Hillary is done

[Deuce]

More laughable content ive never read. if facts bother you, just ignore them, that seems you be your motto. talking to republicans so extreme is a joke. our country is an embarrassment right now. let me guess, you think Gore is an idiot but Bush is brilliant? meanwhile, the brightest minds in the world award him the nobel peace prize and bush fumbles around reading words like strategy. another liberal media guy, brain washing at its best. when you've got an original thought, please share it. I try to avoid these threads, but this one was just heading in such a silly direction. I have trouble understanding how some people are able to breathe properly.

I did not once say Bush was the man or that this country needs to stay its course. This country needs a new leader plain and simple. Bush has done nothing positive as of late and has no plan of action. The governments infrastructure needs to be shook up a bit. Not drastic like said liberals have planned. Drastic change would shut this country down and send it into another depression. Guaranteed.

Gore is a clown. Global warming is not as extreme as he likes to portray. The Earth has a climatic cycle. Greenhouse gas certainly does not help anything but global warming is honestly a joke. Show me valid proof that it does.

I also assume you would like to see immediate release of troops in Iraq. Explain to me how this will exactly work. You go in there successfully de-thrown a dictator and have no plan to restore order. Now you can't pin this just on Bush because majority of liberals voted in favor of this as well. This leaves a country in shambles and a hot bed for terror. Just leave now. Might as well right?

[Panic]

More laughable content ive never read. if facts bother you, just ignore them, that seems you be your motto. talking to republicans so extreme is a joke. our country is an embarrassment right now. let me guess, you think Gore is an idiot but Bush is brilliant? meanwhile, the brightest minds in the world award him the nobel peace prize and bush fumbles around reading words like strategy. another liberal media guy, brain washing at its best. when you've got an original thought, please share it. I try to avoid these threads, but this one was just heading in such a silly direction. I have trouble understanding how some people are able to breathe properly.

What do you mean our country is an embarrassment? Do you want to burn flags with the kids from Berkley?

We had one terrorist attack on Bush's watch and he got aggressive after it(something Clinton never had the balls to do). Has there been one since? No. But you complain, saying we are in a war we shouldn't be in and Bush is an Idiot, but yet you're able to sleep comfortable at night, knowing you and your family are safe from danger.

Join the global warming movement with Gore and let the rest of us(Republicans) take care of you while you do. That is the democratic party way.

[Deuce]

Obama and Clinton are so much brighter than Bush that its a joke. Bush can't actually speak on any issue. As for bill Clinton, give me a break. Simply put, he was a great president that was lambasted over getting some head while people like yourself defend a man whos slaughtered thousands of innocent men on the cries of terrorism. Clearly ignoring the fact that iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, had no 'nucular' weapons, and was never a threat to us. People so set in their beliefs are scary. mindless defense of a figure it unsettling.

Lest we forget about the Battle of Mogadishu where American boys and girls lost their lives because of Clinton's "mistakes". An American solider was dragged naked through the streets of Somalia. Clinton promised justice. Days later Clinton abruptly pulls out and considers the case closed. Not to mention the 1000 Somali's that died as well. He deemed the 1993 WTC bombings as a criminal act, punished 6, case closed. U.S.S. Cole incident went to the wayside. Bin Laden could have been captured in Sudan, left to wander.

Clinton was not even close to being a "great" president. He happened to be in office during a great economic internet boom. He failed at a lot. His foreign policy was atrocious.

[mofome]

I did not once say Bush was the man or that this country needs to stay its course. This country needs a new leader plain and simple. Bush has done nothing positive as of late and has no plan of action. The governments infrastructure needs to be shook up a bit. Not drastic like said liberals have planned. Drastic change would shut this country down and send it into another depression. Guaranteed.

Gore is a clown. Global warming is not as extreme as he likes to portray. The Earth has a climatic cycle. Greenhouse gas certainly does not help anything but global warming is honestly a joke. Show me valid proof that it does.

I also assume you would like to see immediate release of troops in Iraq. Explain to me how this will exactly work. You go in there successfully de-thrown a dictator and have no plan to restore order. Now you can't pin this just on Bush because majority of liberals voted in favor of this as well. This leaves a country in shambles and a hot bed for terror. Just leave now. Might as well right?

not a bad post, you showed some intelligence and reason which i respect, but some of the projecting of my thoughts was off base.

This country needs a lot of things, it needs better schools, a better plan of action in iraq, better health care policy and so on. Bush has done nothing but tear down some of the most economically strong years this country has seen in some time. as of now, the nation is in shambles and its my belief that we need drastic change. That being said, drastic change doesn't need to take place over night, the plans just have to be significant in their modifications.

Gore is a clown. He wins the Nobel Peace Prize and he's a clown. Hes fooled the brightest minds in the world, but not Deuce. fair enough.

Why assume i would like to see immediate release of the troops? Ive never hinted at anything about that, i simply mentioned that being there is a joke and one of the largest mistakes in our nations history. Nothing more.
Successfully dethrone a dictator? please, define for me the word "successfully'? Having him killed could have been done many times. We're allies with countries that treat their people just as poorly, don't imply that we were there for the poor poor Iraqi citizens. Bush acts were selfish, not selfless. Thousands of Americans have died and, just as importantly, even more Irqis have died for no reason. Whats the plan? this country has been run this way for how long? we've annihilated lives, families, homes, and abandoned many people who helped us with information and have left them to run for the likes of Syria, how lovely. I hear Syria was actually SBRs second choice for this years bash.

As for terror, there are more terrorist in Iraq now than ever and the numbers in Afghanistan are once again growing. The good news is they're now training white people so as not to come up as suspects upon first site. Clearly, our focus should have remained on terror, but it did not.

[Panic]

Lest we forget about the Battle of Mogadishu where American boys and girls lost their lives because of Clinton's "mistakes". An American solider was dragged naked through the streets of Somalia. Clinton promised justice. Days later Clinton abruptly pulls out and considers the case closed. Not to mention the 1000 Somali's that died as well. He deemed the 1993 WTC bombings as a criminal act, punished 6, case closed. U.S.S. Cole incident went to the wayside. Bin Laden could have been captured in Sudan, left to wander.

Clinton was not even close to being a "great" president. He happened to be in office during a great economic internet boom. He failed at a lot. His foreign policy was atrocious.

Get post, Deuce. That's what I'm saying. Clinton never had the balls to do shit. Democratic presidents never do. Republican presidents are the ones who get their hands dirty to keep us safe, but then the bleeding heart liberals come out and cry about it.

[mofome]

What do you mean our country is an embarrassment? Do you want to burn flags with the kids from Berkley?

We had one terrorist attack on Bush's watch and he got aggressive after it(something Clinton never had the balls to do). Has there been one since? No. But you complain, saying we are in a war we shouldn't be in and Bush is an Idiot, but yet you're able to sleep comfortable at night, knowing you and your family are safe from danger.

Join the global warming movement with Gore and let the rest of us(Republicans) take care of you while you do. That is the democratic party way.

You don't know what the word 'embarrassment' means? It means we're an elitist nation of people who think our lives are more valuable than those of people born in other countries. ive got news for you, no one 'deserves' to be an American, you're simply born here by chance. Its an honor, its an honor and a power that is abused to an extent that is absolutely embarrassing. Burn then flag? please, the flag and George Bush do not stand for the same thing. Burn bush? sure, hes a worthless coward.

oh pleeeeease give me a break. has there been one since? was this one not bad enough? measures should have been taken to prevent 9/11, you really think anything in iraq has decreased the chances of future attacks on american soil? thats ignorant. we're hated more now than ever, those attacks have done nothing to prevent terrorism. other measures have, but Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, give me a break with the feel safe to sleep at night bullshit. You act as if prior to 9/11 towers were falling weekly. I assure you, that was not the case.

Let the rep part take care of what? factually, things couldn't be much worse. Then again, who needs facts when you could simply recite this jargon all night long.

[mofome]

Lest we forget about the Battle of Mogadishu where American boys and girls lost their lives because of Clinton's "mistakes". An American solider was dragged naked through the streets of Somalia. Clinton promised justice. Days later Clinton abruptly pulls out and considers the case closed. Not to mention the 1000 Somali's that died as well. He deemed the 1993 WTC bombings as a criminal act, punished 6, case closed. U.S.S. Cole incident went to the wayside. Bin Laden could have been captured in Sudan, left to wander.

Clinton was not even close to being a "great" president. He happened to be in office during a great economic internet boom. He failed at a lot. His foreign policy was atrocious.

Foreign policy? Our relations with other countries are not what they should be. Clinton had knowledge of everything going on, Bush has none. Certainly Clinton made some horrendous mistakes, but we at least had the benefit of a good economy and low unemployment rates. Clinton's actions following the sex scandals deserved talks of impeachment, not the sex itself. Clinton was one of the brightest people we've ever had in office, Bush is the opposite. Hell, if it wasn't for a joke of an electoral system, bush would have just been another runner up.

[Deuce]

not a bad post, you showed some intelligence and reason which i respect, but some of the projecting of my thoughts was off base.

This country needs a lot of things, it needs better schools, a better plan of action in iraq, better health care policy and so on. Bush has done nothing but tear down some of the most economically strong years this country has seen in some time. as of now, the nation is in shambles and its my belief that we need drastic change. That being said, drastic change doesn't need to take place over night, the plans just have to be significant in their modifications.

Gore is a clown. He wins the Nobel Peace Prize and he's a clown. Hes fooled the brightest minds in the world, but not Deuce. fair enough.

Why assume i would like to see immediate release of the troops? Ive never hinted at anything about that, i simply mentioned that being there is a joke and one of the largest mistakes in our nations history. Nothing more.
Successfully dethrone a dictator? please, define for me the word "successfully'? Having him killed could have been done many times. We're allies with countries that treat their people just as poorly, don't imply that we were there for the poor poor Iraqi citizens. Bush acts were selfish, not selfless. Thousands of Americans have died and, just as importantly, even more Irqis have died for no reason. Whats the plan? this country has been run this way for how long? we've annihilated lives, families, homes, and abandoned many people who helped us with information and have left them to run for the likes of Syria, how lovely. I hear Syria was actually SBRs second choice for this years bash.

As for terror, there are more terrorist in Iraq now than ever and the numbers in Afghanistan are once again growing. The good news is they're now training white people so as not to come up as suspects upon first site. Clearly, our focus should have remained on terror, but it did not.

Oddly enough I haven't really heard about Iraq on the news lately. Why is that Mofo? Is it because success is happening? Stuff is starting to fall into place? Don't get me wrong pal, we are far from turning over to their government. Roadside bombs have pretty much stopped, terror is at a minimum. The media blows everything way out of proportion. Imagine the lives saved since the United States has been there instead of imagining death and devastation. You don't think that piece of shit Hussein wouldn't have committed more acts of genocide? C'mon pal.

Some how these images go unseen.

[mofome]

Oddly enough I haven't really heard about Iraq on the news lately. Why is that Mofo? Is it because success is happening? Stuff is starting to fall into place? Don't get me wrong pal, we are far from turning over to their government. Roadside bombs have pretty much stopped, terror is at a minimum. The media blows everything way out of proportion. Imagine the lives saved since the United States has been there instead of imagining death and devastation. You don't think that piece of shit Hussein wouldn't have committed more acts of genocide? C'mon pal.

Some how these images go unseen.

a game of pulling pics is not a game we want to play. I understand that the troops do some good there, they're good people. The plan was what was flawed. No need to delve into the torture over there and the rules of war we've seemingly ignored.


American Soldier showing a severed Iraqi arm hung in a mosque to terrorise the Iraqi resistance


Iraqi man beheaded with gunfire at an American checkpoint.





believe it or not, i dont think this is how these human beings deserve to be treated. i love all the tough guy republican talk from panic. easy to be tough when you're living here.

[Deuce]

We're there for them. Until they realize this, there will be violence. There is no other reason why we are there. People are not killed for no reason Mofo. Unless they are a threat to American lives they are not killed. You acted like we are there for oil. If thats the case, why did I pay $3.19 a gallon yesterday?

[Panic]

You don't know what the word 'embarrassment' means? It means we're an elitist nation of people who think our lives are more valuable than those of people born in other countries. ive got news for you, no one 'deserves' to be an American, you're simply born here by chance. Its an honor, its an honor and a power that is abused to an extent that is absolutely embarrassing. Burn then flag? please, the flag and George Bush do not stand for the same thing. Burn bush? sure, hes a worthless coward.

oh pleeeeease give me a break. has there been one since? was this one not bad enough? measures should have been taken to prevent 9/11, you really think anything in iraq has decreased the chances of future attacks on american soil? thats ignorant. we're hated more now than ever, those attacks have done nothing to prevent terrorism. other measures have, but Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, give me a break with the feel safe to sleep at night bullshit. You act as if prior to 9/11 towers were falling weekly. I assure you, that was not the case.

Let the rep part take care of what? factually, things couldn't be much worse. Then again, who needs facts when you could simply recite this jargon all night long.

George Bush doesnt stand for the flag? What?! You love all my tough republican talk?

How about this Mo, name me the last Democratic president that served in the military.(since Bush doesnt stand for the flag)..how about your precious Clinton who avoided the draft?

[mofome]

We're there for them. Until they realize this, there will be violence. There is no other reason why we are there. People are not killed for no reason Mofo. Unless they are a threat to American lives they are not killed. You acted like we are there for oil. If thats the case, why did I pay $3.19 a gallon yesterday?

Absolute nonsense. We're there for them? Thats just a complete ****ing joke. We went on the wings of terrorism, that was seen to be a joke, so now we're there for them. odd how some try to put makeup on a pig, but thats what reps are left to work with. Unless they are a threat to american lives they are not killed? Who gives you your news, Bush, dr seuss, or Disney?

[Deuce]

Absolute nonsense. We're there for them? Thats just a complete ****ing joke. We went on the wings of terrorism, that was seen to be a joke, so now we're there for them. odd how some try to put makeup on a pig, but thats what reps are left to work with. Unless they are a threat to american lives they are not killed? Who gives you your news, Bush, dr seuss, or Disney?

Haha, you always fail to answer and yet beat around my question to you. Why is Iraq not in the news? Why am I paying so much for gasoline?

Blame George Bush. Easiest.

[mofome]

George Bush doesnt stand for the flag? What?! You love all my tough republican talk?

How about this Mo, name me the last Democratic president that served in the military.(since Bush doesnt stand for the flag)..how about your precious Clinton who avoided the draft?

If i could have made a post to reply to, this would have been it. Oh how niave, mr panic. Bush dodged the draft and then wasn't even able to serve honorably in the guard. more comical still, bush becomes the first president to ever send the National Guard into a war zone. Yes, let me repeat. Bush uses this outfit to dodge the draft, he then becomes the first man to send this unit to a war zone. you couldn't script a more laughable chain of events.

thanks for your post.

[mofome]

Haha, you always fail to answer and yet beat around my question to you. Why is Iraq not in the news? Why am I paying so much for gasoline?

Blame George Bush. Easiest.

Fail to answer your question? What kind of response do you think your content truly requires? You claim that we're now there for the Iraqi people and that the only Iraqi people that are killed are ones that posed a threat to American lives. All that drivel deserves is a (lmao) or a smiley. Come on man. "shock and awe" me.

[Panic]

If i could have made a post to reply to, this would have been it. Oh how niave, mr panic. Bush dodged the draft and then wasn't even able to serve honorably in the guard. more comical still, bush becomes the first president to ever send the National Guard into a war zone. Yes, let me repeat. Bush uses this outfit to dodge the draft, he then becomes the first man to send this unit to a war zone. you couldn't script a more laughable chain of events.

thanks for your post.

Might want to read some of these replys. Just so you know I'm not the only one who knows what Clinton is. (Take notice in the Marine corp guy who responds and the girl using the name irishlas, who marks Clintons digrace from the military and our country.) And they talk about your lame Bush argument.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080219103357AAqurNP

[mofome]

Might want to read some of these replys. Just so you know I'm not the only one who knows what Clinton is. (Take notice in the Marine corp guy who responds and the girl using the name irishlas, who marks Clintons digrace from the military and our country.) And they talk about your lame Bush argument.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...9103357AAqurNP

oh wow, now thats tough stuff to refute there. i suddenly feel like im in over my head.

[Panic]

oh wow, now thats tough stuff to refute there. i suddenly feel like im in over my head.

Yeah, I didnt think you could refute this:


BILL CLINTON THE FIRST PARDONED FEDERAL FELLON TO SERVE AS PRESIDENT OF THE USA!!
-Bill CLinton reg for the draft Sep 8 1964
-classified as 2S on Nov 17 1964
-classified as1A Mar 20 1968
-ordered to report for induction on Jul 28 1969
-dishoners to report and is not in military
-reclassified in military and swears an oath to enlist in US Reserves by Col. Holmes
-Fails to report for duty in Sep 1969 at Univ. of Ark
-Oct 30 1969 becomes AWOL subject to arrest under US Public Law 90-40
-Clintons birthdate lottery number is drawn for Vietnam on Dec 1 1969
-Clinton runs for Congress in 1974 as a fugitive
-Clinton runs for Ark Attorney General 1976 as a fugitive
-Clinton recieves pardon from Carter on Jan 21 1977
- Bill Clinton is nothing but a coward... who ran to England and put his life before his country.

[mofome]

Yeah, I didnt think you could refute this:


BILL CLINTON THE FIRST PARDONED FEDERAL FELLON TO SERVE AS PRESIDENT OF THE USA!!
-Bill CLinton reg for the draft Sep 8 1964
-classified as 2S on Nov 17 1964
-classified as1A Mar 20 1968
-ordered to report for induction on Jul 28 1969
-dishoners to report and is not in military
-reclassified in military and swears an oath to enlist in US Reserves by Col. Holmes
-Fails to report for duty in Sep 1969 at Univ. of Ark
-Oct 30 1969 becomes AWOL subject to arrest under US Public Law 90-40
-Clintons birthdate lottery number is drawn for Vietnam on Dec 1 1969
-Clinton runs for Congress in 1974 as a fugitive
-Clinton runs for Ark Attorney General 1976 as a fugitive
-Clinton recieves pardon from Carter on Jan 21 1977
- Bill Clinton is nothing but a coward... who ran to England and put his life before his country.

no way, i feel like i went from the kiddie pool right into a shark tank! omg! how could i possibly reply to that stuff? i mean i could just post a 45 page book on the embarrassment that is george bush, but id be leaving my readers short about 90 pages of worthwhile content, and i simply don't have time to write 135 pages. My readers are important to me, panic. btw, i like how georgie dodging in 'lame', but Clinton is a cowardice scumbag! If i knew how to copy and paste links, id clean you up in this debate. Ill look at my pcs manual and get back to you.

[mofome]

welp panic and deuce, it was fun. i respect the fact that you each care enough about the country to keep up with some of whats going on. i'll never be too upset with people who are somewhat proactive, educated, and are able to debate without name calling. if the root of your beliefs is what benefits the most people, then i'll certainly respect the foundation of your beliefs even if i tend not to agree with the means.

all the best, time to lay it down.

[Deuce]

welp panic and deuce, it was fun. i respect the fact that you each care enough about the country to keep up with some of whats going on. i'll never be too upset with people who are somewhat proactive, educated, and are able to debate without name calling. if the root of your beliefs is what benefits the most people, then i'll certainly respect the foundation of your beliefs even if i tend not to agree with the means.

all the best, time to lay it down.

Agree to disagree, they are both deadbeats. We have not had a solid leader since Reagan. Enough said, case closed.

[hoopster42]

propoganda machine, oh my

[LVHerbie]

Ohio and Texas are looking really big for Hillary right now... Obama is starting to make these interesting...

[slacker00]

The Clinton's are far from perfect. Just because he was in office when there was an internet boom doesn't make him the best president ever.

That's right. The internet boom ended 8 years ago, exactly. Damn, I missed it.

He has a lot of failures that went unsaid including him for being a major factor in the rise of the Taliban.

B.S.

Obama can't debate to save his life. He excels in speeches that he does not even write. I am really embarrassed that these 3 bumbling idiots are the best Americans could come up with. God help us.

Who was the last president that actually wrote 100% of his speeches from scratch? The point made earlier, was that GWB doesn't write anything. He's basically as much a writer as a local news broadcaster reading a telepromter.



Don't get me wrong, I'm neither liberal or conservative. But, the far left & right crackpots make the stupidest arguments possible.

FWIW, for the liberals, if you're gonna bash GWB, find a better argument than the price of oil. That one is very weak.

[Illusion]

More bad news for Hillary, the teamsters union will annouce later today that they will endorse Barack Obama.

[Glenn Danzig]

I am a republican but will be voting for Obama this year. I just can't stand another old white man as my president for the next four years.

[slacker00]

I did not once say Bush was the man or that this country needs to stay its course. This country needs a new leader plain and simple. Bush has done nothing positive as of late and has no plan of action. The governments infrastructure needs to be shook up a bit.

Finally something I can agree about.

Not drastic like said liberals have planned. Drastic change would shut this country down and send it into another depression. Guaranteed.

D'OH!

I'm not sure which "liberal" plan you are talking about. But, if you consider the last democratic presidency, we were far from another depression. Silly neocon tripe you're spewing.

Gore is a clown. Global warming is not as extreme as he likes to portray. The Earth has a climatic cycle. Greenhouse gas certainly does not help anything but global warming is honestly a joke. Show me valid proof that it does.

If you can't find proof, you haven't been looking. I just did a google and this was the first one I clicked.

http://www.environmentaldefense.org/page.cfm?tagID=1011

I also assume you would like to see immediate release of troops in Iraq. Explain to me how this will exactly work. You go in there successfully de-thrown a dictator and have no plan to restore order. Now you can't pin this just on Bush because majority of liberals voted in favor of this as well. This leaves a country in shambles and a hot bed for terror. Just leave now. Might as well right?

We can't leave Iraq. This is one issue where I agree with the hawks, as much as I can't stand those people. We broke it, we bought it. It's going to cost a ton of $$$. This is lose-lose, but we knew that going in, or at least we shoulda. One more reason I cannot forgive Hillary.

[babaoriley]

Oil has nothing to do with the president. It has everything to do with consumption.

Not that I care to continue this banter after reading the rest of this thread, but I think you are missing my point: Bush's approval rating will decline because of this oil hike. I never said that the record prices were solely related to Bush, but that as the face of the nation, he will be held accountable by the American people. Whether that is justifiable is certainly questionable, but the fact remains that any president will face praise in times of feast and criticism in times of famine, deserved or undeserved. It's the nature of the beast.

That said, your characterization of the nature of oil prices is laughingly naive. Are you implying that geopolitical forces are completely benign in terms of their influence on oil prices? If there was a straight consumption-to-price correlation then the market for oil futures speculation would be absolutely pointless.

P.S. By painting a world into black and white; your opinion vs. that of what you referred to as "liberal hippies", you're completely undermining the rest of your argument. Speaking in absolutes is never a good idea, but even less so when you're trying to combat what you feel to be irrational thought. It's the easiest possible way to disable your credibility as a rational thinker.

[ritehook]

I only hijack threads when they're on their last legs. And as I did want to slightly revise my doggerel after Sen Clinton's bad Wisky loss, I present it here anew.

To the rhythm of the immortal nursery rhyme, Hickory, Dickory, Dock:

Hillary. look at the clock -
You lost again to Barak.
If you lose just two more
Then like that Monica whore
You'll have to go down on Bill's c---!

Cmon, Hilly, we're pulling for you in Texas and Ohio. So you can avoid that proverbial Fate Worse than Death!

[Deuce]

Not that I care to continue this banter after reading the rest of this thread, but I think you are missing my point: Bush's approval rating will decline because of this oil hike. I never said that the record prices were solely related to Bush, but that as the face of the nation, he will be held accountable by the American people. Whether that is justifiable is certainly questionable, but the fact remains that any president will face praise in times of feast and criticism in times of famine, deserved or undeserved. It's the nature of the beast.

That said, your characterization of the nature of oil prices is laughingly naive. Are you implying that geopolitical forces are completely benign in terms of their influence on oil prices? If there was a straight consumption-to-price correlation then the market for oil futures speculation would be absolutely pointless.

P.S. By painting a world into black and white; your opinion vs. that of what you referred to as "liberal hippies", you're completely undermining the rest of your argument. Speaking in absolutes is never a good idea, but even less so when you're trying to combat what you feel to be irrational thought. It's the easiest possible way to disable your credibility as a rational thinker.

Of course you're gonna blame the president when oil prices hike. Who else do you turn and blame? That being said, the oil companies such as those in South America and Middle East have raised the price due to the cosumption in the United States and mostly China. Because Bush has ties to oil wealth, he immediatly gets kicked in the balls.

[babaoriley]

Of course you're gonna blame the president when oil prices hike. Who else do you turn and blame? That being said, the oil companies such as those in South America and Middle East have raised the price due to the cosumption in the United States and mostly China. Because Bush has ties to oil wealth, he immediatly gets kicked in the balls.

Bush is still partly responsible for the oil prices due to the geopolitical unrest and the general murky perception of the US abroad, but to place all the blame of rising oil prices on him is absurd and gravely incorrect. The US president is the most powerful person in the world and as such, he deserves some of the blame for image and bargaining problems, but even the US president cannot completely control the market for the most valued commodity on the planet. On that point, I think we're in agreement.

[Glenn Danzig]

Does anyone know why the US oil companies haven’t built a single new refinery in the US since the early 1970’s?

Answer: The US oil companies make more profit by refining crude in foreign refineries and transporting gas in the US from overseas and therefore keeping the price of gas high and inflating their profits. The price of gas in the US is high because there is no infrastructure to meet the demand, which the oil companies don’t want to upgrade to keep the prices high.

[Deuce]

Does anyone know why the US oil companies haven’t built a single new refinery in the US since the early 1970’s?

Answer: The US oil companies make more profit by refining crude in foreign refineries and transporting gas in the US from overseas and therefore keeping the price of gas high and inflating their profits. The price of gas in the US is high because there is no infrastructure to meet the demand, which the oil companies don’t want to upgrade to keep the prices high.

Because the assholes down south don't want a refinery in their back yards. They refuse to have one zoned in. The refineries destroyed during Katrina have not been replaced still. Dismal. Buried. Doomed.

[Willie Bee]

Does anyone know why the US oil companies haven’t built a single new refinery in the US since the early 1970’s?

Answer: The US oil companies make more profit by refining crude in foreign refineries and transporting gas in the US from overseas and therefore keeping the price of gas high and inflating their profits. The price of gas in the US is high because there is no infrastructure to meet the demand, which the oil companies don’t want to upgrade to keep the prices high.

Because the assholes down south don't want a refinery in their back yards. They refuse to have one zoned in. The refineries destroyed during Katrina have not been replaced still. Dismal. Buried. Doomed.

Hmm, 'assholes down south' and oil companies choosing to refine as much as they can overseas and tack on costs artificially?

Not true.

Oil companies have been refining more and more overseas for several reasons, one of which is the amazing red tape and lobbying they have to do here in the US to get a new refinery built, not to mention the labor costs once it is built. And not every refinery can process the same type of crude efficiently. Having a single refinery that could process all types of crudes at the same time would be an incredibly vast and expensive complex.

As for us assholes down south, when was the last time you read about California giving the thumbs up to a new refinery in San Diego or San Francisco? Here's another little fact to think about with regards to what Katrina did:

Of the approximately 20 refineries and production facilities along the Gulf Coast -- from Corpus Christi, Texas to Tampa, Fla. -- Katrina temporarily closed nine facilities and shut down two completely, reducing U.S. oil supplies by about 1.4 million barrels a day, or 8 percent of total U.S. production. Oil company officials surveyed their facilities from helicopters and found that the storm's winds had shifted underwater pipelines and unmoored rigs.

A few more refineries were damaged when Rita came in about a month behind Katrina. The technology at some of the refineries is dated, and that is a concern right now especially if another big blow or two hits the TX-LA coast this year.

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Because the assholes down south don't want a refinery in their back yards. They refuse to have one zoned in. The refineries destroyed during Katrina have not been replaced still. Dismal. Buried. Doomed.

Deuce, I was with you until this statement. The ones who voted against refineries was California. They said let Texas do all that and let the californians reap the rewards. The goverment said, "sorry, No Way". Texas put alot of the refineries in their state, why do you think their cost of gallon per gas is 2.90 and California's is 4.30? California is the one who said, "WE will NOT put a refinrey in our state, BUT WE WANT the same low price that Texas pays for gas." **** that. California can go **** themselves.