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I received payment from betonstars, never went down the merchant code route
kenny
I received payment from betonstars, never went down the merchant code route
kenny
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:0000032: Fantastic news!Comment -
If you have a book's neteller merchant code, it's quite easy checking their exact balance. Just request a withdrawal using the merchant code and keep lowering the amount until the request is accepted (pending that is).Originally posted by freebieComment -
They must have another merchant account. I just checked their account and there is less than $2500 thereComment -
Good show Marc.
Well at least they are trying and that's a real good sign. They need to have a big win this weekend. They are putting some final payments off until Monday which will work if they can win some on Sunday.Comment -
I often get that message when I try over $2500 at Hollywood, because they seem to be only allowed to send $2500 per payout.Comment -
A lot of books have that $2500 limit which I do not understand. It makes them look like small timers. I guess only a few have higher limits. Whats Pinnacles $30k and $8k for Oly or something like that?Comment -
Hello Everyone my Name is johnny. I AM the owner of Bet on Stars. It is time to set the record straight. I thank all those who have supported us, and I want to go after those who talk bull$%$. If you have a question ask ME. For an update on the net teller it is quite easy. When we started we had 90% cash players through Western Union and Solid Pay. Since about Dec 16, 2005 Net teller accounts for over 90% of all our payouts. We get a lot of money through Solid Pay and Directeller, but all requests are now through Net Teller. What happened is that we were taken by surprise and our accounts were off balance. We tried to do transfer from our other merchant accounts but they take 4 days. Thats no good, because it is too slow. So I decided once and for all to manage a nice cash position in the net teller. This will solve the problem.
Now about Jay. He is done in this business period. Thats it. We love the guy and he loves us but frankly he told me that he wants to get into other line of work. One day when you guys spend 5-6 years in this business you will realize that people get burned out. I got burned out 6 years ago and left the country. I was a top manager but had enough. It happens guys. This aside, his leaving has no weight on the company. We have a good management team, and we have a strong leader, ME. I dont bullsh%^^ or waste peoples time. In the last 24 hours we have taken care of more than $10,000 in payouts and are taking care of the rest in the next 24-48 hours. If we rip someone off, then say something bad. If we steal say something bad. I hate to disappoint the non-believers but we are here to stay. We have plenty of money to back us, and we have learned from our mistakes the hard way. You guys do not make it easy but I do appreciate the pressure because you guys watch each others backs. I respect that. I am here and I am rock solid. All I have is my word. I thank all of you for all comments good or bad. The truth is our best weapon as well as what we do to fix these kinds of problems. I look after my players and will NEVER fail to pay someone...
JOhnnyComment -
As much as Jay could be difficult, is never good when a forum pressance leaves a new book. Am glad the owner is at least making himself available, but the only thing that counts with a new book is payouts.Comment -
Johnny:
I've not yet played with your book. My position with sportsbooks is if they survive their first superbowl (and a month or so after), they're probably safe enough to play with. That said, I'll see you in March ;-)
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Good post, Johnny. Hopefully the payments will be made and hopefully the ship will start steering towards calmer waters.
However, this whole thing is a mess. Some people might call it an agenda-driven drive by SBR but things just aren't right - there are communication issues which are making you look foolish to say the least.
On 14/01/06, TOW (via RPM) reports that the GM Jay had left the company.
Later that day, TOW (via RPM) reports that the GM Jay hadn't left the company after all. In the same post, RPM states that there isn't a slow-pay situation at BetonStars.
Later still that day, jay88 states that he's not the GM at all and says "I haven't left betonstars".
Today you're saying that you're the GM (I presume you're the owner/GM). Also you say that Jay has left the company. Also you admit to slow-pay issues.
If TOW are fighting your corner, that's all well and good. But if they write "facts" one day that turn out to be untruths 4 days later then that damages your opertation immensely. A lot of books have slow pay issues - even some of the good ones like WTTS, Intertops etc. - so it's nothing to be ashamed of. You screwed up, admit it and move on - no-one will remember it 6 months down the line. But what people won't forget is the third person stories reported which turn out to be BS.
But seriously, good luck for the future.Originally posted by pags11Originally posted by BuddyBearOriginally posted by curiousComment -
Originally posted by Santo
That's a reasonable position. I would add:
When a lot of their customers are forum people, and they start offering that kind of players 50 & 100% bonuses, I have to question their ability to survive even more and am even more cautious.Comment -
Its good to hear that Johnny is going to stand in there and get this turned straight.
When you are a new book and things dont go as planned it can be real tough. Someone brought up the run on Pinnacle when they were new. It turned out to be the best marketing campaign ever. Players requested their money and bam! Pinny would get it to them with a 5 min Neteller.Comment -
What did Jay mean by these comments?Originally posted by jay88
"I have to admit that we have a huge problem in this company. Some of the employees have no idea what customer satisfaction is. They are great in other aspects but when it comes to talking to a customer they don't have that magic touch and don't really know how to explain themselves."
Who was he talking about? Are those people gone or did they win the internal battle against Jay?
Are you kidding me? Is that what this was all over, 10 dimes? It took four days to get $10,000 into Neteller??? Four days and you still need another 24-48 hours to pay out the others???Originally posted by jay88
In business since 1999 and you don't have a strong enough relationship with anyone else in the business to hand them $10,000 either by direct bank transfer, cash, or your word and have them transfer $10,000 from their Neteller to yours???
Anyone who plays with you folks needs their head examined. Four days to get $10,000 to Neteller, unbelievable. What a joke!Comment -
Wow! That is probably the lowest figure I have ever seen for a slow-pay run. We have several players that we are tracking payouts on. But it does seem incredible that all this is over such a tiny amount.Are you kidding me? Is that what this was all over, 10 dimes? It took four days to get $10,000 into Neteller??? Four days and you still need another 24-48 hours to pay out the others???Comment -
All I can say is that Raiders used to rip on Jay incessantly and apparently he was right all along.Comment -
Raiders needs not to be banned. Let him back!!Comment -
That's not strictly true.Originally posted by isetcap
Following the story on here, it seems that raiders send jay88 an email offering him an advertisment spot on his "website". For whatever reason, jay88 didn't get back to raiders as quickly as he wanted. Maybe he didn't have access to his email. Maybe he didn't share raiders' warped thinking that a spot on The Fag Zone was the equivalent to a 500 square foot billboard at Times Square. Maybe he just thought that raiders was a scummy internet tout that he wanted nothing to do with.
So, raiders then started a campaign of negative posting against BoS presumably either to extort money or punish them for not wanting to be associated with such a lame website.
But I'll give you one thing - raiders sure knows how to spot a scam book. He ends up touting for most of them.Last edited by tacomax; 01-19-06, 12:48 AM.Originally posted by pags11Originally posted by BuddyBearOriginally posted by curiousComment -
I think that is a very accurate history lesson Taco.
BAUSComment -
what does shill mean???Comment -
Promoting a book, service, etc...Originally posted by imgv94Comment -
Well thats shilling.Originally posted by onlòóker
A shill is the person doing it.Comment -
That sounds too generic and clean to me. I think you have to go a little further to properly define "shill."Originally posted by onlòóker
To me, but the term "shill" implies deception and dishonesty. Shills like Raiders and AK (and many others) typically tell a rosy (dishonest) story about high-risk sportsbooks they have a personal financial interest in, hoping to con people into feeling they are safer than they really are.Comment -
BetOnStars(SBR rating D-) Promising payments to some players and paying smaller players. Public pressure helping to accelerate payment plans from troubled BetOnStars.
One player reports to SBR:
"I spoke with the owner of BetonStars - Johnny. He told me that he had not been properly informed of the coversations I had had with Jay, and that he would personally put an end to this problem. I am taking his promise at face value.
He assured me that I would be paid out entirely by this coming Monday - $X,XXX this Friday and the remainder on Monday...."
BetOnStars manager known as "Jay" has said to be "out". SBR sources say he has left the country.Comment -
BetOnStars(SBR rating D-) confirms the SBR report that popular lead man, Jay, has been terminated. BetOnStars admits making mistakes but vows to clear up all slow pays.
Ownership writes SBR:
You guys do not make it easy but I do appreciate the pressure because you guys watch each others backs. I respect that. I am here and I am rock solid. All I have is my word. I thank all of you for all comments good or bad. The truth is our best weapon as well as what we do to fix these kinds of problems. I look after my players and will NEVER fail to pay someone...
JOhnnyComment -
I kind of like this guy. I mean its easy to come out roberto-style and start blaming everyone else. But this guy has checked his ego and rolled up his sleeves and is taking all calls. Good start. Now for the all important follow though.You guys do not make it easy but I do appreciate the pressure because you guys watch each others backs. I respect that. I am here and I am rock solid. All I have is my word. I thank all of you for all comments good or bad. The truth is our best weapon as well as what we do to fix these kinds of problems. I look after my players and will NEVER fail to pay someone...
JOhnnyComment -
SBR John?? Let's say just for example, betonstars survived and did great
biz for lets say 2 years what would there rating be in 2 years from now?
And were any of the A to A+ sportsbooks ever rated below D?Comment -
Originally posted by tacomax
Oh you're definitely right, Taco. I know that for sure, but even still, Raiders called him out correctly. You used to ride Raiders pretty hard. Man, that was entertaining! The first day I joined here I read some thread about how he was going to "crack your shell" for something you said to him. I am laughing right now just thinking about that. I couldn't wait to irritate him and get a little of that treatment but it turned out that I often agreed with things he was saying. Of course he wasn't doing a lot of shilling around that time...I would definitely like to see him back, but only if you promise to remain his primary antagonist. Come on guys let's get this guy back. His angle makes this place better.Comment -
BRING RAIDERS BACK!! This site is feeling dead the last week or so. We
need something 2 liven it up!!Comment -
Last question first; No. Not that I can remember.SBR John?? Let's say just for example, betonstars survived and did great
biz for lets say 2 years what would there rating be in 2 years from now?
And were any of the A to A+ sportsbooks ever rated below D?
BetOnStars could certainly be an A- or A or even A+ book in 2 years. That's up to them. It would take tremendous resources and training. Its certainly no easy task. We have Mansion nearing year two and they are a solid B so yes it can be done.Comment -
I read the post by Johnny and I didn't see anywhere that Jay was, and I quote "Terminated". Jay quit, he wasn't terminated. Is there any truth on here that doesn't have an SBR twist on it?
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Originally posted by IllusionBetOnStars(SBR rating D-) confirms the SBR report that popular lead man, Jay, has been terminated. BetOnStars admits making mistakes but vows to clear up all slow pays.
Ownership writes SBR:
You guys do not make it easy but I do appreciate the pressure because you guys watch each others backs. I respect that. I am here and I am rock solid. All I have is my word. I thank all of you for all comments good or bad. The truth is our best weapon as well as what we do to fix these kinds of problems. I look after my players and will NEVER fail to pay someone...
JOhnnyComment -
"terminated" as in he no longer longer works there. How about the first SBR report before anyone knew...does it meet your level of word association that seems so important?BetOnStars manager known as "Jay" has said to be "out". SBR sources say he has left the country.Comment -
You are doing a great job imo John, cause the safety of the players comes first. Not the bookies and their money, like at several other "watchdog" sites. Ignore the shills and forum/gambling addicts, who like the shady promoters for the fun they deliver. Those peeps need to add something new to their life, and fast ^^
One would have to be blind to not see, that Bet on Stars is totally broke. Also i dont think that Jay88 would just leave "to find something new in his life". Spin spin spin...
So whats the correct rating for them imo? D- or F+, as it is.
After they paid everyone prolly D-Comment -
BetOnStars have made some mistakes (This they have freely admitted) but they do seem to be really trying to put things right.
I think they should be given a chance, after all less then 2.5 years ago BoDog was only rated a D+ book & look where they are now
Im not saying that BetOnStars will become the next BoDog but that they have the potential to MAYBE become a decently rated sportsbook.Comment -
mate do you understand what a watchdog site has to do?
SBR is not here to give bookies a chance (they can give that to themselves), its here to warn/advice/help players.
So what should they do, act like BoS is a decent choice to play at now? Some of you guys cant be serious, really lol...sillyComment
