Phil from RichCoastsports and Mickey from BetCris is giving AK the shaft

[AK]

Yes the owner of bonus man!!!!

Im owed a large amount of money from phil at richcoastsports and have screen shots to prove this. Mickey has not emailed me back minus the numerous attempts on getting in touch with him regarding the sheet I have with richcoastsports and the transfering of funds owed from phil to cris plus my sheet players.

This is a 5 digit figure at the moment but could explode into a 6 digit if not corrected within the next few months. The trip to Toronto must be real good for phil today.

MR SOLID
the bonus man king
AK


Jesus whats up with these "Top legendary" books going to crap recently

[Chuck Sims]

This explains your non-stop shilling of a questionable, high risk sportsbook. I believe CRIS bailed out richcoastsports, and you're not part of the deal.

[tacomax]

Jesus whats up with these "Top legendary" books going to crap recently

I don't think RCS was ever a "top legendary" book. At All. Ever.

However I'm sure that some people will call it sweet justice for someone who still continues to send players to SunsetSports when they are a proven scam outfit.

[bigboydan]

AK, If it was truely part of the agreement/deal. Then yes, you do deserve compansation. If it wasn't, then your just SOL i guess i'm sorry to say

[Dave]

I'm sorry AK, I have met Mickey many times and I have to say he seems like the fairest straight shooter I have met in the business. If he is giving you the shaft I got to say he must have a good reason.

Here is what I never really understood about your 'Model'.
You promote to 'Bonus Whores', by definition these guys are looking to rollover and cash out. Your guys are either scamming or middling or whatever and where does the profit come in? No to mention you openly admit that you 'Sent player to their doom'. You have no credibility in this industry man, NONE.

How could you have 50k owed to you on a sheet from RCS? Thats impossible. Your site and RCS site has not been around long enough for your shilling to have gotten you enough post-up players to generate that kind of coin.

And I am sorry to say that if you did generate enough traffic to get stiffed for 50k then you deserve it, and I hope you learned a valuable lesson.
DON'T FUQ WITH THE PLAYERS
and
DON"T DEAL WITH SHIT BOOKS

[Mudcat]

I'd need someone to explain to me the purpose of this thread. You would gladly have sent every single person who might read this thread to Rich Coast Sports - in fact you lied without conscience trying like hell to make that happen.

I can't imagine you would be dense enough to expect any sympathy or support.

WTF?

I thought SBR decided to ban scammers.

[drunkguy]

AK, I hope you get scammed out of every dollar you think you are owed

then you will know what it feeels like since you have scammed people out of money repeatedly

[pags11]

in my dealings with Mickey from Cris, he has been nothing but professional...

[slacker00]

Who's dick did AK have to suck to get back into SBR? I'm sick of these bs threads.

[SBR_John]

Thanks to Chuck and everyone else that responded to this typical AK stuff. AK is young and has made/still makes mistakes. Maybe he will listen to you guys, he should. He doesnt listen to me.

[natrass]

He doesnt listen to me either John. Lord knows Ive tried. Im sick of the sleepless nights worrying to be honest.

[BAUS]

AK, how can you possibly expect sympathy?

Agree with Dave's post. There is no way a minor-league site like yours could have that many post up players. It's unreal sometimes the stuff you say.

I've asked this before, is this the renowed "Phil The Stiff" former owner of PTS?

BAUS

[tacomax]

Who's dick did AK have to suck to get back into SBR? I'm sick of these bs threads.

He admitted his shilling and lying over the BetCris "purchase" of RCS. Admitting his guilt bought his ticket back here. Raiders hasn't admitted his guilt, speaking perpetual bullshit seems to be a medical problem there, so he's still banned.

[TheRealAK]

Thanks to Chuck and everyone else that responded to this typical AK stuff. AK is young and has made/still makes mistakes. Maybe he will listen to you guys, he should. He doesnt listen to me.

Remember that bud?

Looks like the books involved have started to pay back whats owed.

just over 10 dimes to go.

Only problem is they are making my bets on heavy lines.

[TheRealAK]

sorry here are the photos.

[JoshW]

AK this is affiliate money right? CRIS is under no obligation to bail out anyone even if they had a balance if they chose not to. In this case isn't even player balance.

[TheRealAK]

AK this is affiliate money right? CRIS is under no obligation to bail out anyone even if they had a balance if they chose not to. In this case isn't even player balance.

laker, NO this is not over affiliate money that is a totally different issue about non payment.

I had/have a very large account balance at RichCoastSports. Been what almost a year? know one will ever see me quit until I get the money thats owed. Thats the risk arbitrage guys like myself take when scalping.. You lose at pinnacle and get stuck in a book not so solid its a pain to get your money.

BTW-- I beleive any book that buys out any book needs to be responsible for the players affiliate sheet sent to that praticular book. If Vip sold to bozo sports and took along the vip players sbr has been getting compensated for years dont you feal bozo has to pay you for new commision that will be made on them players?

[bookie]

I'm with Mudcat. What in the world is going on in this guy's head? His scam blows up and he brings in a bunch of screen shots to show its inner workings and he somehow thinks this is going to play to his benefit? Aside from it being sad, it's weird.

[Santo]

What are the screen shots supposed to prove?

[SBR_John]

I thought CRIS DID bailout RichCoast and the infamous seeded accounts. Is the depsosit screen shot into some other book relative to CRIS paying the RichCoast players?

You need to talk to Roberto and RPM. If they can get CRIS to pay ghosts then surly they can help get you paid.

[TheRealAK]

I thought CRIS DID bailout RichCoast and the infamous seeded accounts. Is the depsosit screen shot into some other book relative to CRIS paying the RichCoast players?

You need to talk to Roberto and RPM. If they can get CRIS to pay ghosts then surly they can help get you paid.

Ya one would think so...

Ron from Richcoastsports is the marketing operating manager at bet7moons.. I assumed Ron put the money in my account from the backend since he is obviusly good at hiding players. I spoke with the true owner today after I phone jammed them for 2 hours straight and he agreed he will get the parties involved to pay.. It has been a long hard fight by myself with no sbr assistance but well worth the waite.. I can handle my own.

AK

[TheRealAK]

But laker brought up a good point I think we should discuse regarding affiliate accounts/sheets etc..

Should books that buy out other books have to transfer over there affiliate accounts to there affiliate program? I dont see why not.. The players we work hard to get start lossing money with that new book then they should be 100% liable in getting them players added to there "new" affiliate account. They would not have then players if not for us watchdogs or website owners. For Example I had to fight tooth and nail to get my mvpsportsbook players added to betonsports affiliate sheet.. They bought mvp out and should be liable in the affiliate side as well of mvp. Obviously the sheets are now worthless with the situation that happend with bos but I think we both agree john even if you dont want to admit it they need to compensate or have the players added to there affiliate program.

[SBR_John]

Yea I dont know. Its a risk you take. If XYZ Book pays you to advertise them and they go belly up and White Horse Book comes in and picks up the pieces are they obligated to pay you for any unpaid advertising?? Probably not and that’s your answer. An affiliate is nothing more than a at-large or independent marketer. Your agreement is with the company, it fails then you as a marketer are finished just like all the other vendors. The bailout book is not liable to pay the defunct book's phone bill any more than they have to pay for the broke book's marketing expenses. Its hard, but thats business.

[Dr.Phil]

that is why i am the real phil

[TheRealAK]

Yea I dont know. Its a risk you take. If XYZ Book pays you to advertise them and they go belly up and White Horse Book comes in and picks up the pieces are they obligated to pay you for any unpaid advertising?? Probably not and that’s your answer. An affiliate is nothing more than a at-large or independent marketer. Your agreement is with the company, it fails then you as a marketer are finished just like all the other vendors. The bailout book is not liable to pay the defunct book's phone bill any more than they have to pay for the broke book's marketing expenses. Its hard, but thats business.

But if they dont go belly up?? Its not really you failing.. I sorta understand what you explained but it sorta of a spin job.. You cant tell me you woudnt feel robbed if a book like vip sold and they cut your affiliate and players and any future commission was cut from you from the new sportsbook.. You should be 100% entitled to them new players they get at that book. If they cut you the book that is selling atleast should show some class and make sure your compensated before or after the sell if the new company decides choose not to carry your sheet. lets face it, a majority of players at books is broke down to several watchdogs and we are the back bone for most companies. One book in praticular sticks out, betwwts. I know a guy that has sent 18% of betcorps entire playerlist there making the comany Millions a year.

Gambling website gurus like myself that do not bring this type of action work hard for there players and alot of sweet is put in getting them players.. Selling for a quick buck showing a nice player count to a larger sportsbook is a shameful way to do business unless they kickback there backbone.

It's a cut throat industry.

[SBR_John]

The two you mentioned are good examples. VIP bought Nine and I think I'm correct that they honored all agreements. WWTS bought Cybersportsbook and honored all marketing and affiliate deals. But are we talking about buy-outs? Because if we are, I agree with you, all marketing deals should be honored. I've never heard of one that wasnt.

But I was not talking about a buy-out or purchase and merger. I'm talking about a bailout whereby a broke book crawls to a strong book and the strong book offers the players relief.

And with that, I think we are on the same page.

So was RichCoast a buy-out or a bailout? I know what you will argue but it won't hold. RCS was dead and had stopped making payouts...they were broke.

The trick Mr Real is not to send players to these broke crap books as a marketer. Because when the music stops, the affiliate marketer is left holding a rather soggy vienna sausage.

[tacomax]

I sorta understand what you explained but it sorta of a spin job..

Alan "King of the Shills" Karre and bullshitter extraordinaire is accusing SBR of spinning. I've heard it all now.

[TheRealAK]

The two you mentioned are good examples. VIP bought Nine and I think I'm correct that they honored all agreements. WWTS bought Cybersportsbook and honored all marketing and affiliate deals. But are we talking about buy-outs? Because if we are, I agree with you, all marketing deals should be honored. I've never heard of one that wasnt.

But I was not talking about a buy-out or purchase and merger. I'm talking about a bailout whereby a broke book crawls to a strong book and the strong book offers the players relief.

And with that, I think we are on the same page.

So was RichCoast a buy-out or a bailout? I know what you will argue but it won't hold. RCS was dead and had stopped making payouts...they were broke.

The trick Mr Real is not to send players to these broke crap books as a marketer. Because when the music stops, the affiliate marketer is left holding a rather soggy vienna sausage.

Well the richcoastsports deal was unfortunate , they had money they choose to steal from players and Cris afterwords. Sad thing is the 3 behind this still have mickey picking up there lunch tabs on occasion.

BTW

soggy vienna sausage.

thats a good one.

Possibly just dalton recently has been a reject and not to make sure his affiliate packages were carried over to BOS. Tooth and Nail go together once in awhile.

[SBR_John]

Dalton did not honor his affiliate deals when he was aquired by BoS??? Lot of untrustworthy folks in this business.

The Mick might be buying them lunch but I think he has fallen for his last seeded bailout deal. I know RCS was costly for you but at least you did some good by exposing Tow. Since that time, no other book has been burned by seeded bailouts.

[TheRealAK]

Dalton did not honor his affiliate deals when he was aquired by BoS??? Lot of untrustworthy folks in this business.

No they didnt offer it you had to fight like hell to get anything... Daltons affiliate program always paid like clockwork, the day they moved over was the day there affiliate login was changed to "join the affiliate program soon" Emails and calls for months straight went unheard and finally they started to give me credit for only a few of the players I had with bhb,vwager, and mvp and was nothing close to what I was making monthly from them before. I always liked Dalton and received several personal emails from him thanking me for bring him clients etc After they "sold, moved whatever" my opinion of him went south.

[pags11]

AK's aloud to post on here again?...

[tacomax]

Usually I don't like to hear of people getting stiffed. But with AK, I make an exception.

[diamond]

Usually I don't like to hear of people getting stiffed. But with AK, I make an exception.

[magnavox]

AK's aloud to post on here again?...

Wasn't it you, who called yourself 'an english major' recently?

[tacomax]