that is not televised I have no clue when the kickoff time is especially when I am betting 2H lines. If the bookies don't get their act together and invest in improving their software to not allow these accidents to happen it is not the players responsibility to inform them. Pay the man and then kick him off if you think he beat you unfairly.

Did the bookie refund any losing bets that were placed after kick off?

[Bill Dozer]

Wagerweb told us today that there should be a fair resolution and we will continue to work on the issue.
So what has the outcome been?

By the way I think the only proper solution is if the book cancels all the past posted losing wagers and honours the winning ones! High class bookmakers do this!

On Friday we were told they were finalizing a settlement that evening have not received anything further. We will call mgt again in the afternoon.

[jobee]

Any proof of this?

Have you ever been to horse racing? If so, ever wondered why many try to get their bet on as late as possible?

The more I read this story the more ridiculous I think those are that are even one second siding with the book. Obviously there are more customers betting late. Will they have given back the money to those that lost?

Betting late is one thing - I'll bet on anything as late as I need to get an advantage. Past posting is another, it is taking a shot. Most people who do it - and I admit I have from time to time - do it in the knowledge that the bet will most likely be voided and the account may well not be usuable afterwards.

I use a clock and TV pictures when betting up to the wire. It's really my responsibility to know when something starts, especially if placing large bets.

[eric dy]

WAGERWEB took over 60 "late" plays and when the customer wanted to collect they said "we aren't going to pay." Come on.....if you leave the games up on the board than you must pay them. Or, I could understand if the book contacted the player immediately after they took the action and said this game is cancelled because it was late, but not after 60 games later..........

[Shark79]

This thread should be closed ... customer is a typical shot taker ... all shot takers should be ban from forums ... gives a bad name for us respected players. Eric .. why r u so worried about the outcome? are u getting piece of the dough??

[bigboydan]

This thread should be closed ... customer is a typical shot taker ... all shot takers should be ban from forums ... gives a bad name for us respected players. Eric .. why r u so worried about the outcome? are u getting piece of the dough??

No doubt about this player taking a shot at WagerWeb. However the book fired shots right back as well, and robbed this player of his money. Because their clerks were not on the ball when they were doing their job.

I'm sorry, but you don't wait 60 to 70 wagers later and then pull a stunt like that!

[acw]

Here in Asia the books do not have the luxury of being able to see when second half American sports (for me mainly NBA) restart and will easily leave a match up for another minute (in which a lot can happen). Very nice if you are in the stadium or have a real live feed, but I do not

I use a clock and TV pictures when betting up to the wire. It's really my responsibility to know when something starts, especially if placing large bets.

Me too, I have all sorts of live scores up to get an idea of when a match is about to restart for the simple reason that I do not wish to bet when a match has restarted, as I will be betting against crowd that is in the stadiums. Here in Asia where they do proper bookmaking, the books automatically move the price on big bets, so whenever the so-called shot takers have a go, the other side will look too good.

I am not at all happy with these shot takers. Betfair is so full of them that I do not even use it any longer. At the same time Justin7 is of the opinion that if one makes an Even Money bet at a 67% chance read 33% advantage, then one is a criminal. I do not wish to be a criminal, so I no longer bet these huge advantages, but stick to the minor ones. Proper books will avoid these edges, so I should be safe.

[sean72]

This thread should be closed ... customer is a typical shot taker ... all shot takers should be ban from forums ... gives a bad name for us respected players. Eric .. why r u so worried about the outcome? are u getting piece of the dough??

Wagerweb is the shot taker here and they are the ones who should be geting canned here not the player
The player saw an advantage and took it ist that what betting is all about getting the best possible advantage possible

[Shark79]

BBD and Sean ...

He got what he tried with the book ... I see it fair ... Shot taker got the same result from the book ... plain and simple

[bigboydan]

The book clearly had the same advantage as the player did. In fact they probably had a better one, because they had the option whether to book the bet or not.

Here is a picture of the WagerWeb offices.



Is it just me or do you guys see the TV screens spread out throughout the clerks work stations in this picture?

[eric dy]

Shark, more than likely, you work for WAGERWEB, so your opinion here doesn't really matter.

Bottom line is the sportsbook took the action and should pay the player.

SBR obviously agrees since they downgraded them from a B- to a C sportsbook. You should agree also.

[Patrick McIrish]

One of the oldest bookie tricks around. Make "honest mistake" and use it to your advantage. You have perfect freeroll opportunity. If WW doesn't pay this debt they are flat out stealing, no other way to put it. Please keep us posted.

[Shark79]

Shark, more than likely, you work for WAGERWEB, so your opinion here doesn't really matter.

Bottom line is the sportsbook took the action and should pay the player.

SBR obviously agrees since they downgraded them from a B- to a C sportsbook. You should agree also.

No I do not ... I just dont agree on taking cheap @ss shots at books ... players that do this are simply losers ...

[Pareto]

Shark, more than likely, you work for WAGERWEB, so your opinion here doesn't really matter.

You are calling other people biased!?!

[bigboydan]

No I do not ... I just dont agree on taking cheap @ss shots at books ... players that do this are simply losers ...

I could make a strong case for books that do the same thing though (hence this particular dispute).

[Shark79]

I could make a strong case for books that do the same thing though (hence this particular dispute).

BBD in either case .. if the player takes the shot or viceversa ... these should be players or books banned from forums ... and please understand that I am NOT in favor of WW ... but a shot was taken to them .. and they paid back .. simple as that. He deserves the outcome ... he knew that what he did was NOT proper but he still pulled the cats tail until it bit him.

[pavyracer]

Here in Asia the books do not have the luxury of being able to see when second half American sports (for me mainly NBA) restart and will easily leave a match up for another minute (in which a lot can happen). Very nice if you are in the stadium or have a real live feed, but I do not

Me too, I have all sorts of live scores up to get an idea of when a match is about to restart for the simple reason that I do not wish to bet when a match has restarted, as I will be betting against crowd that is in the stadiums. Here in Asia where they do proper bookmaking, the books automatically move the price on big bets, so whenever the so-called shot takers have a go, the other side will look too good.

I am not at all happy with these shot takers. Betfair is so full of them that I do not even use it any longer. At the same time Justin7 is of the opinion that if one makes an Even Money bet at a 67% chance read 33% advantage, then one is a criminal. I do not wish to be a criminal, so I no longer bet these huge advantages, but stick to the minor ones. Proper books will avoid these edges, so I should be safe.

Really? What will really happen the first minute of a 2nd half of an NBA game? 100 points will be scored and over is covered? Or Lebron James get 5 fouls in a row and fouls out? If you don't know when 2nd half starts DON'T PUT UP A LINE and safe yourself the trouble of taking a shot at the player!

[pavyracer]

Here in Asia the books do not have the luxury of being able to see when second half American sports (for me mainly NBA) restart and will easily leave a match up for another minute (in which a lot can happen). Very nice if you are in the stadium or have a real live feed, but I do not

Me too, I have all sorts of live scores up to get an idea of when a match is about to restart for the simple reason that I do not wish to bet when a match has restarted, as I will be betting against crowd that is in the stadiums. Here in Asia where they do proper bookmaking, the books automatically move the price on big bets, so whenever the so-called shot takers have a go, the other side will look too good.

I am not at all happy with these shot takers. Betfair is so full of them that I do not even use it any longer. At the same time Justin7 is of the opinion that if one makes an Even Money bet at a 67% chance read 33% advantage, then one is a criminal. I do not wish to be a criminal, so I no longer bet these huge advantages, but stick to the minor ones. Proper books will avoid these edges, so I should be safe.

Really? What will really happen the first minute of a 2nd half of an NBA game? 100 points will be scored and over is covered? Or Lebron James gets 5 fouls in a row and fouls out? If you don't know when 2nd half starts DON'T PUT UP A LINE and safe yourself the trouble of taking a shot at the player!

[pavyracer]

The book clearly had the same advantage as the player did. In fact they probably had a better one, because they had the option whether to book the bet or not.

Here is a picture of the WagerWeb offices.



Is it just me or do you guys see the TV screens spread out throughout the clerks work stations in this picture?

Did you see how may empty computer desks they have? No wonder they can't close the lines on time. What a joke.

[Bill Dozer]

Did you see how may empty computer desks they have? No wonder they can't close the lines on time. What a joke.

A lot of the seats are empty in our photos. We tend to get those during off-season and during the day before the busiest shift.

[Doug]

The book clearly had the same advantage as the player did. In fact they probably had a better one, because they had the option whether to book the bet or not.

Here is a picture of the WagerWeb offices.



Is it just me or do you guys see the TV screens spread out throughout the clerks work stations in this picture?

Good point !

[eric dy]

Any update to this case with WAGERWEB?

[robmpink]

Any update to this case with WAGERWEB?

Why? Are you going to make a deposit with them? Is your boyfriend getting inpatient?

[Doug]

Maybe they need to steal some money to update their computer monitors ?

[increasedodds]

Anything other than full payment is theft by wagerweb.

This player did not use a false name, fake accounts, etc.

He placed bets and wagerweb took the bets.

The only time I see a reason to void a bet is if a crazy bad line is placed online (+10 instead of -10). I have no problem with that.

If you allow a person to bet after the game starts, that is your problem. It is not as if NFL games start at 2:37 and 5:43. If you don't want people betting late, just cut off at 1 and 4.

Further, this guy called in the bets. It is your problem if you have dumb clerks.

There is nothing wrong with a bettor trying to get an advantage.

I would recommend no one use wagerweb till they pay this guy. I agreed with their ruling on the bonus issue a few months ago, but this is bullshit and they know it.

[eric dy]

1,000% agree with INCREASE ODDS....................

[Doug]

I have to think the book is struggling to do this.

[chano]

Maybe they need to steal some money to update their computer monitors ?

You think better monitors will make this place a better book. Use your brains will ya.

[Doug]

I'm not saying better monitors would make them a better book,C'mon man !

I used to play at this book extensively when we had NT. They always paid fine, but were a bit sloppy.

They used to allow tons of correlated parlays, and pay them.

Now they appear to have hit hard times, but not because of clunky old CRT's, photo may be old anyway.

I'll never go back to WW, and I was there when they were Casablanca.

[Bill Dozer]

Wagerweb reneged on giving a resolution. I have stayed late in the office 3 times in the past 2 week waiting for their conclusion or updates they said would arrive. It would seem WW thinks they are in better shape with their decision pending. I see the player is in email communication again.
Regardless, they confirmed they won't be paying on bets where there was no score or taking the general stance that they are part responsible and therefore should pay that part.

[Dark Horse]

I have stayed late in the office 3 times in the past 2 week waiting for their conclusion or updates they said would arrive.

Once could be a mistake, twice a coincidence, but three times is definitely on purpose. They're giving SBR the big ol' F you.

Classless book through and through.

[Stevee]

Being new to this website, I cannot believe the value. I have just found three sportsbooks that I will now never play with in the past 20 minutes. This is so valuable - I will not be sending WAGERWEB any of my money - thank you.

[bigboydan]

Add WagerWeb to the robbery list of books.

[Justin7]

bigboydan,

I'm struggling with this dispute. I'm apparently the only mod who thinks WagerWeb acted fairly on this. I'd appreciate it if you'd give more explanation on your opinion, since you feel equally strong about the "robbery" as I do about the "fair bet cancellations".

WagerWeb had a clear rule: no past-posting, and "wager web will not honor past-posted events". It's a fair rule, and crystal clear. There were *0* complaints from people who lost a past-posted wager that wasn't cancelled.

WagerWeb didn't know these past-posts were occurring. NO MORON IN THE WORLD would continue taking these, if you what the player was doing. From everything I saw, I can only conclude that they were 1. incompetent on risk management, but 2. were not aware what the player was doing. The player on the other hand, was clearly 1. past-posting in violation of their rules, and 2. only doing it with a monster advantage.

I have seen the business end of a sportsbook. Most phone clerks are bored, often cannot read English and could care less if a player past-posted them. I can see with crystal clarity how this probably happened. It was only possible with a failure at the management level, and a player that was trying to cheat by systematically past-posting through a bug in ASI. Between the two, Wagerweb was dumb, but the player was evil. How can you call this robbery? They canceled all the losing wagers as well.

If a "bad guy" screws a "dumb guy", but breaks the law doing it, everyone agrees with the "dumb guy".

Bigboy (and all who disagree with me), do you SERIOUSLY THINK WW knew what this player was doing, and allowed it to take a shot? I don't want to waste time on that absurdity, unless this is a serious point of contention.

SBR is a beacon of light in the darkness. It is our job to cast light on the evils so that they show their true colors. SBR has done more than any other force to ensure the integrity of the offshore betting world. A bad SBR rating will destroy an evil sportsbook over time... But is WW truly evil? If SBR is going to succeed, it must always be fair in its assessment and reasoning.

BBD, think and reconsider. Is this truly a robbery?

[acw]

WagerWeb didn't know these past-posts were occurring.

Lets for a second assume that this is true, (though to say it a la halifax I consider it 99% unlikely), then probably there are other clients that will have been betting a bit late too. Many that will have lost. Did Wagerweb make any efforts refunding those losses?