BetOnStars - Get out now!

**SBR_John** · 01-19-06, 10:11 AM

Thats a good point Boots.

These new books need to rethink hiring a slippery promoter that simply pulls in undesireable forum bonus hunters. I can tell you that's not how BoDog did it. BetOnStars could be a good book some day. They could use some help with marketing.

**jay88** · 01-19-06, 11:30 AM

Guys,

About Jay he was not terminated. He wanted to get out of the business period. We are great friends and have great respect for each other. He is a very talented person and I dont want to make it seem like this guy did anything bad. As for the comment about slippery lets leave that aside. If I or my company were slippery I would not come and post. We will become a big book not because we advertise with everyone or try to get people on our side. We will grow because we keep our word, in this business that is almost impossible to find.

When other books were going broke who took some of their players and then and bailed them out? We did. We are just that kind of a group, we actually give a sh$# about our players. You and I both know when you get too big you forget about the players and they just become account numbers. As for our marketing we are getting a replacement. We are looking at different strategies, and while I have been told by everyone in this industry to send all forums to hell, I can only say to myself if these places did not exist how the hell would anyone know what the hell is going on?

Johnny

**wmublows** · 01-19-06, 01:21 PM

John, I didn't want to get into a literary debate of the word usage of termineated. I was just making a point that terminated was never even used in that post by Johnny. Using the word terminated sounds like he was fired. Thats all I was getting at. Just curious, but who is the slippery promotor you are reffering to?

Originally posted by SBR_John

Thats a good point Boots.

These new books need to rethink hiring a slippery promoter that simply pulls in undesireable forum bonus hunters. I can tell you that's not how BoDog did it. BetOnStars could be a good book some day. They could use some help with marketing.

**natrass** · 01-19-06, 01:40 PM

Yes, who is this "slippery promoter"?

I think the answer is elementary. What is meant by promoter. Well, someone who 'promotes' the book. And where would such a person apply there trade ... well, where they could get noticed and promote ... like forums. And what could slippery mean ... perhaps someone who misrepresents facts ... effectively a shill.

So, we a loooking for a shaven headed shill who is very active on the forums in promoting dodgy books.

I think there is only one suspect.

Case closed.

**wmublows** · 01-19-06, 01:51 PM

the shaven head gave it away.

**marc** · 01-19-06, 04:51 PM

Johnny,

If you are really interested in growing your business, and if you wnat forum players, and if you wnat stars to ahve good press in the forums, here is my suggestion to you. FInd a poster player's respect, and hire that player as a part time consultant. Not to be a apid schill, but to tell youwhat you are doing right and what you are doing wrong.

For instance, players complained that they had problems logigng into your site. Rtaher than acknowledging the problem and fix it, the repsonse was that you high tech security software was preventing players who had spyware from logging in. THat type of reposnse made your book look foolish. There were other responses like that. Your software really only works well with IE and even than it just doens't work well. THe issues with your book goes beyond the occasional dry neteller.

I think you really need to consider hiring someone who can give you an experienced players perspective on what you need to do to both improve your book and your image. Good luck

**tacomax** · 01-19-06, 05:14 PM

Originally posted by marc

FInd a poster player's respect, and hire that player as a part time consultant. Not to be a apid schill, but to tell youwhat you are doing right and what you are doing wrong.

Johnny - to remove any doubt in your mind, I don't think marc was referring to AK.

**SBR_John** · 01-19-06, 05:28 PM

Yea I like Jay.

If he wants to stay in the business and wants some help, I'd be glad to try to help. He can call or write.

**isetcap** · 01-19-06, 05:55 PM

I think if you sat Jay down with a certified psychologist, the doctor would diagnose him as a pathological liar after about 5 minutes of conversation.

**quarm_** · 01-19-06, 06:49 PM

i wouldnt go that far isetcap, but its a bad time to play at BoS now for sure...thats all SBR is saying...
lets see what the future brings for that book.
Btw i think the first statement from Johnny is a horrible post from a bookie manager, he shouldnt use words like bullshit lol

**imgv94** · 01-19-06, 06:50 PM

quarm

**quarm_** · 01-19-06, 07:00 PM

thats extremely new and funny imgv, how about keeping your gay fantasies in the private section?

**isetcap** · 01-19-06, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by quarm_

i think the first statement from Johnny is a horrible post from a bookie manager, he shouldnt use words like bullshit lol

I agree. His posts do not ease my mind at all. I'm looking for someone with a sense of professionalism if he wants to be head of a big player in the industry.

**raiders72001** · 01-19-06, 10:34 PM

Johnny,

I've been on you guys since day 1. I told Jay that I didn't want your advertising because I didn't believe in your business model. You were giving away 100% bonuses and bailing out everyone without doing a background check.

I have nothing against Jay and think he is a good guy but you guys don't have any idea what your are doing as far as post up goes yet.

I told Jay that your Neteller was dry and he said the reason a payout wasn't processed is because someone at Betonstars had to approve it. Your Neteller was dry.

I don't care if you continue 100% bonuses and bailout guys that you shouldn't but if you are going to do this you must pay players on request.

It's going to take you guys some time to recover because of these mistakes. Start paying players promptly and you guys will be OK down the road.

**imgv94** · 01-19-06, 10:38 PM

ALRIGHT!!!!!! raiders is back watch out!!! whats up bro!!

**raiders72001** · 01-19-06, 10:41 PM

How you been Img? Let's keep these frauds in check.

**imgv94** · 01-19-06, 10:46 PM

Hell yeah brother!! F them others fools!!! I been doing good still up
a bunch a units. Taco fails to mention that?

**natrass** · 01-20-06, 12:04 AM

You two are like twins!!

**raiders72001** · 01-20-06, 12:07 AM

Natrass- You pick on my twin again and I'm not giving you plays from my new soccer source. This is your final warning.

BOStars Johnny- What's the status of the players that have asked for payouts and haven't received their money yet?

**natrass** · 01-20-06, 12:25 AM

raiders, i get them from the rx anyway. Dont need a middle man, sorry.

When was I picking on your twin anyway??

**tacomax** · 01-20-06, 02:37 AM

Originally posted by natrass

raiders, i get them from the rx anyway. Dont need a middle man, sorry.

**imgv94** · 01-20-06, 02:43 AM

Originally posted by tacomax

See what I am talkin about!!!

**raiders72001** · 01-20-06, 02:53 AM

Natrass- How's soccer treating you?

**kennyruss** · 01-20-06, 05:43 AM

Originally posted by isetcap

I think if you sat Jay down with a certified psychologist, the doctor would diagnose him as a pathological liar after about 5 minutes of conversation.

Johnny has phoned me twice... on both occasions I found him to be polite and professional in his manner. He made two promises and within 45mins both were delivered. I have also found him to be helpful on live chat, which I assume is the same person.

Whether I have enough confidence to redeposit after losing my remaining balance...I dunno.. time will tell

Kenny

**jay88** · 01-21-06, 11:34 AM

Hey guys,

Thanks for the feedback on bettering the book. I will be making some new hires and shuffles to improve not only our marketing but also our internal workings. These businesses sometimes take a bit to smooth out. As someone pointed out as long as we pay promptly we will get back on track.

JOhnny

**Doug** · 01-21-06, 06:12 PM

Maybe Jay88's handle should be retired in favor of Johnny or something ?

**natrass** · 01-22-06, 12:27 AM

Yeah, it looks like you wiped him out and took his possessions.

Anyone else thinks its strange that first of all Jay is very quiet, then apparently he is 'ill' and now he has 'gone away for a while'. Personally, I fear the worst.

**tacomax** · 01-22-06, 01:22 AM

I fear that he's gone the way of the whale.

**Johnny W** · 01-22-06, 06:47 PM

Hey guys,

I am now using my own handle. Sitting at the Dallas airport watching the steelers put a beating on here. Its about time these guys go to the show. I will be out of town until this coming saturday but any questions I will be here to answer.

Johnny

**natrass** · 01-23-06, 12:08 AM

Originally posted by tacomax

I fear that he's gone the way of the whale.

Yes, I fear you might be right.

Though, hopefully, jay wasnt covered in jelly, stuck in a net and dragged behind a boat up a river.

But theres some sick minds out there.

**natrass** · 01-23-06, 12:14 AM

Originally posted by raiders72001

Natrass- How's soccer treating you?

Not bad Raiders .. could be better, could be worse. Mainly spend my time bonus abusing now though.